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Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。\n\n備註：4月29日（星期一）、5月1日(星期三)【兩天一次會】）","date":"2024-04-29","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":15,"committees":[15],"id":"委員會-11-1-15-15"},"duration":500,"end_time":"2024-04-29T09:53:27+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-29T09:45:07+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":430,"blocks":[["高金委員素梅：（9時45分）謝謝大家。我對麥玉珍委員的陳述非常有感，尤其他是代表新住民進入立法院，所以他對這個議題一定是很熟悉，而且一定在基層看到、碰到非常多問題，尤其是家暴的問題。玉珍，你要加油！你在臺灣這段歷程，我們看到了！辛苦你了，加油！","繼續我們請一下花次長。"],["主席：次長，有請。"],["高金委員素梅：次長，我先說，在2019年的時候，蔡總統非常重視新住民，所以他特別用6種語言向新住民尋求支持。然後我們也可以看到相關的人數，根據內政部移民署、教育部、勞動部的統計，我們的外籍配偶有五十九萬三千餘人，大專院校境外生大概十萬三千多人，外國專業人員五萬四千多人，移工七十五萬六千餘人，總數151萬人。這151萬人就是我們所有的政治人物或者政黨很想要吸取的人數，所以在2019年的時候，蔡英文總統為了要競選連任，推出使用6種語言的廣告，向我們的新住民尋求支持，玉珍委員在這邊質詢的時候也曾經講過。請問一下次長，蔡政府任期已經剩不到1個月了，你給蔡政府對新住民的政策總體打幾分？"],["花次長敬群：我想我不宜做這個打分數的動作？"],["高金委員素梅：那你認為做得好不好？"],["花次長敬群：大家當然都是盡力，我們都很努力在做，而且新住民……"],["高金委員素梅：那你覺得有沒有需要改進或者改善的地方？"],["花次長敬群：其實我想新住民現階段在臺灣的生活還是得到相當大的國人的支持……"],["高金委員素梅：因為您剛剛說只有10億啊！發展基金10億啊！"],["花次長敬群：除了各部會的相關資源之外，我們另外又額外加了10億……"],["高金委員素梅：其他各部會的資源……"],["花次長敬群：就像新住民申請租金補貼、社會住宅……"],["高金委員素梅：其他各部會的資源……"],["花次長敬群：我另外都會給啊！"],["高金委員素梅：請你不要跟我辯論好不好？"],["花次長敬群：我不是跟你辯論，我是跟你說明。"],["高金委員素梅：因為就是非常的不滿足，所以今天那麼多委員，包括民眾黨、包括國民黨才會提出新住民基本法草案嘛！"],["花次長敬群：是！"],["高金委員素梅：你剛剛講得「躼躼長」，講了這麼多，如果今天政府真的做得好的話，我們需要在這邊討論這個問題嗎？應該不用吧！所以一定是有做不好的部分嘛！你應該說「我們虛心檢討」，然後因為蔡英文總統對新住民有承諾，所以「我們努力改進」，你應該是這樣講啊！"],["花次長敬群：我們持續地在滾動檢討，對！"],["高金委員素梅：你一點都不謙卑耶！我先給你譴責一下！"],["花次長敬群：不會、不會，我們真的是很認真地在瞭解。"],["高金委員素梅：好吧！我再給你一點時間，你再改正、修正一下你的說法。需不需要修正？"],["花次長敬群：我覺得做不好的當然要再補強。"],["高金委員素梅：好，很好，那你覺得哪一些做不好？"],["花次長敬群：我想這就需要大家再多給我們一些……"],["高金委員素梅：你自己都沒感覺喔！"],["花次長敬群：我們內部當然有做一些討論。"],["高金委員素梅：政府都沒感覺是做得好或做不好？"],["花次長敬群：政府有非常多的掌握，但是我想有沒有嚴重到需要立基本法……"],["高金委員素梅：那你們掌握，有沒有去修正呢？"],["花次長敬群：我覺得有沒有嚴重到……"],["高金委員素梅：我沒有跟你講基本法，在沒有基本法之前你覺得有沒有修正？"],["花次長敬群：我們當然持續在滾動檢討當中啊！"],["高金委員素梅：花次長，你很油腔滑調，我不喜歡這樣的次長！"],["花次長敬群：不是，委員，如果有哪一個部分具體沒有做好，我們當然改。"],["高金委員素梅：我的質詢一向是非常的理性，所以你認為有沒有繼續改善的空間？"],["花次長敬群：當然有、當然有。"],["高金委員素梅：好，根據我們看到的，我就講幾個，新住民培力發展資訊網和新住民數位資訊網有六種語言版本，可是移民署最重要，你們的網站幾乎是國際平臺，而你們的新住民發展基金平臺的申請表格和說明文件只有中文，需不需要改進？所以在語言部分你們非常的不友善啊！光是語言的部分，你們就非常的不友善啊！是不是需要改進？"],["花次長敬群：我想如果說……"],["高金委員素梅：移民署的代表有沒有來？"],["花次長敬群：署長在這邊。"],["高金委員素梅：對啊！你為什麼不說話呢？"],["鐘署長景琨：謝謝委員垂詢，基金的部分……"],["高金委員素梅：不要浪費我的時間！"],["鐘署長景琨：是，基金的部分，主要是中央……"],["高金委員素梅：你們的申請表跟說明文件只有中文，你們覺得是不是需要按照蔡總統說的要有六種語言？"],["鐘署長景琨：是，這個部分我說明一下……"],["高金委員素梅：要不要改進？"],["鐘署長景琨：最主要是中央、地方政府機關及NGO團體在申請，是國內的申請。"],["高金委員素梅：要不要改進、需不需要改進？"],["鐘署長景琨：是，這個部分我們再做討論好了。"],["高金委員素梅：這樣就好了嘛！我覺得今天的官員很奇怪，你們的態度真的是讓我們非常的不喜歡。你不要回答，我還沒有請你回答，謝謝。我再請問次長，如果中文聽不懂的新住民，這個時候、此時此刻立法院正在直播，我請問一下，我們正在討論他們的權益，你認為他們會聽得懂嗎？所以在語言的環境上，是不是你們需要再加強努力呢？"],["花次長敬群：當然是，如果能夠多一點傳遞，當然更好。"],["高金委員素梅：好，謝謝你。我們聽一下最關心人權的人權委員會是怎麼表示的，去年的消除一切形式種族歧視國際公約國家報告中，國家人權委員會特別針對我們的政府對於新住民的施政提出的批評有幾點，不是我講的喔，是國家人權委員會的書面所提的，第一個，在通譯制度上，我們的政府沒有積極推動和建置符合新住民需求的通譯服務。第二個，在境外結婚面談的政策上，哪些國家的人民會被要求面談，沒有明確的衡量標準，這導致新住民不知所措。第三個，新住民遭受種族歧視，內政部申訴審議小組的申訴管道資訊非常不明確，也沒有提供多國語言，這等於是政府帶頭再一次的歧視新住民。而我會這麼樣的關注新住民的權益，我在今天還特別排了新住民基本法的審查，是因為原住民族跟新住民是一樣的，都是我們政府在選前的時候非常重視，然後選後就拋棄的族群。","所以花次長還有署長，我在這裡真的提醒你們，因為你們做不好，包括國家人權委員會都已經告訴你們有那麼多要改進的地方，你們還不虛心檢討嗎？"],["花次長敬群：報告委員，其實我們都不斷地持續在精進。"],["高金委員素梅：更何況今天沒有行政院版本。"],["花次長敬群：關於剛剛委員提到的通譯制度，其實在去年12月21號已經核定新的精進方案，其實也做了非常多，當然境外面談基本上是外交部在執行，這個部分內政部不便多說，也就是說……"],["高金委員素梅：那你覺得身為一個政府是不是橫向聯繫時都要把這些提出來講？這才是政府，政府是一體的，不要告訴我內政部有你們的工作……"],["花次長敬群：我們都在不斷地發覺問題、改善問題……"],["高金委員素梅：然後教育部有教育部的工作、移民署有移民署的工作……"],["花次長敬群：我們絕對不會逃避問題，當然……"],["高金委員素梅：好，絕對不會逃避問題，蔡政府剩下最後一個月了，請問你們如何逃避2019年蔡英文總統曾經承諾過我們的新住民？"],["花次長敬群：這幾年來其實……"],["高金委員素梅：態度的問題！"],["花次長敬群：一直都在努力，也都在精進，其實我們態度從來都是謙卑而努力的。"],["高金委員素梅：如果今天有精進、努力，代表新住民的立法委員麥玉珍委員就不會想要提出新住民基本法了。"],["花次長敬群：並不是說沒有行政院版的基本法就代表行政院不重視新住民，我認為這樣講不公平……"],["高金委員素梅：那你認為應該怎麼樣才是重視？"],["花次長敬群：如果說有看到問題、提出問題，我們解決問題，這才是重要。"],["高金委員素梅：好，你現在看到什麼問題了？"],["花次長敬群：我想委員要來提這個版本，你一定有什麼重要的問題需要政府來……"],["高金委員素梅：今天你來這裡要處理新住民基本法，你認為有什麼問題？"],["花次長敬群：我覺得就是要來好好溝通，到底新住民基本法是用立法的方式，還是用核心問題處理的方式……"],["高金委員素梅：花次長，你很油腔滑調，我們不太喜歡這樣子……"],["花次長敬群：我覺得大家不需要用油腔滑調來說別人，因為大家都是很努力地在做事情。"],["高金委員素梅：我們不太喜歡這樣子的公務人員及次長！我們不太希望，不要以為你一個月之後也許還在這個位置或也許會不在就用這樣的態度，今天本席、召委就排，待會好好聽你們來說明，謝謝。"],["花次長敬群：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝高金素梅委員。","下一位請張宏陸委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":448,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-15-15","speakers":["高金素梅","蘇巧慧","麥玉珍","牛煦庭","張智倫","張宏陸","黃建賓","許宇甄","王美惠","黃捷","丁學忠","李柏毅","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:18,521\n除了各部會的相關資源之外,我們另外又額外加了11。就像新住民申請住民補貼、社會住宅,我另外也會給。因為就是非常的不滿足,所以今天那麼多委員,包括民眾黨、包括國民黨,才會提出新住民基本法案。\n\n7\n00:02:19,321 --> 00:02:23,542\n審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n\n8\n00:02:47,846 --> 00:02:49,010\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n\n9\n00:02:52,042 --> 00:02:57,263\n我想這就需要大家再多給我們一些方式我們內部當然有做一些討論政府非常多的掌握但是我想有沒有嚴重到需要去修正啊我們當然持續滾動啊在檢討當中啊不是我也有如果有哪一個部分具體沒有做好我們當然敢當然有當然有\n\n10\n00:03:21,810 --> 00:03:50,609\n根據我們可以看到我就講幾個新住民賠利發展資訊網和新住民的數位資訊網有六種語言版本可是移民署你們最重要你們的網站幾乎是國際平台你們的新住民發展基金平台申請表格和說明文件只有中文需不要改進所以語言的部分你們非常的不友善啊光是講語言的部分你就非常的不友善啊\n\n11\n00:03:51,946 --> 00:04:12,157\n是否需要改進?移民署的代表有沒有來?你為什麼不說話呢?不要浪費我的時間,你們的申請表跟說明文件只有中文,你們覺得是不是需要按照蔡總統要有六種語言?\n\n12\n00:04:13,497 --> 00:04:26,584\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n\n13\n00:04:39,173 --> 00:04:54,339\n此時此刻立法院正在直播我請問一下我們正在討論他們的權益你認為他們會聽得懂嗎所以在語言的環境上是不是我們需要再加強努力呢當然是如果說能夠多一點傳遞當然更好我們聽一下\n\n14\n00:04:58,382 --> 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在通譯制度上,我們的政府沒有積極推動和建制符合新住民需求的通譯服務。在境外結婚的面談政策上,哪些國家人民會被要求面談,沒有明確的衡量標準,導致新住民不知所措?\n341683\t367993\t新住民遭受種族歧視內政部申訴審議小組的申訴管道的資訊非常不明確也沒有提供多國的語言這等於政府帶頭再一次的歧視新住民而我會這麼樣的關注新住民的權益我在今天還特別排了新住民基本法的審查是因為原住民族跟新住民是一樣的\n369513\t390383\t當時我們的政府在選前的時候非常重視然後選後了之後就拋棄了族群所以花次長還有署長在這裡真的提醒你們因為你們做不好包括國家人權委員會都已經告訴你們有那麼多的改進的地方你們還不虛心檢討嗎更何況今天沒有行政院版本\n397045\t422504\t我們其實關於剛委員提到的通緯制度其實在去年12月21號已經核定新的經濟方案其實也做了非常多那當然境外面談基本上是外交部在執行這個部分當然內政部不便多說啦那你覺得身為一個政府是不是橫向聯繫都要把這些都提出來講呢這才是政府政府是一體的不要告訴我你內政部有內政部通訪然後教育部有改善問題嗎我們絕對不會逃避問題啊\n426287\t435696\t絕對不會逃避問題蔡政府剩下最後一個月了請問你們如何逃避2019年蔡英文總統曾經承諾我們的新住民過\n438360\t456689\t這幾年來其實一直都在努力、都在精進,其實我們態度從來都在深刻努力的。如果今天有精進努力,代表新住民的立法委員、蔓越真委員都會想要提出我們來研究新住民的基本法。並不是說沒有行政院版的基本法就代表行政院不重視新住民。那你認為應該怎麼樣才重視?那你認為應該怎麼樣才重視?如果說有看到問題、提出問題、我們解決問題,這才是重要的。好,你現在看到什麼問題了?\n461650\t467639\t我想委員要來提這個版本你一定有什麼重要的問題需要政府來提那你認為今天你要來這裡要處理新住民的基本法你認為有什麼問題\n472540\t473221\t審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n","txt":"謝謝大家我在這邊非常的有感蔓依珍委員她的陳述尤其她是代表新住民的代表進入大立法院所以她對這個議題一定是很熟悉而且在基層上她一定是看到碰到非常多的問題尤其是家暴的問題依珍你要加油你在台灣這一段歷程我們看到了辛苦你了加油好繼續我們請一下花次長次長有請\n實際上我先說在2019年的時候蔡總統非常地重視這個新住民所以她特別用六種語言向新住民尋求支持然後我們也可以看到她的人數根據我們的內政部、移民署、教育部、勞動部統計我們的外籍配偶有59萬3千餘人大專院校境外生大概10萬3千多人\n案。 外國專業人員5萬4千多人,一共75萬6千餘人,總數151萬人,可以看到這151萬人就是我們所有的政治人物或政黨很想要吸取的人數。所以在2019年的時候,蔡英文總統為了要競選連任,所以她推出廣告用6種語言,\n案。 向我們的新住民尋求支持。玉珍委員在這邊質詢的時候也曾經講過。請問一下蔡政府任內已經不到一個月了。你給蔡政府的對新住民的政策總體打幾分?\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n除了各部會的相關資源之外,我們另外又額外加了11。就像新住民申請住民補貼、社會住宅,我另外也會給。因為就是非常的不滿足,所以今天那麼多委員,包括民眾黨、包括國民黨,才會提出新住民基本法案。\n審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n我想這就需要大家再多給我們一些方式我們內部當然有做一些討論政府非常多的掌握但是我想有沒有嚴重到需要去修正啊我們當然持續滾動啊在檢討當中啊不是 我也有如果有哪一個部分具體沒有做好我們當然敢當然有 當然有\n根據我們可以看到我就講幾個新住民賠利發展資訊網和新住民的數位資訊網有六種語言版本可是移民署你們最重要你們的網站幾乎是國際平台你們的新住民發展基金平台申請表格和說明文件只有中文需不要改進所以語言的部分你們非常的不友善啊光是講語言的部分你就非常的不友善啊\n是否需要改進?移民署的代表有沒有來?你為什麼不說話呢?不要浪費我的時間,你們的申請表跟說明文件只有中文,你們覺得是不是需要按照蔡總統要有六種語言?\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n此時此刻立法院正在直播我請問一下我們正在討論他們的權益你認為他們會聽得懂嗎所以在語言的環境上是不是我們需要再加強努力呢當然是如果說能夠多一點傳遞當然更好我們聽一下\n最關心人權的人權委員會他們是怎麼說的他在去年說消除一切形式種族歧視國際公約國家報告中國家人權委員會特別針對我們的政府對於新住民的施政提出了批評有幾點第一個不是我講的這是國家人權委員會他的書面說的\n案。 在通譯制度上,我們的政府沒有積極推動和建制符合新住民需求的通譯服務。在境外結婚的面談政策上,哪些國家人民會被要求面談,沒有明確的衡量標準,導致新住民不知所措?\n新住民遭受種族歧視內政部申訴審議小組的申訴管道的資訊非常不明確也沒有提供多國的語言這等於政府帶頭再一次的歧視新住民而我會這麼樣的關注新住民的權益我在今天還特別排了新住民基本法的審查是因為原住民族跟新住民是一樣的\n當時我們的政府在選前的時候非常重視然後選後了之後就拋棄了族群所以花次長還有署長在這裡真的提醒你們因為你們做不好包括國家人權委員會都已經告訴你們有那麼多的改進的地方你們還不虛心檢討嗎更何況今天沒有行政院版本\n我們其實關於剛委員提到的通緯制度其實在去年12月21號已經核定新的經濟方案其實也做了非常多那當然境外面談基本上是外交部在執行這個部分當然內政部不便多說啦那你覺得身為一個政府是不是橫向聯繫都要把這些都提出來講呢這才是政府政府是一體的不要告訴我你內政部有內政部通訪然後教育部有改善問題嗎我們絕對不會逃避問題啊\n絕對不會逃避問題蔡政府剩下最後一個月了請問你們如何逃避2019年蔡英文總統曾經承諾我們的新住民過\n這幾年來其實一直都在努力、都在精進,其實我們態度從來都在深刻努力的。如果今天有精進努力,代表新住民的立法委員、蔓越真委員都會想要提出我們來研究新住民的基本法。並不是說沒有行政院版的基本法就代表行政院不重視新住民。那你認為應該怎麼樣才重視?那你認為應該怎麼樣才重視?如果說有看到問題、提出問題、我們解決問題,這才是重要的。好,你現在看到什麼問題了?\n我想委員要來提這個版本你一定有什麼重要的問題需要政府來提那你認為今天你要來這裡要處理新住民的基本法你認為有什麼問題\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.729 --> 00:26.377\n謝謝大家我在這邊非常的有感蔓依珍委員她的陳述尤其她是代表新住民的代表進入大立法院所以她對這個議題一定是很熟悉而且在基層上她一定是看到碰到非常多的問題尤其是家暴的問題依珍你要加油你在台灣這一段歷程我們看到了辛苦你了加油好繼續我們請一下花次長次長有請\n\n00:29.745 --> 00:58.479\n實際上我先說在2019年的時候蔡總統非常地重視這個新住民所以她特別用六種語言向新住民尋求支持然後我們也可以看到她的人數根據我們的內政部、移民署、教育部、勞動部統計我們的外籍配偶有59萬3千餘人大專院校境外生大概10萬3千多人\n\n00:59.119 --> 01:22.900\n案。外國專業人員5萬4千多人,一共75萬6千餘人,總數151萬人,可以看到這151萬人就是我們所有的政治人物或政黨很想要吸取的人數。所以在2019年的時候,蔡英文總統為了要競選連任,所以她推出廣告用6種語言,\n\n01:24.241 --> 01:36.357\n案。向我們的新住民尋求支持。玉珍委員在這邊質詢的時候也曾經講過。請問一下蔡政府任內已經不到一個月了。你給蔡政府的對新住民的政策總體打幾分?\n\n01:38.110 --> 01:38.630\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n\n01:54.969 --> 02:18.521\n除了各部會的相關資源之外,我們另外又額外加了11。就像新住民申請住民補貼、社會住宅,我另外也會給。因為就是非常的不滿足,所以今天那麼多委員,包括民眾黨、包括國民黨,才會提出新住民基本法案。\n\n02:19.321 --> 02:23.542\n審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n\n02:47.846 --> 02:49.010\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n\n02:52.042 --> 02:57.263\n我想這就需要大家再多給我們一些方式我們內部當然有做一些討論政府非常多的掌握但是我想有沒有嚴重到需要去修正啊我們當然持續滾動啊在檢討當中啊不是我也有如果有哪一個部分具體沒有做好我們當然敢當然有當然有\n\n03:21.810 --> 03:50.609\n根據我們可以看到我就講幾個新住民賠利發展資訊網和新住民的數位資訊網有六種語言版本可是移民署你們最重要你們的網站幾乎是國際平台你們的新住民發展基金平台申請表格和說明文件只有中文需不要改進所以語言的部分你們非常的不友善啊光是講語言的部分你就非常的不友善啊\n\n03:51.946 --> 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