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00:02:36,926\n臺北市就是271件我們收到的臺北市文化局提供的資料是由文化部轉交過來的是753件753件裡面臺北市文化局再去進一步第一步的這個調查之後最後受理的案件數是271件所以我想請教一下從文化部收到檢舉案件到分案到地方政府這整個的流程是怎麼來進行的\n\n8\n00:02:39,025 --> 00:02:51,712\n主要是如果是資料不起還是由他們結案啦所以部分的所以案件算進去以後還是由臺北市政府來做結案所以他們那些所謂要見不起的案件其實還是會有進對所以實際上我們轉交給臺北市的是753件那經過臺北市去調查有些他認為說這個因為資料不起權結案\n\n9\n00:02:59,717 --> 00:03:15,463\n有些他認為這個資料沒有辦法再調查結案有些他認為這個其實並沒有不合理的加價他也結案所以最後受理的案件數是271件所以請教一下像我們分案給高雄市的我們分案下去是分了幾案\n\n10\n00:03:17,870 --> 00:03:33,114\n受理的是152件是,那從文化部分案下去的是幾案不好意思,我讓同仁稍微查一下手邊有沒有數字391件391件嘛好,所以我會希望你們再提供完整的這個數字因為我們會想要知道從民眾檢舉案件到最後裁罰的案件\n\n11\n00:03:38,676 --> 00:03:45,139\n這一個比例是多少因為以臺北市來說我們這樣算下來臺北市民眾檢舉的753案經過文化部初步的這個調查之後翻給臺北市文化局調查最後裁罰的是8件也就是不到1%所以我要了解各個縣市\n\n12\n00:03:55,825 --> 00:03:55,865\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員\n\n13\n00:04:24,667 --> 00:04:26,108\n例如高雄市,它是有成立打牛的專案小組\n\n14\n00:04:42,561 --> 00:05:02,689\n對,他們會有專案的方式來做執行專案文化局管機關跟這個警察機關一起共組一個專案小組那其他縣市不一定有這樣子的專案小組所以呢我是建議我們文化部因為實際上法規上路之後我們的執行層面在地方政府\n\n15\n00:05:03,249 --> 00:05:25,828\n那文化部我們是主管機關則無旁貸我們應該要來協助地方政府各縣市之間有一些做法可以來進行交流例如大家一直在講的這個只是加價轉售警察局可不可以來查依照我們文創法的修法當然可以都洽詢警察機關來協助嘛像我看這個我們高雄的左營分局\n\n16\n00:05:27,169 --> 00:05:34,295\n演唱會現場都到現場去查有沒有現場黃牛在現場兜售這個不是刑罰有沒有加價轉售也在現場查當然可以查我們法規給你們這樣法律的工具行政層面看你們如何去運用今天是不是警政署也有來現場我請警政署\n\n17\n00:05:53,976 --> 00:05:57,718\n委員好目前本署除了依據這個專法的相關規定之外\n\n18\n00:06:14,966 --> 00:06:28,683\n第10條之一的第三項行事法部分會做驚喜調查那另外在行政法令的部分我們本與行政協助的部分如果文化機關有提出要求要我們派員到現場來協助我們的派員\n\n19\n00:06:30,461 --> 00:06:41,870\n那文化機關向你們提出要求要來查我們剛講的就是說這個買票人的身份是不是本人身份進一步的查核他可能涉及到要去對他的購票時候的匯款記錄相關的資料可能需要跟銀行來調資料這部分警察局過去有沒有協助的經驗\n\n20\n00:06:52,844 --> 00:07:02,300\n有關個人資料的提供會有相關法令的規定那如果是行政法令的部分我們在行政執行法的寫入上\n\n21\n00:07:06,989 --> 00:07:31,642\n就文創法上路之後依你的了解地方政府文化局收到檢舉案件初步去查了之後發現有這個買票人確實有這樣的記錄但是進一步要去來調他後面的匯款記錄信用卡記錄等等的請求地方警察局來協助的時候有沒有協助過的案件\n\n22\n00:07:32,321 --> 00:08:01,244\n基本上文創法裡面只有第10條之一第3項是屬於刑事法那按照刑事數碼及各執法的相關規定在這個第...來這位是我們警政階來我今天不是在跟你討論法是我是討論執行層面是因為我們今天討論專案報告就是要了解你們執行成效你有沒有去了解過各地縣市政府的警察局就文創法上路之後文化局請求他們協助有沒有協助過的案件有沒有\n\n23\n00:08:01,624 --> 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有喔但是呢現在的問題是什麼有些案件警察局協助有些案件警察局不協助究竟是哪些案件要協助哪些案件不協助\n526294\t538200\t我希望我們文化部跟我們的警政署要去了解地方政府現在在實務層面整個黃牛查緝取締的流程要有一致性\n542145\t566611\t我們現在已經有法了過去因為我們法源不夠完備所以很多地方我們在模糊地帶我們現在已經有讓你們去查緝黃牛票的法有法源依據所以我不希望是一個市政府裡面有兩套標準我更不希望看見我們也不能允許是一個台灣有兩套標準有些地方政府可以查有些地方政府不能查這叫什麼法\n568971\t585326\t我們這樣沒有辦法跟民眾交代所以請文化部跟警政署就我們目前各縣市地方政府查緝黃牛票的執行狀況去進一步具體的去了解建立一套的標準可不可以做到好的好 謝謝謝謝委員好\n","txt":"本席宣布,我們在陳秀寶委員質詢完畢之後,我們就休息5分鐘。謝謝。謝謝主席,我請文化部次長。好,次長。委員好。次長好。\n台灣的黃牛猖獗黃牛票取締不易這個其實這幾年在台灣大家討論很久了所以也才去年也啟動了立法院跟文化部跟行政院一起努力來完成了文創法的修法那在修法上路之後今天這個專題報告很重要的是我們想要了解自從我們修法上路之後目前\n我國對於黃牛票取締的成效如何有沒有改善遇到哪些困難遇到這些困難我們是還需要透過持續的修法還是在行政層面我們能夠來解決這些問題所以我首先想要請教次長的是在你們的報告裡面我有看到有關於我們黃牛票在六都\n在查辦的情形因為目前我們文化部是有一個檢舉專區那當文化部這裡收到檢舉案件的時候我們是用分案的方式來轉交給地方政府來進行後面的調查嗎對 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