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00:02:09,570\n報告委員我是救疫保健處處長張仁義我們就是有4個總院跟12個分院那我們都是按照那個編制方面都是盡量能夠有充足的人力市長我這邊的數據大概是有大概1萬名左右的護理人員那我們來看一下其實佔最多護理人員3,221名的北榮還有北榮育女分院的加班政策\n\n7\n00:02:11,239 --> 00:02:23,306\n這個是北榮護理部排班作業要點裡面寫的加班工時最遲於加班事時發生後的24小時內完成班表修訂主委你覺得這樣子的規定合不合理\n\n8\n00:02:24,448 --> 00:02:46,473\n報告委員最近因為我們有就這個問題已經做討論現在目前已經修訂就是說你發生這個事實之後一週之內七天之內完成這個已經修改過流程了是處長我是希望我們當然可以拉長到甚至到一個月因為我們看到幾個其他的月包括像三種國防部的軍醫局下面他們可能甚至是沒有期限了\n\n9\n00:02:47,273 --> 00:03:10,818\n那第一點所以我自己是希望說如果可以的話修改可以修改成一個月是更好或者讓他的期限讓我們的護理人員在他有加班室的時候有更多的時間可以來作業那同時這可能也不是只是北榮的問題我也要請主委我們可能16加榮一有沒有類似相關的規定也希望主委能夠去清查清楚不合理的該改的我們就立即來改可以嗎好\n\n10\n00:03:12,398 --> 00:03:39,286\n第二點主委我們現在看到確實有些部分可能是有違反勞基法的問題我們來看到依據臺北榮總勞工加班管制作業規定的第二項的第二點細節來看這頭影片那我們看到這邊有兩個重點第一個是他的加班補休是以小時來計第二個是在一年內沒有補休完畢的話不另外支給加班費\n\n11\n00:03:42,466 --> 00:04:05,832\n這兩點其實狀況我們看到不是只是北榮經過我們辦公室的調查總共有7個相關的機構都是以小時來計算這個加班費的單位包括北榮新竹分院包括北榮蘇澳分院包括北榮玉里分院還有中榮埔里分院高雄榮總跟雄榮的台南分院跟屏東榮總都是這個狀況\n\n12\n00:04:08,172 --> 00:04:29,105\n這七所都是如果你加班50分鐘的話按照這個規定是當沒發生過喔不可能吧那個報告委員因為就是有過去我們在做檢討現在目前就是說整個在檢討制度方面就已經可以算到分鐘做累計不然我先讓你看現在報告勞動部上面很清楚的規定\n\n13\n00:04:30,086 --> 00:04:56,833\n這剛才那個規定其實已經有違反勞基法的問題勞工部是很清楚說僱主給付勞工工資應計算至分鐘以工作未滿一小時時間能夠換算成小時後來給加班費比方說如果你加班20分鐘的話你可能是要給三分之一小時的加班費所以不是我今天加班50分鐘後面都不算現在我們看到幾個榮譽相關的規定這是違反勞基法的部長你覺得該不該修改\n\n14\n00:04:58,393 --> 00:05:03,111\n假設我們有這個狀況我們去修改我想院長你要講\n\n15\n00:05:04,922 --> 00:05:28,947\n報告委員這個事情我們醫院已經努力在做謝謝你對護理人員的關心我們現在程式是在整個調動大概6月底會完成完成之後測試無餘之後不只護理師我們其他的職類會比較辦理照顧好員工局長因為我現在在講當然不是只是北榮的狀況我剛才說了其實我們調查包括7所相關的榮譽的機構都有相對應的問題\n\n16\n00:05:32,809 --> 00:05:56,078\n這個我需要主委給一個承諾這7所通通都要改沒有問題吧只要有類似狀況的都要改是包委員我們有調查過而且請他們在於這個最遲今年年底會為什麼到今年年底因為有些涉及到這個是違法欸再來說下個月就要改啦這是違法的事情啊你們的規定違法\n\n17\n00:05:58,835 --> 00:06:04,425\n這不是合法大家談合不合理的問題這是違法違法是我們要讓他到年底嗎\n\n18\n00:06:05,779 --> 00:06:07,681\n部長我要再跟你說剛剛談到下面一個是如果這個一年沒有補修完喔\n\n19\n00:06:29,436 --> 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主委我們現在看到確實有些部分可能是有違反勞基法的問題我們來看到依據臺北榮總勞工加班管制作業規定的第二項的第二點細節來看這頭影片那我們看到這邊有兩個重點第一個是他的加班補休是以小時來計第二個是在一年內沒有補休完畢的話不另外支給加班費\n這兩點其實狀況我們看到不是只是北榮經過我們辦公室的調查總共有7個相關的機構都是以小時來計算這個加班費的單位包括北榮新竹分院包括北榮蘇澳分院包括北榮玉里分院還有中榮埔里分院高雄榮總跟雄榮的台南分院跟屏東榮總都是這個狀況\n這七所都是如果你加班50分鐘的話按照這個規定是當沒發生過喔不可能吧那個報告委員因為就是有過去我們在做檢討現在目前就是說整個在檢討制度方面就已經可以算到分鐘做累計不然我先讓你看現在報告勞動部上面很清楚的規定\n這剛才那個規定其實已經有違反勞基法的問題勞工部是很清楚說僱主給付勞工工資應計算至分鐘以工作未滿一小時時間能夠換算成小時後來給加班費比方說如果你加班20分鐘的話你可能是要給三分之一小時的加班費所以不是我今天加班50分鐘後面都不算現在我們看到幾個榮譽相關的規定這是違反勞基法的部長你覺得該不該修改\n假設我們有這個狀況我們去修改我想院長你要講\n報告委員這個事情我們醫院已經努力在做謝謝你對護理人員的關心我們現在程式是在整個調動大概6月底會完成完成之後測試無餘之後不只護理師我們其他的職類會比較辦理照顧好員工局長因為我現在在講當然不是只是北榮的狀況我剛才說了其實我們調查包括7所相關的榮譽的機構都有相對應的問題\n這個我需要主委給一個承諾這7所通通都要改沒有問題吧只要有類似狀況的都要改是 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00:56.857\n主委我們看一下這個新聞2024年全球最佳醫院排行榜出爐臺北榮總超越臺大入選250強我們看到這個新聞當然我們非常替北榮感到開心尤其北榮真的是一間非常好的醫院\n\n00:58.274 --> 00:58.374\n同意\n\n01:14.500 --> 01:39.725\n主委我們再看下面這個新聞臺中的慈濟醫院他在推護理人員準時下班他藉由流程的改善讓護理人員可以準時下班包括讓工作跟家庭可以兼顧所以也包括最近我們看到他的數據是他的留任率簽約留任率高達89.3%所以主委我想請問我們總共有16家日融醫那目前大概聘僱多少護理人員\n\n01:42.897 --> 02:09.570\n報告委員我是救疫保健處處長張仁義我們就是有4個總院跟12個分院那我們都是按照那個編制方面都是盡量能夠有充足的人力市長我這邊的數據大概是有大概1萬名左右的護理人員那我們來看一下其實佔最多護理人員3,221名的北榮還有北榮育女分院的加班政策\n\n02:11.239 --> 02:23.306\n這個是北榮護理部排班作業要點裡面寫的加班工時最遲於加班事時發生後的24小時內完成班表修訂主委你覺得這樣子的規定合不合理\n\n02:24.448 --> 02:46.473\n報告委員最近因為我們有就這個問題已經做討論現在目前已經修訂就是說你發生這個事實之後一週之內七天之內完成這個已經修改過流程了是處長我是希望我們當然可以拉長到甚至到一個月因為我們看到幾個其他的月包括像三種國防部的軍醫局下面他們可能甚至是沒有期限了\n\n02:47.273 --> 03:10.818\n那第一點所以我自己是希望說如果可以的話修改可以修改成一個月是更好或者讓他的期限讓我們的護理人員在他有加班室的時候有更多的時間可以來作業那同時這可能也不是只是北榮的問題我也要請主委我們可能16加榮一有沒有類似相關的規定也希望主委能夠去清查清楚不合理的該改的我們就立即來改可以嗎好\n\n03:12.398 --> 03:39.286\n第二點主委我們現在看到確實有些部分可能是有違反勞基法的問題我們來看到依據臺北榮總勞工加班管制作業規定的第二項的第二點細節來看這頭影片那我們看到這邊有兩個重點第一個是他的加班補休是以小時來計第二個是在一年內沒有補休完畢的話不另外支給加班費\n\n03:42.466 --> 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