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00:00:50,913\n監察法第26條修正案\n\n4\n00:01:15,942 --> 00:01:19,885\n監察法26條有更明確的規定比如說他現在沒有規範調查報告那我們希望這個有比較明確的規定這個部分我們希望在這一次先討論這個人權專章以後我們再整理我簡單講一下三個重點\n\n5\n00:01:39,259 --> 00:01:44,745\n1.調查權行使時遵守正當法律程序及符合比例原則2.\n\n6\n00:01:44,745 --> 00:01:45,967\n調查報告要有法律位階依據3.\n\n7\n00:01:45,967 --> 00:01:47,168\n資訊透明的部分有公共利益者應該要公開1110年你們的全面談話會\n\n8\n00:01:57,941 --> 00:02:15,016\n本來應該來講是監察院自己提嘛去提升自己的職能這方向是很好的可是你們開了全院談話會之後結果突然之間這法案不見了說撤回啊其實秘書長你會還原一下當天為什麼是誰提了說要把這個案子撤掉的這個我那時候還沒有來我不太清楚你那時候還沒有來那你現在有沒有去了解一下當初為什麼\n\n9\n00:02:15,496 --> 00:02:41,925\n你曾經做立委要提這樣的方向後來自己監察院自己把他自廢武功你現在做秘書長我剛說明很清楚我們這一次監察法的修正我們重點擺在人權專章因為我們國家人權委員會成立了三年多我們希望趕快把這個職權行使的部分確立下來那至於監察法其他部分的修正現在也有很多委員有不同的提案我們一併來整合一併來整合那本席還是要求一下你們去了解一下啦\n\n10\n00:02:42,305 --> 00:03:04,584\n當然你現在有現在的節奏這我願意尊重但你以前發生的總要了解一下哪一個監察委員這麼大膽說要撤回這個可以讓監察權行使更完整更有公信力的法案現在大家社會上面對的問題就是大家對監察院也失去信心了對法律也失去信心了這其實是一個很大的社會危機嘛那之所以大家會對監察權失去信心某一些層面當然就是因為部分的監察委員政治辦案嘛\n\n11\n00:03:04,944 --> 00:03:19,451\n比如今天大家去提的這個高永成監委非常誇張嘛段宜康當初講林昌敏這曲棍球案檢察官認為不涉案所以不起訴處分這個監察委員調查該案的時候竟然施壓重新起訴啊對不對\n\n12\n00:03:20,708 --> 00:03:22,329\n委員徐巧芯等17人發言委員徐巧芯\n\n13\n00:03:43,988 --> 00:04:11,761\n這個論文案重創民進黨的選情高永成也對這個余政煌發動政治清算那最近講到侯友宜市長30幾年前的舊案不說阿相關當場的這個指揮有指揮權的人不去約尋只約尋當初只是刑事組組長侯友宜這些反此種種喔都讓大家覺得這監察委員政治辦案的這狀況是很誇張的嘛好我現在要問啦現在處理這樣子政治辦案有射眼鏡這樣子你們的自律機制是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:12,461 --> 00:04:37,886\n你們內部有沒有檢討有沒有一些機制去講這個東西好像有點有違當初公平的原則你們內部有沒有做過這樣的討論我跟委員報告監察院獨立行使職權所以如果他是依照程序來而且這些都走過程序那我們當然不會走自律規範那如果有其他同仁有認為說確實影響到這個部分那我們當然會走自律規範那現在有沒有這幾件事情新聞都鬧得蠻大的\n\n15\n00:04:39,546 --> 00:05:04,352\n高永誠委員是每個人對他的評價不一樣啊每個人對他的評價不一樣所以有問沒有嘛沒有沒有這個並沒有討論嘛對這個都是依照我們的程序來相關處理的好這個喔這個秘書長過去做立法委員的時候曾經也是質詢監察院的秘書長嘛是有一樣的只是位子站得不一樣對不對你曾經質詢啦我這個原話轉述啦說如果立法院啦\n\n16\n00:05:05,332 --> 00:05:18,659\n討論完之後,當初針對的是那個王建宣院長那個案子嘛,就是說,如果我們討論,立法院討論完之後,說王建宣嚴重的破壞官僧,要求監察院啟動彈劾,也就是自清的話,會不會處理?欸當初他們回答是什麼?\n\n17\n00:05:20,305 --> 00:05:39,779\n你當初在這裡質詢監察院秘書長那個當初被詢的叫陳鋒義當初你有問過這樣的話對不對那他當初的回答是什麼我不記得了你不記得了那我今天問原話問你啊如果我們今天立法院討論完之後因為高永成這個政治辦案實在太明顯了我們認為他嚴重破壞官僧要求監察院彈劾的時候請問你們怎麼處理\n\n18\n00:05:41,537 --> 00:06:00,604\n監察院的自律規範是我們的自律規範啊,如果監察委員認為他有影響到監察院的觀爭,那當然我們會自己走這一條路啊。我們自律規範裡面就包括提起彈劾啊。阿你剛剛講有沒有啟動自律規範,也是沒有。我告訴你,這個是我們監察院自己的權責啊。自己的權責是啊。\n\n19\n00:06:01,984 --> 00:06:09,668\n為什麼今天為什麼今天會修法就是因為大家已經對監察院已經很多失去信心這樣的修法會造成影響會影響到我們的用人以剛剛這樣這一段時間的答詢來看看起來要法治沒法治嗎我們剛講26條精神並沒有被落實第二個要問責沒問責嗎一個是監察法一個是監察院組織法這個林委員不要搞錯啦\n\n20\n00:06:23,956 --> 00:06:25,418\n監察法跟監察院組織法是完全不一樣的法\n\n21\n00:06:39,059 --> 00:06:55,599\n你還在跟我扯法條重點不是這個嘛我現在跟你講的是你用哪一條法律都沒有關係但是現在的狀況人民對於監察院第一要自律沒自律第二要問責沒問責第三要法制沒法制是很糟糕的事情所以不要把法條搞在一起\n\n22\n00:06:55,899 --> 00:06:55,919\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4950\t34216\t謝謝主席啊 秘書長有請啊 牛委員好這個秘書長 為什麼今天要提修法案啊這個是徐巧芯委員的組織法修正案對 你覺得為什麼我不知道你有沒有看法律 法條的內容對 但是這個法案我們有意見你也有意見 你不能講你不知道啊我告訴你啊 今天修這個法 法案就是希望監察委員的任命啊 可以正常一點去降低政治的色彩 對不對你同不同意是一回事啊 但你總知道這個概念吧\n35277\t49913\t那你不要講你不知道嘛我跟你講今天會談到修法用這種方式就標準要自律不成只好他律理論上來講就是立法權跟監察權應該要分進合集好好來監督政府雖然秘書長你本人對於監察院的存廢\n50333\t50913\t監察法第26條修正案\n75942\t79885\t監察法26條有更明確的規定比如說他現在沒有規範調查報告那我們希望這個有比較明確的規定這個部分我們希望在這一次先討論這個人權專章以後我們再整理我簡單講一下三個重點\n99259\t104745\t1.調查權行使時遵守正當法律程序及符合比例原則2.\n104745\t105967\t調查報告要有法律位階依據3.\n105967\t107168\t資訊透明的部分有公共利益者應該要公開1110年你們的全面談話會\n117941\t135016\t本來應該來講是監察院自己提嘛去提升自己的職能這方向是很好的可是你們開了全院談話會之後結果突然之間這法案不見了說撤回啊其實秘書長你會還原一下當天為什麼是誰提了說要把這個案子撤掉的這個我那時候還沒有來我不太清楚你那時候還沒有來那你現在有沒有去了解一下當初為什麼\n135496\t161925\t你曾經做立委要提這樣的方向後來自己監察院自己把他自廢武功你現在做秘書長我剛說明很清楚我們這一次監察法的修正我們重點擺在人權專章因為我們國家人權委員會成立了三年多我們希望趕快把這個職權行使的部分確立下來那至於監察法其他部分的修正現在也有很多委員有不同的提案我們一併來整合一併來整合那本席還是要求一下你們去了解一下啦\n162305\t184584\t當然你現在有現在的節奏這我願意尊重但你以前發生的總要了解一下哪一個監察委員這麼大膽說要撤回這個可以讓監察權行使更完整更有公信力的法案現在大家社會上面對的問題就是大家對監察院也失去信心了對法律也失去信心了這其實是一個很大的社會危機嘛那之所以大家會對監察權失去信心某一些層面當然就是因為部分的監察委員政治辦案嘛\n184944\t199451\t比如今天大家去提的這個高永成監委非常誇張嘛段宜康當初講林昌敏這曲棍球案檢察官認為不涉案所以不起訴處分這個監察委員調查該案的時候竟然施壓重新起訴啊對不對\n200708\t202329\t委員徐巧芯等17人發言委員徐巧芯\n223988\t251761\t這個論文案重創民進黨的選情高永成也對這個余政煌發動政治清算那最近講到侯友宜市長30幾年前的舊案不說阿相關當場的這個指揮有指揮權的人不去約尋只約尋當初只是刑事組組長侯友宜這些反此種種喔都讓大家覺得這監察委員政治辦案的這狀況是很誇張的嘛好我現在要問啦現在處理這樣子政治辦案有射眼鏡這樣子你們的自律機制是什麼\n252461\t277886\t你們內部有沒有檢討 有沒有一些機制去講這個東西好像有點有違當初公平的原則你們內部有沒有做過這樣的討論我跟委員報告 監察院獨立行使職權所以如果他是依照程序來 而且這些都走過程序那我們當然不會走自律規範那如果有其他同仁有認為說確實影響到這個部分那我們當然會走自律規範那現在有沒有 這幾件事情新聞都鬧得蠻大的\n279546\t304352\t高永誠委員是每個人對他的評價不一樣啊每個人對他的評價不一樣所以有問沒有嘛 沒有沒有 這個並沒有討論嘛對 這個都是依照我們的程序來相關處理的好 這個喔 這個秘書長過去做立法委員的時候曾經也是質詢監察院的秘書長嘛是 有一樣的 只是位子站得不一樣 對不對你曾經質詢啦 我這個原話轉述啦 說如果立法院啦\n305332\t318659\t討論完之後,當初針對的是那個王建宣院長那個案子嘛,就是說,如果我們討論,立法院討論完之後,說王建宣嚴重的破壞官僧,要求監察院啟動彈劾,也就是自清的話,會不會處理?欸當初他們回答是什麼?\n320305\t339779\t你當初在這裡質詢監察院秘書長那個當初被詢的叫陳鋒義當初你有問過這樣的話對不對那他當初的回答是什麼我不記得了你不記得了那我今天問原話問你啊如果我們今天立法院討論完之後因為高永成這個政治辦案實在太明顯了我們認為他嚴重破壞官僧要求監察院彈劾的時候請問你們怎麼處理\n341537\t360604\t監察院的自律規範是我們的自律規範啊,如果監察委員認為他有影響到監察院的觀爭,那當然我們會自己走這一條路啊。我們自律規範裡面就包括提起彈劾啊。阿你剛剛講有沒有啟動自律規範,也是沒有。我告訴你,這個是我們監察院自己的權責啊。自己的權責是啊。\n361984\t369668\t為什麼今天為什麼今天會修法就是因為大家已經對監察院已經很多失去信心這樣的修法會造成影響會影響到我們的用人以剛剛這樣這一段時間的答詢來看看起來要法治沒法治嗎我們剛講26條精神並沒有被落實第二個要問責沒問責嗎一個是監察法一個是監察院組織法這個林委員不要搞錯啦\n383956\t385418\t監察法跟監察院組織法是完全不一樣的法\n399059\t415599\t你還在跟我扯法條重點不是這個嘛我現在跟你講的是你用哪一條法律都沒有關係但是現在的狀況人民對於監察院第一要自律沒自律第二要問責沒問責第三要法制沒法制是很糟糕的事情所以不要把法條搞在一起\n415899\t415919\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席啊 秘書長有請啊 牛委員好這個秘書長 為什麼今天要提修法案啊這個是徐巧芯委員的組織法修正案對 你覺得為什麼我不知道你有沒有看法律 法條的內容對 但是這個法案我們有意見你也有意見 你不能講你不知道啊我告訴你啊 今天修這個法 法案就是希望監察委員的任命啊 可以正常一點去降低政治的色彩 對不對你同不同意是一回事啊 但你總知道這個概念吧\n那你不要講你不知道嘛我跟你講今天會談到修法用這種方式就標準要自律不成只好他律理論上來講就是立法權跟監察權應該要分進合集好好來監督政府雖然秘書長你本人對於監察院的存廢\n監察法第26條修正案\n監察法26條有更明確的規定比如說他現在沒有規範調查報告那我們希望這個有比較明確的規定這個部分我們希望在這一次先討論這個人權專章以後我們再整理我簡單講一下三個重點\n1.調查權行使時遵守正當法律程序及符合比例原則2.\n調查報告要有法律位階依據3.\n資訊透明的部分有公共利益者應該要公開1110年你們的全面談話會\n本來應該來講是監察院自己提嘛去提升自己的職能這方向是很好的可是你們開了全院談話會之後結果突然之間這法案不見了說撤回啊其實秘書長你會還原一下當天為什麼是誰提了說要把這個案子撤掉的這個我那時候還沒有來我不太清楚你那時候還沒有來那你現在有沒有去了解一下當初為什麼\n你曾經做立委要提這樣的方向後來自己監察院自己把他自廢武功你現在做秘書長我剛說明很清楚我們這一次監察法的修正我們重點擺在人權專章因為我們國家人權委員會成立了三年多我們希望趕快把這個職權行使的部分確立下來那至於監察法其他部分的修正現在也有很多委員有不同的提案我們一併來整合一併來整合那本席還是要求一下你們去了解一下啦\n當然你現在有現在的節奏這我願意尊重但你以前發生的總要了解一下哪一個監察委員這麼大膽說要撤回這個可以讓監察權行使更完整更有公信力的法案現在大家社會上面對的問題就是大家對監察院也失去信心了對法律也失去信心了這其實是一個很大的社會危機嘛那之所以大家會對監察權失去信心某一些層面當然就是因為部分的監察委員政治辦案嘛\n比如今天大家去提的這個高永成監委非常誇張嘛段宜康當初講林昌敏這曲棍球案檢察官認為不涉案所以不起訴處分這個監察委員調查該案的時候竟然施壓重新起訴啊對不對\n委員徐巧芯等17人發言委員徐巧芯\n這個論文案重創民進黨的選情高永成也對這個余政煌發動政治清算那最近講到侯友宜市長30幾年前的舊案不說阿相關當場的這個指揮有指揮權的人不去約尋只約尋當初只是刑事組組長侯友宜這些反此種種喔都讓大家覺得這監察委員政治辦案的這狀況是很誇張的嘛好我現在要問啦現在處理這樣子政治辦案有射眼鏡這樣子你們的自律機制是什麼\n你們內部有沒有檢討 有沒有一些機制去講這個東西好像有點有違當初公平的原則你們內部有沒有做過這樣的討論我跟委員報告 監察院獨立行使職權所以如果他是依照程序來 而且這些都走過程序那我們當然不會走自律規範那如果有其他同仁有認為說確實影響到這個部分那我們當然會走自律規範那現在有沒有 這幾件事情新聞都鬧得蠻大的\n高永誠委員是每個人對他的評價不一樣啊每個人對他的評價不一樣所以有問沒有嘛 沒有沒有 這個並沒有討論嘛對 這個都是依照我們的程序來相關處理的好 這個喔 這個秘書長過去做立法委員的時候曾經也是質詢監察院的秘書長嘛是 有一樣的 只是位子站得不一樣 對不對你曾經質詢啦 我這個原話轉述啦 說如果立法院啦\n討論完之後,當初針對的是那個王建宣院長那個案子嘛,就是說,如果我們討論,立法院討論完之後,說王建宣嚴重的破壞官僧,要求監察院啟動彈劾,也就是自清的話,會不會處理?欸當初他們回答是什麼?\n你當初在這裡質詢監察院秘書長那個當初被詢的叫陳鋒義當初你有問過這樣的話對不對那他當初的回答是什麼我不記得了你不記得了那我今天問原話問你啊如果我們今天立法院討論完之後因為高永成這個政治辦案實在太明顯了我們認為他嚴重破壞官僧要求監察院彈劾的時候請問你們怎麼處理\n監察院的自律規範是我們的自律規範啊,如果監察委員認為他有影響到監察院的觀爭,那當然我們會自己走這一條路啊。我們自律規範裡面就包括提起彈劾啊。阿你剛剛講有沒有啟動自律規範,也是沒有。我告訴你,這個是我們監察院自己的權責啊。自己的權責是啊。\n為什麼今天為什麼今天會修法就是因為大家已經對監察院已經很多失去信心這樣的修法會造成影響會影響到我們的用人以剛剛這樣這一段時間的答詢來看看起來要法治沒法治嗎我們剛講26條精神並沒有被落實第二個要問責沒問責嗎一個是監察法一個是監察院組織法這個林委員不要搞錯啦\n監察法跟監察院組織法是完全不一樣的法\n你還在跟我扯法條重點不是這個嘛我現在跟你講的是你用哪一條法律都沒有關係但是現在的狀況人民對於監察院第一要自律沒自律第二要問責沒問責第三要法制沒法制是很糟糕的事情所以不要把法條搞在一起\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.950 --> 00:34.216\n謝謝主席啊秘書長有請啊牛委員好這個秘書長為什麼今天要提修法案啊這個是徐巧芯委員的組織法修正案對你覺得為什麼我不知道你有沒有看法律法條的內容對但是這個法案我們有意見你也有意見你不能講你不知道啊我告訴你啊今天修這個法法案就是希望監察委員的任命啊可以正常一點去降低政治的色彩對不對你同不同意是一回事啊但你總知道這個概念吧\n\n00:35.277 --> 00:49.913\n那你不要講你不知道嘛我跟你講今天會談到修法用這種方式就標準要自律不成只好他律理論上來講就是立法權跟監察權應該要分進合集好好來監督政府雖然秘書長你本人對於監察院的存廢\n\n00:50.333 --> 00:50.913\n監察法第26條修正案\n\n01:15.942 --> 01:19.885\n監察法26條有更明確的規定比如說他現在沒有規範調查報告那我們希望這個有比較明確的規定這個部分我們希望在這一次先討論這個人權專章以後我們再整理我簡單講一下三個重點\n\n01:39.259 --> 01:44.745\n1.調查權行使時遵守正當法律程序及符合比例原則2.\n\n01:44.745 --> 01:45.967\n調查報告要有法律位階依據3.\n\n01:45.967 --> 01:47.168\n資訊透明的部分有公共利益者應該要公開1110年你們的全面談話會\n\n01:57.941 --> 02:15.016\n本來應該來講是監察院自己提嘛去提升自己的職能這方向是很好的可是你們開了全院談話會之後結果突然之間這法案不見了說撤回啊其實秘書長你會還原一下當天為什麼是誰提了說要把這個案子撤掉的這個我那時候還沒有來我不太清楚你那時候還沒有來那你現在有沒有去了解一下當初為什麼\n\n02:15.496 --> 02:41.925\n你曾經做立委要提這樣的方向後來自己監察院自己把他自廢武功你現在做秘書長我剛說明很清楚我們這一次監察法的修正我們重點擺在人權專章因為我們國家人權委員會成立了三年多我們希望趕快把這個職權行使的部分確立下來那至於監察法其他部分的修正現在也有很多委員有不同的提案我們一併來整合一併來整合那本席還是要求一下你們去了解一下啦\n\n02:42.305 --> 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