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00:03:00,630\n幾乎是沒有。對,就是他的保護人要來盡責。那這樣的話,我們行政單位或者是選警單位有什麼補強的地方?說這個比較清楚啦。對啦。那個跟藍綠有沒有關係啦,跟意識形態沒關係,就是天天在發生的,常常在發生,有沒有什麼好方法?\n\n9\n00:03:02,755 --> 00:03:20,595\n這個一方面當然就是說所謂的他的保護者的這種情形那如果說保護者沒有辦法達到做到這個保護的話那這個部分的話就是要有機會讓他至少能夠通報出來\n\n10\n00:03:22,356 --> 00:03:43,769\n我們經常看到就是母親帶著小孩子,但是他又另外有一個同居人,同居人要對這個做侵害,所以母親就會沒有辦法去做這個保護的事情。但是至少要讓他能夠通報出來,把小孩子移開,不要再放在這個家庭裡面。\n\n11\n00:03:44,970 --> 00:03:51,453\n所以這個後續,這真的是一個網,這個網是非常非常重要。我們這個兒少現在這個是保護又歸到衛務部來,那衛務部本身你又沒有公權力,\n\n12\n00:04:01,757 --> 00:04:17,327\n檢警單位又……應該是公權力是有啦,但是有許多強制力是比較有不足啦。那這檢調都推來推去,因為主責是你們齁,不像加拿大,加拿大是由警政來主責。那我們就檢方親來親去都在搜集你們,所以你們有辦法\n\n13\n00:04:22,875 --> 00:04:29,163\n議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n14\n00:04:39,142 --> 00:05:08,017\n這個部分當然我們目前也這個法也正要修嘛那這方面當然是可以但是在實務運作上面的話恐怕法律在怎麼樣定都沒有辦法定的非常的仔細還是變成是要有一些這種執法規或者是說一個協調的一個機制來處理啦不然你覺得稍微大法律比較頂都頂不住啦\n\n15\n00:05:11,192 --> 00:05:29,338\n我們今天禮拜三要修法的四個方向第一個就是加重刑責第二個是簡化封網的流程該封就馬上封然後第三個就是復會的觀賞兒少影像加重刑責\n\n16\n00:05:31,038 --> 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