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00:01:07,912\n那這些退役下來的這些軍官士官那他們在去尋找工作的時候我想他們應該是很少有機會能夠進入我們剛才提到的新自備的這些公司那其實有多項媒體都有報導新自備不管是水泥啊天然氣啊石油等等這些公司都是以降官作為比較高比例的部份我這樣的理解是正確的嗎正確\n\n5\n00:01:09,255 --> 00:01:32,844\n我們現在也是這麼做的那最後我的意思是說我想請教那過去不管是陸海空這些很優秀的軍人那特別是有曾經出過國那留學過回國然後完成他們在服役的期間他們離開之後大概有多少比例就您所了解有沒有進入國防產業不管是創新產業或者是新創產業跟國防相關的這樣的比例不知道有沒有\n\n6\n00:01:34,091 --> 00:01:57,542\n這樣的比例在我們的這個中科院以及漢翔都有的但是假如說您運用美軍的資料我們這個就比他們差多了他是軍工工業跟國防跟國家政策相結合的我們不是一樣今天漢翔是一個老百姓的公司\n\n7\n00:01:58,703 --> 00:02:14,333\n今天我們要請他做一件維修研發的事情都要經過中科院國防部三方面來會合因此要用軍中剛退伍的他的專長等等的都有重新訓練的必要\n\n8\n00:02:15,965 --> 00:02:32,513\n謝謝主委所以我在講這件事情的原因是因為我想我們知道最近不管是在多個國外媒體都有提到還有一些期刊雜誌包括Politico都有在談到說希望說我們未來能夠有更多的軍事資產在台灣生產那這些生產的過程當然\n\n9\n00:02:33,733 --> 00:02:59,387\n有國防部主導的也好可是有些並不是只有武器喔那包含這些新創創新的這些重要的零組件也好或者是一些系統軍民共用的系統也好那我會覺得比較可惜就是說其實有很多優秀的你們特別是海軍也是訓練了很多人出國那在這幾個月那我們正式進入國防外交委員會那我也開始跟這些\n\n10\n00:03:00,327 --> 00:03:14,705\n退役的軍官特別是在40到60歲之間的在討論那他們有提到一個觀點他們是說希望說假設哪一天我們退輔會或者說我們國軍退下來的這些士官軍官\n\n11\n00:03:15,846 --> 00:03:31,043\n他們在民間的企業不需要由退輔會主導進去這些新自備的而是能夠進入一般的民間產業不管是在新科技、電腦、創新那這樣子的話我們的退輔的工程就能夠說是一個非常成功的一個走法不知道主委你對這樣子的看法是怎麼樣\n\n12\n00:03:31,844 --> 00:03:56,138\n報告委員我們的就學就業處就是在做這個工作而且我們的容服處是我們處點對於外面的處點跟這個外面的公司都有接觸而且他們都有績效報回來介紹了很多我們退役的官兵去就業當然這個可能我講不出來有50%但是我卻講得出來有25%以上\n\n13\n00:04:00,667 --> 00:04:22,157\n謝謝主委我是希望說這個以後未來的統計相關的資料能夠也放在相關的報告裡面那我們就可以知道說我們的基礎點在哪邊那有沒有逐年的往上提升那這樣的話我還是希望說未來其實很多將官你說他的這個年資很高但其實以現在台灣人民的這個健康的水平其實他們能夠\n\n14\n00:04:23,477 --> 00:04:23,597\n陳冠廷\n\n15\n00:04:52,259 --> 00:05:18,646\n不要把說已經退休的這個將領就當成是就完全沒有他的實際效益或者是只是作為去這些新自備的地方我認為是有很多能夠發揮的我剛剛講的是將領包含校局軍官也好包含這個士官軍官也好那不要讓他們一出來就是士官那出來的這個選項那相對較少我是認為說可以試著去開拓他的可能性比方說\n\n16\n00:05:20,106 --> 00:05:42,740\n我們的這個辦事處那他除了是服務民眾之外我們也會把一些相關的國防的一些看法來定期的請他們來諮詢請他們給我們看法那有些是在過去有在跟情報相關的那後來退休也到我們這邊來那我覺得都很好那我們就可以得到更多的資訊所以我希望說其實我們今天我們的這些助理們有沒有給我們說說轉\n\n17\n00:05:44,261 --> 00:06:10,275\n退輔會相關單位安置情形如果我們可以把它轉到那一個PowerPoint沒關係沒有沒關係那裡面就有保持股率跟安置率那比方說新興水泥新興遠隆氣體公司那持股率是40%安置率是50%有些持股率是39%那安置率是31%那本來我們是想說那我們持股率應該要跟安置率一樣高啊那最好是越高越好這樣安置的更多可是我後來想一想不見得是正確的這個\n\n18\n00:06:12,156 --> 00:06:31,969\n不見得要只想著什麼安置或許他們有很多潛力我們還沒有去探索到的我們是可以去努力的方向那再來我想提到剛才主委有提到AI科技智能相關的希望未來更多來去照顧照養我們的這些農民朋友我除了這個部分還是想要再強調這個國防創新管道這個Pipeline這個是\n\n19\n00:06:36,772 --> 00:07:04,402\n這個在美國的近四五年不斷的有在提到這個部分那意思就是說在國防創新的這個部分當中退伍的軍官他們一退役之後進入這些科技產業他們能夠扮演的角色其實是很大的因為大家知道我們現在面臨的挑戰也不是只有只有軍購買自己軍備而已不是國防就是入海空而已金融戰科技戰法律戰那其實國防部還要包含這個法律專精的這些\n\n20\n00:07:05,622 --> 00:07:28,691\n軍事軍方那跟一般民間的律師又不同嘛因為他不知道這裡面的提那所以說未來如果說這些小型創新的產業剛才提到剛才幾位委員都有提到你們有出出國嗎去美國來交友我們說實質內容是什麼我們不問這麼空泛的問題我們甚至可以說這一些過去退役的軍官這些將領在美國的退役的軍官將領他們現在在做什麼\n\n21\n00:07:29,551 --> 00:07:38,174\n我們這些退換交易我們現在能做什麼那這些產業是不是能夠連結在一起我們是不是能夠把我們的產業鏈打入美國的市場這些都是可以的\n\n22\n00:07:39,726 --> 00:08:01,811\n主委要說什麼?沒有說什麼。我覺得您講的方向都是正確的。謝謝主委。以台中地區來講,其實有很多機密機械產業,這些產業他們做得很好,他們甚至跨入一些航太的市場。比如說嘉義有一些產業是直接進入特斯拉的產業,可是這些產業其實跟軍事相關是有相關的。\n\n23\n00:08:02,791 --> 00:08:23,903\n那這一些我們剛才講到將官也好你們曾經有派駐到國外去的他們可以作為這些民營純民營企業很好的公司顧問他們就不必再心自備他們也不必說就會被立法委員們諮詢說你們是什麼肥貓嗎什麼的不必啊因為他們有能力啊那這些過去我看不管是我們\n\n24\n00:08:25,384 --> 00:08:40,549\n國防部送出去海軍陸軍這些官校的我看到有些還進入到最好的甚至去哈佛大學拿到電腦做事的都有那過去當然就不用什麼西點軍像這些都是很好的這些軍人那進入體制之後有些可能是有些可能不是我們不管\n\n25\n00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,141\n今天大概是想要請教這個主委未來這個方向不知道可不可以納入國防創新產業這些跟這些國防工業相關的可以納入你們的這個統計標準裡面還有一個績效的指標\n\n26\n00:09:10,749 --> 00:09:26,540\n報告委員,這幾年我們在您提醒我們的思想中間,我們已經有很大的進步,比如說國機國造、國艦國造,造就了很多我們軍方的人才能夠進去幫忙。\n\n27\n00:09:28,581 --> 00:09:28,621\n陳冠廷\n\n28\n00:09:58,581 --> 00:09:58,621\n陳冠廷\n\n29\n00:10:27,688 --> 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業剛才提到剛才幾位委員都有提到你們有出出國嗎去美國來交友我們說實質內容是什麼我們不問這麼空泛的問題我們甚至可以說這一些過去退役的軍官這些將領在美國的退役的軍官將領他們現在在做什麼\n我們這些退換交易我們現在能做什麼那這些產業是不是能夠連結在一起我們是不是能夠把我們的產業鏈打入美國的市場這些都是可以的\n主委要說什麼?沒有說什麼。我覺得您講的方向都是正確的。謝謝主委。以台中地區來講,其實有很多機密機械產業,這些產業他們做得很好,他們甚至跨入一些航太的市場。比如說嘉義有一些產業是直接進入特斯拉的產業,可是這些產業其實跟軍事相關是有相關的。\n那這一些我們剛才講到將官也好你們曾經有派駐到國外去的他們可以作為這些民營純民營企業很好的公司顧問他們就不必再心自備他們也不必說就會被立法委員們諮詢說你們是什麼肥貓嗎什麼的不必啊因為他們有能力啊那這些過去我看不管是我們\n國防部送出去海軍陸軍這些官校的我看到有些還進入到最好的甚至去哈佛大學拿到電腦做事的都有那過去當然就不用什麼西點軍像這些都是很好的這些軍人那進入體制之後有些可能是有些可能不是我們不管\n今天大概是想要請教這個主委未來這個方向不知道可不可以納入國防創新產業這些跟這些國防工業相關的可以納入你們的這個統計標準裡面還有一個績效的指標\n報告委員,這幾年我們在您提醒我們的思想中間,我們已經有很大的進步,比如說國機國造、國艦國造,造就了很多我們軍方的人才能夠進去幫忙。\n陳冠廷\n陳冠廷\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.771\n大家好我們請主委請鳳主委\n\n00:09.346 --> 00:30.846\n委員早安主委早安所以我看我們的這一個主要的很多人都說我們退輔會相關的事業那都是以新自備的為主那新自備為主的話包含這個天然氣啊瓦斯啊等等那以前大概是比較多人說是比較偏向特許的產業那我今天想要請教一下說退伍軍人\n\n00:31.587 --> 00:42.473\n我們以前都說老農民那現在其實青壯農民更多至少在我們的服務處在家業的服務處基本上45%是農民那都是在30幾歲左右到40多歲的\n\n00:44.178 --> 01:07.912\n那這些退役下來的這些軍官士官那他們在去尋找工作的時候我想他們應該是很少有機會能夠進入我們剛才提到的新自備的這些公司那其實有多項媒體都有報導新自備不管是水泥啊天然氣啊石油等等這些公司都是以降官作為比較高比例的部份我這樣的理解是正確的嗎正確\n\n01:09.255 --> 01:32.844\n我們現在也是這麼做的那最後我的意思是說我想請教那過去不管是陸海空這些很優秀的軍人那特別是有曾經出過國那留學過回國然後完成他們在服役的期間他們離開之後大概有多少比例就您所了解有沒有進入國防產業不管是創新產業或者是新創產業跟國防相關的這樣的比例不知道有沒有\n\n01:34.091 --> 01:57.542\n這樣的比例在我們的這個中科院以及漢翔都有的但是假如說您運用美軍的資料我們這個就比他們差多了他是軍工工業跟國防跟國家政策相結合的我們不是一樣今天漢翔是一個老百姓的公司\n\n01:58.703 --> 02:14.333\n今天我們要請他做一件維修研發的事情都要經過中科院國防部三方面來會合因此要用軍中剛退伍的他的專長等等的都有重新訓練的必要\n\n02:15.965 --> 02:32.513\n謝謝主委所以我在講這件事情的原因是因為我想我們知道最近不管是在多個國外媒體都有提到還有一些期刊雜誌包括Politico都有在談到說希望說我們未來能夠有更多的軍事資產在台灣生產那這些生產的過程當然\n\n02:33.733 --> 02:59.387\n有國防部主導的也好可是有些並不是只有武器喔那包含這些新創創新的這些重要的零組件也好或者是一些系統軍民共用的系統也好那我會覺得比較可惜就是說其實有很多優秀的你們特別是海軍也是訓練了很多人出國那在這幾個月那我們正式進入國防外交委員會那我也開始跟這些\n\n03:00.327 --> 03:14.705\n退役的軍官特別是在40到60歲之間的在討論那他們有提到一個觀點他們是說希望說假設哪一天我們退輔會或者說我們國軍退下來的這些士官軍官\n\n03:15.846 --> 03:31.043\n他們在民間的企業不需要由退輔會主導進去這些新自備的而是能夠進入一般的民間產業不管是在新科技、電腦、創新那這樣子的話我們的退輔的工程就能夠說是一個非常成功的一個走法不知道主委你對這樣子的看法是怎麼樣\n\n03:31.844 --> 03:56.138\n報告委員我們的就學就業處就是在做這個工作而且我們的容服處是我們處點對於外面的處點跟這個外面的公司都有接觸而且他們都有績效報回來介紹了很多我們退役的官兵去就業當然這個可能我講不出來有50%但是我卻講得出來有25%以上\n\n04:00.667 --> 04:22.157\n謝謝主委我是希望說這個以後未來的統計相關的資料能夠也放在相關的報告裡面那我們就可以知道說我們的基礎點在哪邊那有沒有逐年的往上提升那這樣的話我還是希望說未來其實很多將官你說他的這個年資很高但其實以現在台灣人民的這個健康的水平其實他們能夠\n\n04:23.477 --> 04:23.597\n陳冠廷\n\n04:52.259 --> 05:18.646\n不要把說已經退休的這個將領就當成是就完全沒有他的實際效益或者是只是作為去這些新自備的地方我認為是有很多能夠發揮的我剛剛講的是將領包含校局軍官也好包含這個士官軍官也好那不要讓他們一出來就是士官那出來的這個選項那相對較少我是認為說可以試著去開拓他的可能性比方說\n\n05:20.106 --> 05:42.740\n我們的這個辦事處那他除了是服務民眾之外我們也會把一些相關的國防的一些看法來定期的請他們來諮詢請他們給我們看法那有些是在過去有在跟情報相關的那後來退休也到我們這邊來那我覺得都很好那我們就可以得到更多的資訊所以我希望說其實我們今天我們的這些助理們有沒有給我們說說轉\n\n05:44.261 --> 06:10.275\n退輔會相關單位安置情形如果我們可以把它轉到那一個PowerPoint沒關係沒有沒關係那裡面就有保持股率跟安置率那比方說新興水泥新興遠隆氣體公司那持股率是40%安置率是50%有些持股率是39%那安置率是31%那本來我們是想說那我們持股率應該要跟安置率一樣高啊那最好是越高越好這樣安置的更多可是我後來想一想不見得是正確的這個\n\n06:12.156 --> 06:31.969\n不見得要只想著什麼安置或許他們有很多潛力我們還沒有去探索到的我們是可以去努力的方向那再來我想提到剛才主委有提到AI科技智能相關的希望未來更多來去照顧照養我們的這些農民朋友我除了這個部分還是想要再強調這個國防創新管道這個Pipeline這個是\n\n06:36.772 --> 07:04.402\n這個在美國的近四五年不斷的有在提到這個部分那意思就是說在國防創新的這個部分當中退伍的軍官他們一退役之後進入這些科技產業他們能夠扮演的角色其實是很大的因為大家知道我們現在面臨的挑戰也不是只有只有軍購買自己軍備而已不是國防就是入海空而已金融戰科技戰法律戰那其實國防部還要包含這個法律專精的這些\n\n07:05.622 --> 07:28.691\n軍事軍方那跟一般民間的律師又不同嘛因為他不知道這裡面的提那所以說未來如果說這些小型創新的產業剛才提到剛才幾位委員都有提到你們有出出國嗎去美國來交友我們說實質內容是什麼我們不問這麼空泛的問題我們甚至可以說這一些過去退役的軍官這些將領在美國的退役的軍官將領他們現在在做什麼\n\n07:29.551 --> 07:38.174\n我們這些退換交易我們現在能做什麼那這些產業是不是能夠連結在一起我們是不是能夠把我們的產業鏈打入美國的市場這些都是可以的\n\n07:39.726 --> 08:01.811\n主委要說什麼?沒有說什麼。我覺得您講的方向都是正確的。謝謝主委。以台中地區來講,其實有很多機密機械產業,這些產業他們做得很好,他們甚至跨入一些航太的市場。比如說嘉義有一些產業是直接進入特斯拉的產業,可是這些產業其實跟軍事相關是有相關的。\n\n08:02.791 --> 08:23.903\n那這一些我們剛才講到將官也好你們曾經有派駐到國外去的他們可以作為這些民營純民營企業很好的公司顧問他們就不必再心自備他們也不必說就會被立法委員們諮詢說你們是什麼肥貓嗎什麼的不必啊因為他們有能力啊那這些過去我看不管是我們\n\n08:25.384 --> 08:40.549\n國防部送出去海軍陸軍這些官校的我看到有些還進入到最好的甚至去哈佛大學拿到電腦做事的都有那過去當然就不用什麼西點軍像這些都是很好的這些軍人那進入體制之後有些可能是有些可能不是我們不管\n\n08:41.800 --> 08:45.141\n今天大概是想要請教這個主委未來這個方向不知道可不可以納入國防創新產業這些跟這些國防工業相關的可以納入你們的這個統計標準裡面還有一個績效的指標\n\n09:10.749 --> 09:26.540\n報告委員,這幾年我們在您提醒我們的思想中間,我們已經有很大的進步,比如說國機國造、國艦國造,造就了很多我們軍方的人才能夠進去幫忙。\n\n09:28.581 --> 09:28.621\n陳冠廷\n\n09:58.581 --> 09:58.621\n陳冠廷\n\n10:27.688 --> 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