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00:01:15,599\n是不是應該要在我們這邊來做一個嚴肅的討論但是我們先就一點就身份來討論的話也有很多委員的版本到底現在在台灣新住民人口有多少我們要怎麼定義那未來這個新住民基本法或者是新住民權益法它保障到多少人我們先來做一個討論\n\n4\n00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:39,267\n審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住\n\n5\n00:01:44,417 --> 00:01:44,737\n案。審查委員\n\n6\n00:02:00,555 --> 00:02:08,977\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案件\n\n7\n00:02:23,308 --> 00:02:37,391\n大家希望什麼希望說比如說這個新住民媽媽或新住民家庭他去到去公所他需要什麼樣的服務的時候我們可以給予什麼樣的服務包含語言\n\n8\n00:02:38,385 --> 00:02:39,085\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n\n9\n00:03:01,331 --> 00:03:30,229\n審查委員羅美玲等21人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n\n10\n00:03:30,669 --> 00:03:57,514\n我想最後再跟花次討論一個有趣的議題就是面對少子化、面對高房價少子化跟高房價很奇怪、很弔詭都反方向但是少子化有一個目前我知道教育部已經在推動可能高中、大學都會有一些可能我們會來自東南亞甚至其他國家的學生進來我們大學並且放寬他們可以建教的時數\n\n11\n00:03:58,954 --> 00:04:08,586\n未來它可能是我們移民署的可能會進入我們這個移民政策的範圍之一花次請問你對這一個政策方向的看法\n\n12\n00:04:09,229 --> 00:04:25,074\n我想透過在台灣受教育進而跟台灣社會相融合這是一個很棒的移民切入的角度所以很可能這個方向我們在未來幾年會繼續來進進我尊重教育部因為這個部分不是我們內政部的但是你說是很棒的移民政策我也覺得很好這個我們會樂觀其成會繼續的來推動會繼續的看有什麼方式可以來推動\n\n13\n00:04:32,697 --> 00:04:50,036\n案,大量引進可能這個大概在高中大學階段各國優秀的人才可以進入到台灣變成台灣未來的可能是高階人才這個是我們可以一起來努力的方向最後有一個目前我們對於中國的\n\n14\n00:04:53,632 --> 00:05:05,142\n案。中國新住民或美國、英國、日本等新住民的高階學歷認證。請教育部中生教育司司長及外交部條約法律司。\n\n15\n00:05:18,922 --> 00:05:41,028\n有有有中生教育師師長謝謝來我簡述一下我快速的說明一下我的問題就是說目前包含中國跟美英的這些可能新住民他們來到台灣他們的學歷認證那對於中國以及美日德等\n\n16\n00:05:41,630 --> 00:05:42,331\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n\n17\n00:06:02,189 --> 00:06:11,477\n審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n\n18\n00:06:32,014 --> 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及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n392014\t397705\t報告委員我們所有的國家包含東南亞還有歐美國家我們都會提供這樣的服務沒有問題\n","txt":"我們請花次跟署長,謝謝。也請花次跟莊署長,謝謝。委員好。謝謝次長。上個禮拜本來要跟你討論一些住宅的政策,今天馬上就是跟你討論這個。我覺得有一點點移民政策的味道,但是是為了新住民的權益,來討論這個新住民的這個基本法,或者是權益法。\n我們來就這個就教因為包含民運黨團裡面羅美玲委員跟蘇巧惠委員分別也都有提出剛才蘇巧惠委員也有說他有被你說服啦那包含民眾黨團跟國民黨團其實都有提出代表台灣這個社會上對於新住民的存在他們的權益或他們的基本權益\n是不是應該要在我們這邊來做一個嚴肅的討論但是我們先就一點就身份來討論的話也有很多委員的版本到底現在在台灣新住民人口有多少我們要怎麼定義那未來這個新住民基本法或者是新住民權益法它保障到多少人我們先來做一個討論\n審查委員張智倫等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住\n案。 審查委員\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案件\n大家希望什麼 希望說 比如說這個新住民媽媽或新住民家庭他去到 去公所 他需要什麼樣的服務的時候我們可以給予什麼樣的服務包含語言\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n審查委員羅美玲等21人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案\n我想最後再跟花次討論一個有趣的議題就是面對少子化、面對高房價少子化跟高房價很奇怪、很弔詭都反方向但是少子化有一個目前我知道教育部已經在推動可能高中、大學都會有一些可能我們會來自東南亞甚至其他國家的學生進來我們大學並且放寬他們可以建教的時數\n未來它可能是我們移民署的可能會進入我們這個移民政策的範圍之一花次請問你對這一個政策方向的看法\n我想透過在台灣受教育進而跟台灣社會相融合這是一個很棒的移民切入的角度所以很可能這個方向我們在未來幾年會繼續來進進我尊重教育部因為這個部分不是我們內政部的但是你說是很棒的移民政策我也覺得很好這個我們會樂觀其成會繼續的來推動會繼續的看有什麼方式可以來推動\n案,大量引進可能這個大概在高中大學階段各國優秀的人才可以進入到台灣變成台灣未來的可能是高階人才這個是我們可以一起來努力的方向最後有一個目前我們對於中國的\n案。 中國新住民或美國、英國、日本等新住民的高階學歷認證。請教育部中生教育司司長及外交部條約法律司。\n有有有中生教育師師長謝謝來我簡述一下我快速的說明一下我的問題就是說目前包含中國跟美英的這些可能新住民他們來到台灣他們的學歷認證那對於中國以及美日德等\n審查委員羅美玲等18人擬具\n審查委員羅美玲等22人擬具:「新住民權益保障法草案案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件 及新住民權益保障法草案案件\n報告委員我們所有的國家包含東南亞還有歐美國家我們都會提供這樣的服務沒有問題\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 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