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00:02:11,733\n所謂的醫療的科技公司提供許多的裝備來做一種實驗的場所我希望將來能夠給我們的老榮民更多這方面的照顧減少照顧人力的負擔另外增加他們的安全這是我最想做的也覺得還沒有完成的\n\n7\n00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:37,873\n那這個部分我相信後續還有要即將接任的主委如果您特別再跟他交接一下您再交代一下我相信其實只要是對的事情大家都願意再把它持續的做好或者給予更多的照顧可是另外還有一個就是剛剛有提到的對於上校子女教育的補助的部分\n\n8\n00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:43,754\n因為其實就整個上校只佔10%那你看這一次教育部一說要補助一些教育經費的時候錢馬上就有了可是對於我們這個長期以來在軍中服役這麼為國家付出的我們卻對他斤斤計較其實剛剛也提到我們不能為了預算好像多\n\n9\n00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:10,141\n要支出一點結果就把這個上校的部分就把它砍掉了所以就這個部分主委你有什麼樣的看法我們來據理力爭好不好因為就上校如果到上校他子女還在就學其實是年紀比較大一點其實才結婚才成家或者才有小孩那其實對他的來包括我們現在的年金改革以後其實對他們也是造成了一些有一些損害\n\n10\n00:03:30,945 --> 00:03:31,385\n謝謝委員提出這個問題這問題在我講這個事情之前是我的痛\n\n11\n00:03:56,523 --> 00:04:22,766\n為什麼一個上校負責國家演訓中間最重要的指揮職退休以後子女沒有受到國家的照顧後來我跟人事總處我們的人也下去會談很多次發現他們並不是非常的反軍但是我在想都是孩子嘛都是國家未來的主人公嘛\n\n12\n00:04:23,752 --> 00:04:26,694\n其實主委在你剛剛其實包括王定宇委員也有提到了其實大家都發現到這是非常不公平的當你政府千億千億的這樣一直在編預算不斷不斷的給很多很多\n\n13\n00:04:48,729 --> 00:04:48,929\n是的,謝謝委員\n\n14\n00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:29,710\n接下來就是我們還要請教的是本席辦公室有查詢退輔會在提供容家編制的容家人員編制的資料發現容家在藥事跟護理人員的編制上面其實還有很多的護士跟藥劑生對不對\n\n15\n00:05:32,031 --> 00:05:40,463\n那護士跟護理師還有藥劑生跟藥師其實他們在我們農家裡面他們有什麼樣的差異要不要簡單說明一下\n\n16\n00:05:45,353 --> 00:06:11,451\n是包馬委員我是人事處處長沒關係簡單說明那因為那個藥師跟藥劑師是先經過那個資格考我知道他們是考試的啦我說他們在農家裡面有什麼樣的差別比如說薪資比如說工作他們的差別在哪裡那當然就有差別因為基本上差別在哪裡\n\n17\n00:06:16,895 --> 00:06:35,410\n因為他的職務略等會比較高那是他領比較多錢以你們榮家現在裡面我想請教最近考試院舉辦的國考裡面護士國考在101年就停辦了也就是說在10年前就停辦了沒有護士這樣子的證照了\n\n18\n00:06:36,971 --> 00:06:58,300\n藥劑生的國考在82年就停辦了是在30年前就已經停辦了可是你的編制裡面還有這麼多藥劑生跟護士結果你任用進來以後他拿的是藥師的資格他拿的是護理師的資格可是他領的薪水是藥劑生跟護士的這樣的薪水\n\n19\n00:06:59,445 --> 00:07:05,669\n他的差別在這裡他做的工作一樣他就是薪水領得比人家低而已所以這是編制的不合理你今天如果你用的工作都是一樣像一樣是退輔會的系統在醫院裡面他還有藥劑生還有護士的編制因為有些人那時候拿的可能現在年紀比較大了可是他那時候考試的資格是護士跟藥劑生所以他持續在那個工作崗位的時候他拿的是這樣的證照\n\n20\n00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:46,307\n所以還有這樣的編制可是在有一些他已經拿了藥師或者護理師的執照的時候他領的薪水是藥師跟護理師的薪水只有我們農家還是給人家藥劑生跟護士的薪資\n\n21\n00:07:48,139 --> 00:07:49,080\n謝謝您指示出來這一個重點我們馬上回去檢討而且一定會把它修正\n\n22\n00:08:13,743 --> 00:08:14,043\n委員會把他列入交辦事項\n\n23\n00:08:41,535 --> 00:08:44,096\n謝謝主委這就是我們欣賞你的地方因為在有些該改進或者該為同仁或者該為相關的一些爭取福利的時候我覺得您是比較可以從善如流的那這個部分我們希望趕快就給我們一些進度的一個\n\n24\n00:09:03,041 --> 00:09:04,504\n結論還有報告接下來還有一個就是我們在榮民他的就醫的部分\n\n25\n00:09:17,523 --> 00:09:40,350\n主委您看我們過去其實退輔會對於榮民除了有第一類跟第二類的區分以外在就醫的部分還有分為有職業跟沒有職業的一些相關的健保費的補助沒有職業的還有沒有職業的榮民跟宜眷家戶代表他是屬於第六類那是由退輔會會有補助嗎\n\n26\n00:09:47,392 --> 00:09:48,213\n有職業的容免則需依身分別自行全額繳納\n\n27\n00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:38,629\n108年蔡總統指示核定警察消防海巡還有空勤人員他的醫療照護方案的這個措施裡面你看看他的部分負擔是全額補助不管國防部退輔會部立醫院或指相關的指定醫院所有的醫院他全部都是全額補助對於我們警察消防海巡空勤人員都是全額補助的\n\n28\n00:10:39,471 --> 00:10:43,973\n可是這個在我們自己的榮民裡面反而沒有受到這樣的照顧而且他還有分有職業的還要自己負擔我們不是一直都鼓勵說榮民他退退伍以後應該要去應該要還要繼續就職嗎這是我們照顧他的一個本質而且在我們現在尤其所有的軍人都非常的辛苦在我們的\n\n29\n00:11:05,845 --> 00:11:07,066\n報告委員,我們馬上協調國防部,該我們做的部分馬上修訂\n\n30\n00:11:26,587 --> 00:11:30,371\n我們非常認同我們所有的警察還有包括消防還有海巡還有空警人員其實他們是非常辛苦非常付出的那個\n\n31\n00:11:48,211 --> 00:11:48,371\n委員會主任委員\n\n32\n00:12:13,314 --> 00:12:13,334\n謝謝馬委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t2351\t謝謝主席麻煩請馮主委主委好主委其實因為這一次這一屆很多新的委員不過老的就只剩下剛剛王定宇委員跟我跟本席所以其實跟主委也有一段時間\n28230\t49645\t在這裡還有在很多業務上面其實都有互相的關心就在卸任在籍之前本期還是對您擔任主委的期間所帶領退輔會在各項工作上面的表現其實是深表肯定\n50706\t64271\t那也感謝你為廣大的榮民的付出尤其你是少數在蔡政府裡面敢勇敢發言或者敢說出自己想法的一個官員一個敢說實話的主官這是我比較感佩的\n69853\t71814\t我還是以榮民的照顧我為最基本我覺得現在你看科技的發達\n96630\t96710\t馬文君\n108579\t131733\t所謂的醫療的科技公司提供許多的裝備來做一種實驗的場所我希望將來能夠給我們的老榮民更多這方面的照顧減少照顧人力的負擔另外增加他們的安全這是我最想做的也覺得還沒有完成的\n133479\t157873\t那這個部分我相信後續還有要即將接任的主委如果您特別再跟他交接一下您再交代一下我相信其實只要是對的事情大家都願意再把它持續的做好或者給予更多的照顧可是另外還有一個就是剛剛有提到的對於上校子女教育的補助的部分\n158593\t163754\t因為其實就整個上校只佔10%那你看這一次教育部一說要補助一些教育經費的時候錢馬上就有了可是對於我們這個長期以來在軍中服役這麼為國家付出的我們卻對他斤斤計較其實剛剛也提到我們不能為了預算好像多\n182879\t190141\t要支出一點結果就把這個上校的部分就把它砍掉了所以就這個部分主委你有什麼樣的看法我們來據理力爭好不好因為就上校如果到上校他子女還在就學其實是年紀比較大一點其實才結婚才成家或者才有小孩那其實對他的來包括我們現在的年金改革以後其實對他們也是造成了一些有一些損害\n210945\t211385\t謝謝委員提出這個問題這問題在我講這個事情之前是我的痛\n236523\t262766\t為什麼一個上校負責國家演訓中間最重要的指揮職退休以後子女沒有受到國家的照顧後來我跟人事總處我們的人也下去會談很多次發現他們並不是非常的反軍但是我在想都是孩子嘛都是國家未來的主人公嘛\n263752\t266694\t其實主委在你剛剛其實包括王定宇委員也有提到了其實大家都發現到這是非常不公平的當你政府千億千億的這樣一直在編預算不斷不斷的給很多很多\n288729\t288929\t是的,謝謝委員\n309110\t329710\t接下來就是我們還要請教的是本席辦公室有查詢退輔會在提供容家編制的容家人員編制的資料發現容家在藥事跟護理人員的編制上面其實還有很多的護士跟藥劑生對不對\n332031\t340463\t那護士跟護理師還有藥劑生跟藥師其實他們在我們農家裡面他們有什麼樣的差異要不要簡單說明一下\n345353\t371451\t是 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簡單說明那因為那個藥師跟藥劑師是先經過那個資格考我知道他們是考試的啦我說他們在農家裡面有什麼樣的差別比如說薪資比如說工作他們的差別在哪裡那當然就有差別因為基本上差別在哪裡\n376895\t395410\t因為他的職務略等會比較高那是他領比較多錢以你們榮家現在裡面我想請教最近考試院舉辦的國考裡面護士國考在101年就停辦了也就是說在10年前就停辦了沒有護士這樣子的證照了\n396971\t418300\t藥劑生的國考在82年就停辦了是在30年前就已經停辦了可是你的編制裡面還有這麼多藥劑生跟護士結果你任用進來以後他拿的是藥師的資格他拿的是護理師的資格可是他領的薪水是藥劑生跟護士的這樣的薪水\n419445\t425669\t他的差別在這裡他做的工作一樣他就是薪水領得比人家低而已所以這是編制的不合理你今天如果你用的工作都是一樣像一樣是退輔會的系統在醫院裡面他還有藥劑生還有護士的編制因為有些人那時候拿的可能現在年紀比較大了可是他那時候考試的資格是護士跟藥劑生所以他持續在那個工作崗位的時候他拿的是這樣的證照\n449866\t466307\t所以還有這樣的編制可是在有一些他已經拿了藥師或者護理師的執照的時候他領的薪水是藥師跟護理師的薪水只有我們農家還是給人家藥劑生跟護士的薪資\n468139\t469080\t謝謝您指示出來這一個重點我們馬上回去檢討而且一定會把它修正\n493743\t494043\t委員會把他列入交辦事項\n521535\t524096\t謝謝主委這就是我們欣賞你的地方因為在有些該改進或者該為同仁或者該為相關的一些爭取福利的時候我覺得您是比較可以從善如流的那這個部分我們希望趕快就給我們一些進度的一個\n543041\t544504\t結論還有報告接下來還有一個就是我們在榮民他的就醫的部分\n557523\t580350\t主委您看我們過去其實退輔會對於榮民除了有第一類跟第二類的區分以外在就醫的部分還有分為有職業跟沒有職業的一些相關的健保費的補助沒有職業的還有沒有職業的榮民跟宜眷家戶代表他是屬於第六類那是由退輔會會有補助嗎\n587392\t588213\t有職業的容免則需依身分別自行全額繳納\n611639\t638629\t108年蔡總統指示核定警察消防海巡還有空勤人員他的醫療照護方案的這個措施裡面你看看他的部分負擔是全額補助不管國防部退輔會部立醫院或指相關的指定醫院所有的醫院他全部都是全額補助對於我們警察消防海巡空勤人員都是全額補助的\n639471\t643973\t可是這個在我們自己的榮民裡面反而沒有受到這樣的照顧而且他還有分有職業的還要自己負擔我們不是一直都鼓勵說榮民他退退伍以後應該要去應該要還要繼續就職嗎這是我們照顧他的一個本質而且在我們現在尤其所有的軍人都非常的辛苦在我們的\n665845\t667066\t報告委員,我們馬上協調國防部,該我們做的部分馬上修訂\n686587\t690371\t我們非常認同我們所有的警察還有包括消防還有海巡還有空警人員其實他們是非常辛苦非常付出的那個\n708211\t708371\t委員會主任委員\n733314\t733334\t謝謝馬委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席麻煩請馮主委主委好主委其實因為這一次這一屆很多新的委員不過老的就只剩下剛剛王定宇委員跟我跟本席所以其實跟主委也有一段時間\n在這裡還有在很多業務上面其實都有互相的關心就在卸任在籍之前本期還是對您擔任主委的期間所帶領退輔會在各項工作上面的表現其實是深表肯定\n那也感謝你為廣大的榮民的付出尤其你是少數在蔡政府裡面敢勇敢發言或者敢說出自己想法的一個官員一個敢說實話的主官這是我比較感佩的\n我還是以榮民的照顧我為最基本我覺得現在你看科技的發達\n馬文君\n所謂的醫療的科技公司提供許多的裝備來做一種實驗的場所我希望將來能夠給我們的老榮民更多這方面的照顧減少照顧人力的負擔另外增加他們的安全這是我最想做的也覺得還沒有完成的\n那這個部分我相信後續還有要即將接任的主委如果您特別再跟他交接一下您再交代一下我相信其實只要是對的事情大家都願意再把它持續的做好或者給予更多的照顧可是另外還有一個就是剛剛有提到的對於上校子女教育的補助的部分\n因為其實就整個上校只佔10%那你看這一次教育部一說要補助一些教育經費的時候錢馬上就有了可是對於我們這個長期以來在軍中服役這麼為國家付出的我們卻對他斤斤計較其實剛剛也提到我們不能為了預算好像多\n要支出一點結果就把這個上校的部分就把它砍掉了所以就這個部分主委你有什麼樣的看法我們來據理力爭好不好因為就上校如果到上校他子女還在就學其實是年紀比較大一點其實才結婚才成家或者才有小孩那其實對他的來包括我們現在的年金改革以後其實對他們也是造成了一些有一些損害\n謝謝委員提出這個問題這問題在我講這個事情之前是我的痛\n為什麼一個上校負責國家演訓中間最重要的指揮職退休以後子女沒有受到國家的照顧後來我跟人事總處我們的人也下去會談很多次發現他們並不是非常的反軍但是我在想都是孩子嘛都是國家未來的主人公嘛\n其實主委在你剛剛其實包括王定宇委員也有提到了其實大家都發現到這是非常不公平的當你政府千億千億的這樣一直在編預算不斷不斷的給很多很多\n是的,謝謝委員\n接下來就是我們還要請教的是本席辦公室有查詢退輔會在提供容家編制的容家人員編制的資料發現容家在藥事跟護理人員的編制上面其實還有很多的護士跟藥劑生對不對\n那護士跟護理師還有藥劑生跟藥師其實他們在我們農家裡面他們有什麼樣的差異要不要簡單說明一下\n是 包馬委員 我是人事處處長沒關係 簡單說明那因為那個藥師跟藥劑師是先經過那個資格考我知道他們是考試的啦我說他們在農家裡面有什麼樣的差別比如說薪資比如說工作他們的差別在哪裡那當然就有差別因為基本上差別在哪裡\n因為他的職務略等會比較高那是他領比較多錢以你們榮家現在裡面我想請教最近考試院舉辦的國考裡面護士國考在101年就停辦了也就是說在10年前就停辦了沒有護士這樣子的證照了\n藥劑生的國考在82年就停辦了是在30年前就已經停辦了可是你的編制裡面還有這麼多藥劑生跟護士結果你任用進來以後他拿的是藥師的資格他拿的是護理師的資格可是他領的薪水是藥劑生跟護士的這樣的薪水\n他的差別在這裡他做的工作一樣他就是薪水領得比人家低而已所以這是編制的不合理你今天如果你用的工作都是一樣像一樣是退輔會的系統在醫院裡面他還有藥劑生還有護士的編制因為有些人那時候拿的可能現在年紀比較大了可是他那時候考試的資格是護士跟藥劑生所以他持續在那個工作崗位的時候他拿的是這樣的證照\n所以還有這樣的編制可是在有一些他已經拿了藥師或者護理師的執照的時候他領的薪水是藥師跟護理師的薪水只有我們農家還是給人家藥劑生跟護士的薪資\n謝謝您指示出來這一個重點我們馬上回去檢討而且一定會把它修正\n委員會把他列入交辦事項\n謝謝主委這就是我們欣賞你的地方因為在有些該改進或者該為同仁或者該為相關的一些爭取福利的時候我覺得您是比較可以從善如流的那這個部分我們希望趕快就給我們一些進度的一個\n結論還有報告接下來還有一個就是我們在榮民他的就醫的部分\n主委您看我們過去其實退輔會對於榮民除了有第一類跟第二類的區分以外在就醫的部分還有分為有職業跟沒有職業的一些相關的健保費的補助沒有職業的還有沒有職業的榮民跟宜眷家戶代表他是屬於第六類那是由退輔會會有補助嗎\n有職業的容免則需依身分別自行全額繳納\n108年蔡總統指示核定警察消防海巡還有空勤人員他的醫療照護方案的這個措施裡面你看看他的部分負擔是全額補助不管國防部退輔會部立醫院或指相關的指定醫院所有的醫院他全部都是全額補助對於我們警察消防海巡空勤人員都是全額補助的\n可是這個在我們自己的榮民裡面反而沒有受到這樣的照顧而且他還有分有職業的還要自己負擔我們不是一直都鼓勵說榮民他退退伍以後應該要去應該要還要繼續就職嗎這是我們照顧他的一個本質而且在我們現在尤其所有的軍人都非常的辛苦在我們的\n報告委員,我們馬上協調國防部,該我們做的部分馬上修訂\n我們非常認同我們所有的警察還有包括消防還有海巡還有空警人員其實他們是非常辛苦非常付出的那個\n委員會主任委員\n謝謝馬委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 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