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{\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"。\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:10,394 --> 00:00:25,888\n我已經連續三個禮拜在這裡談到說土法不足以自刑那這個禮拜日的《林和報》也做了幾篇報導其中有一個案子是徵選上臺大研究所的林和俊他誘騙了81名的少女自拍裸照等等\n\n2\n00:00:26,428 --> 00:00:49,088\n但是因為和解等理由法院針對81件的犯刑各判刑一年兩個月一年四個月累計81件受害者累計超過百年的刑期最後宣告執行的刑期是6年6年所以這個事情就是我們一直在講這個多麼的不成比例\n\n3\n00:00:49,468 --> 00:01:10,581\n不成比例是在這裡,包括當天聯合報報導說,一名不亞片遭上網販售的少女說:「我的人生怎麼辦?能不能追回影片?」她是在九歲的時候被偷拍上網的性影像,流傳了多年,仍然難以完全下架,她的長期的心理影響壓力幾乎崩潰。\n\n4\n00:01:16,604 --> 00:01:30,051\n司法輕重加害者讓受害者再被傷害這件事情非常嚴重而我們去年才大修今天又要來大修要來加重到底是加多重我們今天要討論幾個面向請法務部警政署代表上台\n\n5\n00:01:40,185 --> 00:01:53,091\n主席法務部一個參事警政署一個副組長這種層級也到立法院來這個真的是一個重視兒少性剝削防治法的這個防治條例的修法的層級嗎參事\n\n6\n00:01:57,028 --> 00:02:09,061\n我不知道怎麼問了。所以我告訴你,目前專責,我們依照法律,依照性剝削防制條例第五條,應該要設有專責人員,還要有來辦案。請問一下,\n\n7\n00:02:13,986 --> 00:02:41,180\n像去年整個違反這個兒童性剝削第36、39條等等的啦他的案件增加到2903件,現在專責人員足夠嗎?而且網路APP、社群社團、線上遊戲、手遊這麼多網路又拐又使拍攝性剝削影像的重要的這個問題這麼多,我們如果查緝有沒有補充人力的需要?人力夠不夠?\n\n8\n00:02:44,175 --> 00:02:46,276\n你知道嗎?這個警政署。謝謝委員。報告委員,我們現在專責偵辦的機關是在刑事局是由針酒大隊。我現在問你說人力夠不夠啦!我不是問你哪一個單位啦!我們依照法律各地方檢察署、警察機關都要指定專業訓練的專責人員辦理本條例事件欸!\n\n9\n00:03:12,844 --> 00:03:33,594\n到底這五年來,不管法務部或警政署,這五年來經過專業訓練的專責人員的人數大概有多少?你告訴我,你們有多少專責人員訓練過的?是,跟委員報告,我們只要是專責單位,甚至我們的這個分局的偵查對同人,我們都必須要受到...我現在問的是專責人員啊!是。我們分局都有專責的...全國有多少人啊?\n\n10\n00:03:41,321 --> 00:03:45,850\n我們總共有1500位這些都是我們定期會受專業訓練的專業我在講專責人力專責\n\n11\n00:03:52,273 --> 00:04:16,858\n所以我們今天講說進傳媒有一篇報導他們就指出了台灣的警政機關卻沒有成立數位性犯罪的專責單位然後受害者去派出所或警局報案的經驗往往不佳警員也欠缺專業的知識輕忽案件的嚴重性而且現在大多數什麼你們專責人力一千多個不要再講了胡扯\n\n12\n00:04:17,398 --> 00:04:44,364\n各縣市的婦幼隊在辦理的居多啦,婦幼隊,也不是專責單位啦。謝謝委員。跟委員報告就是說,其實我們有考慮到被害人的臨近性,會在派出所來受理報案,但是我們的專責人員,包括我們的家防官以及分局的專責刑事人員,都會及時的介入相關的案件。專責還兼職,兼辦。\n\n13\n00:04:49,046 --> 00:05:04,362\n專責還是兼辦?你們有編制專責的嗎?不要在這裡硬拗了。警政署必須要整合附幼及科技人才,要成立專責單位。我們現在已經講到要成立專責單位了。所以在這裡我們是不是在請這個\n\n14\n00:05:07,674 --> 00:05:29,322\n而不是只有專責單位,我們請衛福部,我們也希望這個應該依據濟南大學家暴研究中心主任王佩玲指出,警政署也必須整合附幼及科技專才,成立專責單位,而且要設置數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫,全國資料庫,保定,全國資料庫,\n\n15\n00:05:31,837 --> 00:06:00,598\n因為他認為就是說性暴力偷拍影像犯罪者不會只有拍一兩部啦。報犯罪的手法多名受害者卻沒有被調查。很多的犯罪手法包括這個有沒有對價給錢的模式。其實一談一下都會發現說其實背後都是一個集團在製作。所以他們犯罪的手法然後人都有慣性。所以用手的同樣的手法會一直用。所以集中描繪就能知道是同一批人在做。\n\n16\n00:06:01,198 --> 00:06:21,247\n所以要成立全國資料庫,你覺得呢?如果說這個資料庫指的是對於這些有前科的犯罪的手法等等這樣子的內容的蒐集,我覺得這有必要。但是如果指的是現影像的資料庫,這恐怕...不是啦,這些...這些...\n\n17\n00:06:23,248 --> 00:06:42,812\n數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫找出背後的集團還有他們的模式化還有是不是同一批人不斷地在累犯然後再犯這樣子所以我再問一個就是說我們這幾年大家講創意私訪以外有沒有其他性犯罪產業的網站被破獲?好來檢警\n\n18\n00:06:49,668 --> 00:07:16,858\n因為都是慣性嘛,這個模式也會是類似的。依照警政署的統計,我們確實有其他相關的網站被查獲。我在講性犯罪產業網站拍攝兒少影像的組織還有沒有?報告有。啊,多少?大概有多少?比如說像觸感空間,其實也是我們在同一時間。對啦,我說多少件?\n\n19\n00:07:19,192 --> 00:07:38,010\n因為非常嚴重,你們到底是抓到過幾個?好,沒關係,到時候再問。來,我們再呈上一題,這個衛福部,請問部長,衛福部有沒有統計違反兒童性剝削條例,這個再犯率有多高?再犯率?\n\n20\n00:07:40,850 --> 00:08:00,248\n加害人的再犯率?這個部分是沒有去做統計的,我們只知道說當期有多少的案件這樣子。那我是不是要問這個,因為我們第五十一條裡面講說,這個還起訴的啦,或者是被判有罪的,其實都要受這個輔導教育,知道嗎?但輔導教育到底有沒有用啊?\n\n21\n00:08:00,788 --> 00:08:01,908\n報告委員目前我們是沒有這樣的一個統計資料沒有\n\n22\n00:08:25,168 --> 00:08:30,691\n好,你們通通都沒有。我們為什麼講這個呢?法務部經常用還起訴、不起訴的處分率去縱放,然後司法院動輒就以刑法第五十九條裏面減輕其刑。那常常裁判的理由就是說他出犯、其刑可免,但是你們沒有統計這個再犯率,\n\n23\n00:08:46,741 --> 00:09:07,243\n換言之,這個檢查部門他是緩起訴,但是他的輔導教育有沒有效,不知道。再犯率多高,不知道。然後就這樣繼續的輕放。然後這個有罪的也要上課,那上課有用嗎?也是沒有用啊。所以我們在這裡說,主管器官應該要進一步去檢視。\n\n24\n00:09:08,824 --> 00:09:36,467\n緩起訴、減輕期刑到底有沒有道理啊?老師說我們是覺得沒有道理啦所以主席允許我這個兩分鐘我做一個事情我現在講說我們從社工的視角就是去年的青少年犯罪防制研究期有一篇以社工人員當視角去討論就是說兒少性剝削私密影像案件的需求評估和處理困境的研究然後他們發現說流程上\n\n25\n00:09:38,228 --> 00:10:05,493\n在處理這個整個案件的通報還有這個受理還有這整個司法程序的過程裡面流程上應該減少受創的風險以關注兒少身心和隱私因為網路特性他的私密影片其實沒有辦法徹底根除很容易讓兒少陷入循環式的創傷當中所以他們訪問了七個社工員然後有兩個社工指出在第一線介入處遇服務的經驗裡面筆錄過程當中的指認\n\n26\n00:10:08,695 --> 00:10:16,627\n而讓兒少在社工人員、警方人員甚至在父母自己父母的面前卻去承認說是命一項就是我本人恐怕會讓兒少在製作筆錄當下感到甩甩不安而且對兒少來講可能會\n\n27\n00:10:24,338 --> 00:10:27,340\n此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。\n\n28\n00:10:47,310 --> 00:10:51,176\n而避免這個兒少心理在受創傷當成包庇加害者的理由這個也都是很荒謬的事情但是雖然是當成包庇加害者的理由不過不要讓這個受害者心理在創傷\n\n29\n00:11:04,774 --> 00:11:25,094\n這件事情真的是值得注意。所以我們在今天列寫的各個單位,不論是主責社工的衛福部,或者是警巡階段的製作筆錄的警政署,或者是法務部司法院,都應該跨部會去檢討,針對處遇流程都應該再更細緻的調整。你知道就是說這個是他們\n\n30\n00:11:27,516 --> 00:11:49,786\n當然一輩子的傷,恐怕也是難以回復的一生都要留下這個陰影的。好,我們進主條可以再繼續討論,謝謝林委員。那我們希望說,下一次我們主條的時候,你要給我看債範率,我們要看債範率,就知道政府導教育不好,過去重判,重判,而且土法不足以自省,檢審的專業,還有檢審的態度很重要。好,我們謝謝林委員。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10394\t25888\t我已經連續三個禮拜在這裡談到說土法不足以自刑那這個禮拜日的《林和報》也做了幾篇報導其中有一個案子是徵選上臺大研究所的林和俊他誘騙了81名的少女自拍裸照等等\n26428\t49088\t但是因為和解等理由法院針對81件的犯刑各判刑一年兩個月一年四個月累計81件受害者累計超過百年的刑期最後宣告執行的刑期是6年6年所以這個事情就是我們一直在講這個多麼的不成比例\n49468\t70581\t不成比例是在這裡,包括當天聯合報報導說,一名不亞片遭上網販售的少女說:「我的人生怎麼辦?能不能追回影片?」她是在九歲的時候被偷拍上網的性影像,流傳了多年,仍然難以完全下架,她的長期的心理影響壓力幾乎崩潰。\n76604\t90051\t司法輕重加害者讓受害者再被傷害這件事情非常嚴重而我們去年才大修今天又要來大修要來加重到底是加多重我們今天要討論幾個面向請法務部警政署代表上台\n100185\t113091\t主席法務部一個參事警政署一個副組長這種層級也到立法院來這個真的是一個重視兒少性剝削防治法的這個防治條例的修法的層級嗎參事\n117028\t129061\t我不知道怎麼問了。所以我告訴你,目前專責,我們依照法律,依照性剝削防制條例第五條,應該要設有專責人員,還要有來辦案。請問一下,\n133986\t161180\t像去年整個違反這個兒童性剝削第36、39條等等的啦他的案件增加到2903件,現在專責人員足夠嗎?而且網路APP、社群社團、線上遊戲、手遊這麼多網路又拐又使拍攝性剝削影像的重要的這個問題這麼多,我們如果查緝有沒有補充人力的需要?人力夠不夠?\n164175\t166276\t你知道嗎?這個警政署。謝謝委員。報告委員,我們現在專責偵辦的機關是在刑事局是由針酒大隊。我現在問你說人力夠不夠啦!我不是問你哪一個單位啦!我們依照法律各地方檢察署、警察機關都要指定專業訓練的專責人員辦理本條例事件欸!\n192844\t213594\t到底這五年來,不管法務部或警政署,這五年來經過專業訓練的專責人員的人數大概有多少?你告訴我,你們有多少專責人員訓練過的?是,跟委員報告,我們只要是專責單位,甚至我們的這個分局的偵查對同人,我們都必須要受到...我現在問的是專責人員啊!是。我們分局都有專責的...全國有多少人啊?\n221321\t225850\t我們總共有1500位這些都是我們定期會受專業訓練的專業 我在講專責人力專責\n232273\t256858\t所以我們今天講說進傳媒有一篇報導他們就指出了台灣的警政機關卻沒有成立數位性犯罪的專責單位然後受害者去派出所或警局報案的經驗往往不佳警員也欠缺專業的知識輕忽案件的嚴重性而且現在大多數什麼你們專責人力一千多個不要再講了胡扯\n257398\t284364\t各縣市的婦幼隊在辦理的居多啦,婦幼隊,也不是專責單位啦。謝謝委員。跟委員報告就是說,其實我們有考慮到被害人的臨近性,會在派出所來受理報案,但是我們的專責人員,包括我們的家防官以及分局的專責刑事人員,都會及時的介入相關的案件。專責還兼職,兼辦。\n289046\t304362\t專責還是兼辦?你們有編制專責的嗎?不要在這裡硬拗了。警政署必須要整合附幼及科技人才,要成立專責單位。我們現在已經講到要成立專責單位了。所以在這裡我們是不是在請這個\n307674\t329322\t而不是只有專責單位,我們請衛福部,我們也希望這個應該依據濟南大學家暴研究中心主任王佩玲指出,警政署也必須整合附幼及科技專才,成立專責單位,而且要設置數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫,全國資料庫,保定,全國資料庫,\n331837\t360598\t因為他認為就是說性暴力偷拍影像犯罪者不會只有拍一兩部啦。報犯罪的手法多名受害者卻沒有被調查。很多的犯罪手法包括這個有沒有對價給錢的模式。其實一談一下都會發現說其實背後都是一個集團在製作。所以他們犯罪的手法然後人都有慣性。所以用手的同樣的手法會一直用。所以集中描繪就能知道是同一批人在做。\n361198\t381247\t所以要成立全國資料庫,你覺得呢?如果說這個資料庫指的是對於這些有前科的犯罪的手法等等這樣子的內容的蒐集,我覺得這有必要。但是如果指的是現影像的資料庫,這恐怕...不是啦,這些...這些...\n383248\t402812\t數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫找出背後的集團還有他們的模式化還有是不是同一批人不斷地在累犯然後再犯這樣子所以我再問一個就是說我們這幾年大家講創意私訪以外有沒有其他性犯罪產業的網站被破獲?好來檢警\n409668\t436858\t因為都是慣性嘛,這個模式也會是類似的。依照警政署的統計,我們確實有其他相關的網站被查獲。我在講性犯罪產業網站拍攝兒少影像的組織還有沒有?報告有。啊,多少?大概有多少?比如說像觸感空間,其實也是我們在同一時間。對啦,我說多少件?\n439192\t458010\t因為非常嚴重,你們到底是抓到過幾個?好,沒關係,到時候再問。來,我們再呈上一題,這個衛福部,請問部長,衛福部有沒有統計違反兒童性剝削條例,這個再犯率有多高?再犯率?\n460850\t480248\t加害人的再犯率?這個部分是沒有去做統計的,我們只知道說當期有多少的案件這樣子。那我是不是要問這個,因為我們第五十一條裡面講說,這個還起訴的啦,或者是被判有罪的,其實都要受這個輔導教育,知道嗎?但輔導教育到底有沒有用啊?\n480788\t481908\t報告委員目前我們是沒有這樣的一個統計資料沒有\n505168\t510691\t好,你們通通都沒有。我們為什麼講這個呢?法務部經常用還起訴、不起訴的處分率去縱放,然後司法院動輒就以刑法第五十九條裏面減輕其刑。那常常裁判的理由就是說他出犯、其刑可免,但是你們沒有統計這個再犯率,\n526741\t547243\t換言之,這個檢查部門他是緩起訴,但是他的輔導教育有沒有效,不知道。再犯率多高,不知道。然後就這樣繼續的輕放。然後這個有罪的也要上課,那上課有用嗎?也是沒有用啊。所以我們在這裡說,主管器官應該要進一步去檢視。\n548824\t576467\t緩起訴、減輕期刑到底有沒有道理啊?老師說我們是覺得沒有道理啦所以主席允許我這個兩分鐘我做一個事情我現在講說我們從社工的視角就是去年的青少年犯罪防制研究期有一篇以社工人員當視角去討論就是說兒少性剝削私密影像案件的需求評估和處理困境的研究然後他們發現說流程上\n578228\t605493\t在處理這個整個案件的通報還有這個受理還有這整個司法程序的過程裡面流程上應該減少受創的風險以關注兒少身心和隱私因為網路特性他的私密影片其實沒有辦法徹底根除很容易讓兒少陷入循環式的創傷當中所以他們訪問了七個社工員然後有兩個社工指出在第一線介入處遇服務的經驗裡面筆錄過程當中的指認\n608695\t616627\t而讓兒少在社工人員、警方人員甚至在父母自己父母的面前卻去承認說是命一項就是我本人恐怕會讓兒少在製作筆錄當下感到甩甩不安而且對兒少來講可能會\n624338\t627340\t此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。\n647310\t651176\t而避免這個兒少心理在受創傷當成包庇加害者的理由這個也都是很荒謬的事情但是雖然是當成包庇加害者的理由不過不要讓這個受害者心理在創傷\n664774\t685094\t這件事情真的是值得注意。所以我們在今天列寫的各個單位,不論是主責社工的衛福部,或者是警巡階段的製作筆錄的警政署,或者是法務部司法院,都應該跨部會去檢討,針對處遇流程都應該再更細緻的調整。你知道就是說這個是他們\n687516\t709786\t當然一輩子的傷,恐怕也是難以回復的一生都要留下這個陰影的。好,我們進主條可以再繼續討論,謝謝林委員。那我們希望說,下一次我們主條的時候,你要給我看債範率,我們要看債範率,就知道政府導教育不好,過去重判,重判,而且土法不足以自省,檢審的專業,還有檢審的態度很重要。好,我們謝謝林委員。\n","txt":"我已經連續三個禮拜在這裡談到說土法不足以自刑那這個禮拜日的《林和報》也做了幾篇報導其中有一個案子是徵選上臺大研究所的林和俊他誘騙了81名的少女自拍裸照等等\n但是因為和解等理由法院針對81件的犯刑各判刑一年兩個月一年四個月累計81件受害者累計超過百年的刑期最後宣告執行的刑期是6年6年所以這個事情就是我們一直在講這個多麼的不成比例\n不成比例是在這裡,包括當天聯合報報導說,一名不亞片遭上網販售的少女說:「我的人生怎麼辦?能不能追回影片?」她是在九歲的時候被偷拍上網的性影像,流傳了多年,仍然難以完全下架,她的長期的心理影響壓力幾乎崩潰。\n司法輕重加害者讓受害者再被傷害這件事情非常嚴重而我們去年才大修今天又要來大修要來加重到底是加多重我們今天要討論幾個面向請法務部警政署代表上台\n主席法務部一個參事警政署一個副組長這種層級也到立法院來這個真的是一個重視兒少性剝削防治法的這個防治條例的修法的層級嗎參事\n我不知道怎麼問了。所以我告訴你,目前專責,我們依照法律,依照性剝削防制條例第五條,應該要設有專責人員,還要有來辦案。請問一下,\n像去年整個違反這個兒童性剝削第36、39條等等的啦他的案件增加到2903件,現在專責人員足夠嗎?而且網路APP、社群社團、線上遊戲、手遊這麼多網路又拐又使拍攝性剝削影像的重要的這個問題這麼多,我們如果查緝有沒有補充人力的需要?人力夠不夠?\n你知道嗎?這個警政署。謝謝委員。報告委員,我們現在專責偵辦的機關是在刑事局是由針酒大隊。我現在問你說人力夠不夠啦!我不是問你哪一個單位啦!我們依照法律各地方檢察署、警察機關都要指定專業訓練的專責人員辦理本條例事件欸!\n到底這五年來,不管法務部或警政署,這五年來經過專業訓練的專責人員的人數大概有多少?你告訴我,你們有多少專責人員訓練過的?是,跟委員報告,我們只要是專責單位,甚至我們的這個分局的偵查對同人,我們都必須要受到...我現在問的是專責人員啊!是。我們分局都有專責的...全國有多少人啊?\n我們總共有1500位這些都是我們定期會受專業訓練的專業 我在講專責人力專責\n所以我們今天講說進傳媒有一篇報導他們就指出了台灣的警政機關卻沒有成立數位性犯罪的專責單位然後受害者去派出所或警局報案的經驗往往不佳警員也欠缺專業的知識輕忽案件的嚴重性而且現在大多數什麼你們專責人力一千多個不要再講了胡扯\n各縣市的婦幼隊在辦理的居多啦,婦幼隊,也不是專責單位啦。謝謝委員。跟委員報告就是說,其實我們有考慮到被害人的臨近性,會在派出所來受理報案,但是我們的專責人員,包括我們的家防官以及分局的專責刑事人員,都會及時的介入相關的案件。專責還兼職,兼辦。\n專責還是兼辦?你們有編制專責的嗎?不要在這裡硬拗了。警政署必須要整合附幼及科技人才,要成立專責單位。我們現在已經講到要成立專責單位了。所以在這裡我們是不是在請這個\n而不是只有專責單位,我們請衛福部,我們也希望這個應該依據濟南大學家暴研究中心主任王佩玲指出,警政署也必須整合附幼及科技專才,成立專責單位,而且要設置數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫,全國資料庫,保定,全國資料庫,\n因為他認為就是說性暴力偷拍影像犯罪者不會只有拍一兩部啦。報犯罪的手法多名受害者卻沒有被調查。很多的犯罪手法包括這個有沒有對價給錢的模式。其實一談一下都會發現說其實背後都是一個集團在製作。所以他們犯罪的手法然後人都有慣性。所以用手的同樣的手法會一直用。所以集中描繪就能知道是同一批人在做。\n所以要成立全國資料庫,你覺得呢?如果說這個資料庫指的是對於這些有前科的犯罪的手法等等這樣子的內容的蒐集,我覺得這有必要。但是如果指的是現影像的資料庫,這恐怕...不是啦,這些...這些...\n數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫找出背後的集團還有他們的模式化還有是不是同一批人不斷地在累犯然後再犯這樣子所以我再問一個就是說我們這幾年大家講創意私訪以外有沒有其他性犯罪產業的網站被破獲?好來檢警\n因為都是慣性嘛,這個模式也會是類似的。依照警政署的統計,我們確實有其他相關的網站被查獲。我在講性犯罪產業網站拍攝兒少影像的組織還有沒有?報告有。啊,多少?大概有多少?比如說像觸感空間,其實也是我們在同一時間。對啦,我說多少件?\n因為非常嚴重,你們到底是抓到過幾個?好,沒關係,到時候再問。來,我們再呈上一題,這個衛福部,請問部長,衛福部有沒有統計違反兒童性剝削條例,這個再犯率有多高?再犯率?\n加害人的再犯率?這個部分是沒有去做統計的,我們只知道說當期有多少的案件這樣子。那我是不是要問這個,因為我們第五十一條裡面講說,這個還起訴的啦,或者是被判有罪的,其實都要受這個輔導教育,知道嗎?但輔導教育到底有沒有用啊?\n報告委員目前我們是沒有這樣的一個統計資料沒有\n好,你們通通都沒有。我們為什麼講這個呢?法務部經常用還起訴、不起訴的處分率去縱放,然後司法院動輒就以刑法第五十九條裏面減輕其刑。那常常裁判的理由就是說他出犯、其刑可免,但是你們沒有統計這個再犯率,\n換言之,這個檢查部門他是緩起訴,但是他的輔導教育有沒有效,不知道。再犯率多高,不知道。然後就這樣繼續的輕放。然後這個有罪的也要上課,那上課有用嗎?也是沒有用啊。所以我們在這裡說,主管器官應該要進一步去檢視。\n緩起訴、減輕期刑到底有沒有道理啊?老師說我們是覺得沒有道理啦所以主席允許我這個兩分鐘我做一個事情我現在講說我們從社工的視角就是去年的青少年犯罪防制研究期有一篇以社工人員當視角去討論就是說兒少性剝削私密影像案件的需求評估和處理困境的研究然後他們發現說流程上\n在處理這個整個案件的通報還有這個受理還有這整個司法程序的過程裡面流程上應該減少受創的風險以關注兒少身心和隱私因為網路特性他的私密影片其實沒有辦法徹底根除很容易讓兒少陷入循環式的創傷當中所以他們訪問了七個社工員然後有兩個社工指出在第一線介入處遇服務的經驗裡面筆錄過程當中的指認\n而讓兒少在社工人員、警方人員甚至在父母自己父母的面前卻去承認說是命一項就是我本人恐怕會讓兒少在製作筆錄當下感到甩甩不安而且對兒少來講可能會\n此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。\n而避免這個兒少心理在受創傷當成包庇加害者的理由這個也都是很荒謬的事情但是雖然是當成包庇加害者的理由不過不要讓這個受害者心理在創傷\n這件事情真的是值得注意。所以我們在今天列寫的各個單位,不論是主責社工的衛福部,或者是警巡階段的製作筆錄的警政署,或者是法務部司法院,都應該跨部會去檢討,針對處遇流程都應該再更細緻的調整。你知道就是說這個是他們\n當然一輩子的傷,恐怕也是難以回復的一生都要留下這個陰影的。好,我們進主條可以再繼續討論,謝謝林委員。那我們希望說,下一次我們主條的時候,你要給我看債範率,我們要看債範率,就知道政府導教育不好,過去重判,重判,而且土法不足以自省,檢審的專業,還有檢審的態度很重要。好,我們謝謝林委員。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.394 --> 00:25.888\n我已經連續三個禮拜在這裡談到說土法不足以自刑那這個禮拜日的《林和報》也做了幾篇報導其中有一個案子是徵選上臺大研究所的林和俊他誘騙了81名的少女自拍裸照等等\n\n00:26.428 --> 00:49.088\n但是因為和解等理由法院針對81件的犯刑各判刑一年兩個月一年四個月累計81件受害者累計超過百年的刑期最後宣告執行的刑期是6年6年所以這個事情就是我們一直在講這個多麼的不成比例\n\n00:49.468 --> 01:10.581\n不成比例是在這裡,包括當天聯合報報導說,一名不亞片遭上網販售的少女說:「我的人生怎麼辦?能不能追回影片?」她是在九歲的時候被偷拍上網的性影像,流傳了多年,仍然難以完全下架,她的長期的心理影響壓力幾乎崩潰。\n\n01:16.604 --> 01:30.051\n司法輕重加害者讓受害者再被傷害這件事情非常嚴重而我們去年才大修今天又要來大修要來加重到底是加多重我們今天要討論幾個面向請法務部警政署代表上台\n\n01:40.185 --> 01:53.091\n主席法務部一個參事警政署一個副組長這種層級也到立法院來這個真的是一個重視兒少性剝削防治法的這個防治條例的修法的層級嗎參事\n\n01:57.028 --> 02:09.061\n我不知道怎麼問了。所以我告訴你,目前專責,我們依照法律,依照性剝削防制條例第五條,應該要設有專責人員,還要有來辦案。請問一下,\n\n02:13.986 --> 02:41.180\n像去年整個違反這個兒童性剝削第36、39條等等的啦他的案件增加到2903件,現在專責人員足夠嗎?而且網路APP、社群社團、線上遊戲、手遊這麼多網路又拐又使拍攝性剝削影像的重要的這個問題這麼多,我們如果查緝有沒有補充人力的需要?人力夠不夠?\n\n02:44.175 --> 02:46.276\n你知道嗎?這個警政署。謝謝委員。報告委員,我們現在專責偵辦的機關是在刑事局是由針酒大隊。我現在問你說人力夠不夠啦!我不是問你哪一個單位啦!我們依照法律各地方檢察署、警察機關都要指定專業訓練的專責人員辦理本條例事件欸!\n\n03:12.844 --> 03:33.594\n到底這五年來,不管法務部或警政署,這五年來經過專業訓練的專責人員的人數大概有多少?你告訴我,你們有多少專責人員訓練過的?是,跟委員報告,我們只要是專責單位,甚至我們的這個分局的偵查對同人,我們都必須要受到...我現在問的是專責人員啊!是。我們分局都有專責的...全國有多少人啊?\n\n03:41.321 --> 03:45.850\n我們總共有1500位這些都是我們定期會受專業訓練的專業我在講專責人力專責\n\n03:52.273 --> 04:16.858\n所以我們今天講說進傳媒有一篇報導他們就指出了台灣的警政機關卻沒有成立數位性犯罪的專責單位然後受害者去派出所或警局報案的經驗往往不佳警員也欠缺專業的知識輕忽案件的嚴重性而且現在大多數什麼你們專責人力一千多個不要再講了胡扯\n\n04:17.398 --> 04:44.364\n各縣市的婦幼隊在辦理的居多啦,婦幼隊,也不是專責單位啦。謝謝委員。跟委員報告就是說,其實我們有考慮到被害人的臨近性,會在派出所來受理報案,但是我們的專責人員,包括我們的家防官以及分局的專責刑事人員,都會及時的介入相關的案件。專責還兼職,兼辦。\n\n04:49.046 --> 05:04.362\n專責還是兼辦?你們有編制專責的嗎?不要在這裡硬拗了。警政署必須要整合附幼及科技人才,要成立專責單位。我們現在已經講到要成立專責單位了。所以在這裡我們是不是在請這個\n\n05:07.674 --> 05:29.322\n而不是只有專責單位,我們請衛福部,我們也希望這個應該依據濟南大學家暴研究中心主任王佩玲指出,警政署也必須整合附幼及科技專才,成立專責單位,而且要設置數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫,全國資料庫,保定,全國資料庫,\n\n05:31.837 --> 06:00.598\n因為他認為就是說性暴力偷拍影像犯罪者不會只有拍一兩部啦。報犯罪的手法多名受害者卻沒有被調查。很多的犯罪手法包括這個有沒有對價給錢的模式。其實一談一下都會發現說其實背後都是一個集團在製作。所以他們犯罪的手法然後人都有慣性。所以用手的同樣的手法會一直用。所以集中描繪就能知道是同一批人在做。\n\n06:01.198 --> 06:21.247\n所以要成立全國資料庫,你覺得呢?如果說這個資料庫指的是對於這些有前科的犯罪的手法等等這樣子的內容的蒐集,我覺得這有必要。但是如果指的是現影像的資料庫,這恐怕...不是啦,這些...這些...\n\n06:23.248 --> 06:42.812\n數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫找出背後的集團還有他們的模式化還有是不是同一批人不斷地在累犯然後再犯這樣子所以我再問一個就是說我們這幾年大家講創意私訪以外有沒有其他性犯罪產業的網站被破獲?好來檢警\n\n06:49.668 --> 07:16.858\n因為都是慣性嘛,這個模式也會是類似的。依照警政署的統計,我們確實有其他相關的網站被查獲。我在講性犯罪產業網站拍攝兒少影像的組織還有沒有?報告有。啊,多少?大概有多少?比如說像觸感空間,其實也是我們在同一時間。對啦,我說多少件?\n\n07:19.192 --> 07:38.010\n因為非常嚴重,你們到底是抓到過幾個?好,沒關係,到時候再問。來,我們再呈上一題,這個衛福部,請問部長,衛福部有沒有統計違反兒童性剝削條例,這個再犯率有多高?再犯率?\n\n07:40.850 --> 08:00.248\n加害人的再犯率?這個部分是沒有去做統計的,我們只知道說當期有多少的案件這樣子。那我是不是要問這個,因為我們第五十一條裡面講說,這個還起訴的啦,或者是被判有罪的,其實都要受這個輔導教育,知道嗎?但輔導教育到底有沒有用啊?\n\n08:00.788 --> 08:01.908\n報告委員目前我們是沒有這樣的一個統計資料沒有\n\n08:25.168 --> 08:30.691\n好,你們通通都沒有。我們為什麼講這個呢?法務部經常用還起訴、不起訴的處分率去縱放,然後司法院動輒就以刑法第五十九條裏面減輕其刑。那常常裁判的理由就是說他出犯、其刑可免,但是你們沒有統計這個再犯率,\n\n08:46.741 --> 09:07.243\n換言之,這個檢查部門他是緩起訴,但是他的輔導教育有沒有效,不知道。再犯率多高,不知道。然後就這樣繼續的輕放。然後這個有罪的也要上課,那上課有用嗎?也是沒有用啊。所以我們在這裡說,主管器官應該要進一步去檢視。\n\n09:08.824 --> 09:36.467\n緩起訴、減輕期刑到底有沒有道理啊?老師說我們是覺得沒有道理啦所以主席允許我這個兩分鐘我做一個事情我現在講說我們從社工的視角就是去年的青少年犯罪防制研究期有一篇以社工人員當視角去討論就是說兒少性剝削私密影像案件的需求評估和處理困境的研究然後他們發現說流程上\n\n09:38.228 --> 10:05.493\n在處理這個整個案件的通報還有這個受理還有這整個司法程序的過程裡面流程上應該減少受創的風險以關注兒少身心和隱私因為網路特性他的私密影片其實沒有辦法徹底根除很容易讓兒少陷入循環式的創傷當中所以他們訪問了七個社工員然後有兩個社工指出在第一線介入處遇服務的經驗裡面筆錄過程當中的指認\n\n10:08.695 --> 10:16.627\n而讓兒少在社工人員、警方人員甚至在父母自己父母的面前卻去承認說是命一項就是我本人恐怕會讓兒少在製作筆錄當下感到甩甩不安而且對兒少來講可能會\n\n10:24.338 --> 10:27.340\n此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷風險。\n\n10:47.310 --> 10:51.176\n而避免這個兒少心理在受創傷當成包庇加害者的理由這個也都是很荒謬的事情但是雖然是當成包庇加害者的理由不過不要讓這個受害者心理在創傷\n\n11:04.774 --> 11:25.094\n這件事情真的是值得注意。所以我們在今天列寫的各個單位,不論是主責社工的衛福部,或者是警巡階段的製作筆錄的警政署,或者是法務部司法院,都應該跨部會去檢討,針對處遇流程都應該再更細緻的調整。你知道就是說這個是他們\n\n11:27.516 --> 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