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00:02:05,663\n報告委員我想對於這樣每個個案比如說今天我們在審兒少性剝削防制條例那這個方向上是朝就是加重刑罰那我想最主要目的其實要防制兒少性剝削尤其是數位暴力的這樣一個性隱私影像的維護這個方向司法院一直一直以來都是\n\n6\n00:02:07,304 --> 00:02:32,307\n因為司法院也是要去踐行兒童權利公約防制兒少被剝削,尤其在數位的時期。可是一直沒有看到作為?跟委員報告就是因為司法院其實尤其是我們在立法院備詢,那從司法行政的立場,那去讓每一個法官認識到兒少性剝削它的內涵跟它的重要性。那我們每年在法官學院大概都有強化這方面的課程。\n\n7\n00:02:32,867 --> 00:02:53,643\n那我們之前也有曾經希望能夠去完成這個就是良形的一個妥適良形法草案。那這部分等一下如果有需要的話,可以請主法官可以進一步說明。那我們從司法院這個112年的這個統計資料來看,我們違反兒少性剝削的案件,地方法院一審的裁判結果當中,\n\n8\n00:02:54,764 --> 00:03:14,352\n我們以最大宗的拍攝製造性交猥褻的物品罪來看,也就是《兒少性剝削條例第三十六條》所規範的範圍,在去年的324件裡頭,大概半數都是判一年到兩年以下的有期徒刑。\n\n9\n00:03:15,572 --> 00:03:36,140\n以社會大眾在看,會覺得怎麼常常會有輕判的這種情況發生,能判到五年甚至十年的是少之又少。還是說我們這個兒童性剝削相關的案件實務上不容易重判?我想請教我們司法院的代表跟法務部的代表,你們的觀察是不是這樣子?\n\n10\n00:03:37,698 --> 00:04:02,478\n跟委員報告就是剛剛前面有委員也垂詢到這個部分因為每個個案經過檢察官起訴之後檢察官其實也會這個就求刑的部分也會提出一些檢察官的意見那法官會去進行這些刑法五十七條的這些量刑的各項的審酌的因子那所以我們才會希望能夠大院能夠盡快的針對我們的一個妥適量刑\n\n11\n00:04:03,058 --> 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