{"id":151840,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151840","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e90f54132b1096e6d6d89087dfd550bb5b40abc3f7af24af34e2527b10508eee2aebae2ba5998d555ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"蘇巧慧","委員發言時間":"09:30:20 - 09:36:59","影片長度":"00:06:39","會議時間":"2024-04-29T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、「新住民權益保障法草案」及「新住民基本法草案」：(詢答及處理)(一)審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具「新住民權益保障法草案」案。(二)審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。(三)審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。(四)審查國民黨黨團擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。(五)審查委員蘇巧慧等26人擬具「新住民基本法草案」案。【第(四)案及第(五)案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】二、繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra 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報告！謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝麥玉珍委員。","接下來請高金素梅委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":448,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-15","speakers":["高金素梅","蘇巧慧","麥玉珍","牛煦庭","張智倫","張宏陸","黃建賓","許宇甄","王美惠","黃捷","丁學忠","李柏毅","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:38,631\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院第11屆第1會期內政委委員會第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會\n\n9\n00:02:50,436 --> 00:02:55,059\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民權益保障法草案》案。審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。\n\n10\n00:03:20,197 --> 00:03:21,157\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n\n11\n00:03:40,945 --> 00:04:08,420\n是跟我們完全一樣既沒有語言隔閡也沒有文化差異的時候那這個保障還應該給予存在嗎這就是我在想說如果到新二代所謂奇籍子女的時候我們到底要到什麼狀況因為像原住民的話其實我們是因為血統的關係還有認同的關係其實是可以一代又一代下去但如果新住民的保障當時是為了融入社會的這個GAP要把它擬平這個\n\n12\n00:04:09,740 --> 00:04:17,788\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n\n13\n00:04:34,224 --> 00:04:34,525\n案。審查委員\n\n14\n00:04:49,948 --> 00:05:14,881\n新加入台灣這個大家庭的有困難的人我們都要保障他嗎?哇!那這樣子我們的設計方法就會不太一樣那反過來如果是他已經到位了的時候那這要怎麼停住?所以我想今天我就藉著我這個第一日質詢嘛那也跟您討論也跟各位在場的委員分享我在研讀這部法律之後我認為其實我們就\n\n15\n00:05:17,222 --> 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審查委員\n然後他適用的對象到底是誰我覺得這個對象一定要能夠確定清楚之後我們後面在談的權益範圍要擴張到什麼程度其實才有辦法真正的落實這是我們在討論過後我自己雖然提出版本之後在經過細部就這個細究之後也開始看到這樣的問題首先那我就問你嘛\n以現行法條來講的話那市長你知道我們的現行法條當中有哪幾個法條講到了新住民這三個字對新住民有定義目前其實只有基金這個地方才有是內政部的新住民保障基金並不存在新住民三個字\n其實還有另外一個教育部教育部他在新住民就讀大學辦法裡面也有偏查所有現行法規就這兩個有講到新住民三個字但是他的定義上面其實並沒有很清楚但有直接說指涉的適用範圍就有點剛剛說內政部的這個新住民發展基金的部分他是指外籍中國港澳配偶及其子女那教育部的直接是規劃者\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案．立法院第11屆第1會期內政委委員會第11屆第2會期內政委員會第3會期內政委員會第4會期內政委員會第5會期內政委員會第6會期內政委員會第7會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第8會期內政委員會第9會期內政委員會第10會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第11會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會第12會期內政委員會\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民權益保障法草案》案。 審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具《新住民基本法草案》案。\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n是跟我們完全一樣既沒有語言隔閡也沒有文化差異的時候那這個保障還應該給予存在嗎這就是我在想說如果到新二代所謂奇籍子女的時候我們到底要到什麼狀況因為像原住民的話其實我們是因為血統的關係還有認同的關係其實是可以一代又一代下去但如果新住民的保障當時是為了融入社會的這個GAP要把它擬平這個\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n案。 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