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00:02:19,789\n每個世代都有自己的文化的喜好跟自己的發展的沒有這個基本上這樣子都找不到答案你知道我在做諮詢顧問的時候我都對大企業老闆那大企業的董事長就基本上要先接受問題要接受問題不然像這樣子回答永遠是鬼打牆因為所有的事情都有原因都無法解決\n\n7\n00:02:21,789 --> 00:02:48,226\n好這個次長我也希望因為那個幾次的詢問我覺得你都很會回答那回答到讓我們就是好像會有一點就是反正你也都在做事我剛才講我是要幫助幫助你們的那我並沒有包括很多事情我知道大家都很專業而且很辛苦但是我們希望把事情做得更好我這裡也跟次長講一點\n\n8\n00:02:50,907 --> 00:03:09,093\n這個上個禮拜五那個壯世代政治及產業發展促進會在立法院成立了你知道嗎你知道這事情知道恭喜委員對那我要講這個主要的目的是這個有63個立委加入成為會員3個黨的黨鞭都成為副會長\n\n9\n00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:14,815\n那文化部怎麼自己看待這件事情呢?\n\n10\n00:03:40,919 --> 00:03:41,520\n吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員\n\n11\n00:03:52,964 --> 00:03:53,044\n吳春城議員\n\n12\n00:04:11,589 --> 00:04:26,497\n你真的這樣子很會轉這個當然就是文化部的事情嘛我們的文化這個叫做高齡化要轉型這個已經不曉得上講了多少次了然後一直轉轉轉那文化部就不接求嘛不接求這個問題就無解嘛好那個接下來啦文化部看到這個指標這個數據的嘛指\n\n13\n00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:56,799\n直線下降雪崩式的出版業嘛這個還需要講嗎這就是出版業的冬天嘛我很多朋友的出版業的嘛大家都過得非常辛苦嘛是紙本書的衰退我們有看到對對對所以有這些問題嘛我們現在只是用這些補助啊讀書館採購這個沒辦法根本解決問題嘛\n\n14\n00:05:01,567 --> 00:05:14,239\n那現在出版業也是這樣子啦就是出了很多書啦然後還有說最近我看一個新聞有萬本的書籍直接送分化讀啦所以出版業憑感覺出書\n\n15\n00:05:20,289 --> 00:05:36,885\n這裡數據也可以看得到每一個世代的數據這數據就是最低了吧60歲以上的過半都沒有在看書啦那到底是他們不看書還是沒有滿足他們的市場文化部應該要去理解啦\n\n16\n00:05:39,851 --> 00:05:59,270\n日本當然有很多啦,不過這個也跳過但是我們看提供這個我們到書局看的大概就是這一類的書籍給60歲以上的啦都是這種想像,市場沒有想像,沒有內容創作局限所以產業發展當然都很局限嘛\n\n17\n00:06:00,872 --> 00:06:09,885\n那我這裡也給次長看一下啦就為什麼會這樣子因為都停留在引法思維裡面包括\n\n18\n00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:38,787\n文化部也是銀髮思維啦那這我已經講過如果你用文字雲下去你輸入銀髮高領出來的文字雲圖就是這樣子大概就是我們看到如果你輸入壯世代就是這樣子啦落差非常的都是時尚、社會、時感、參與嘛那這樣子就是我們的文化部到底是在做哪一方面的事情你當然你現在站著所以你就沒有市場嘛你所做的事情不是他想要的嘛\n\n19\n00:06:40,543 --> 00:07:06,074\n那壯世代想要什麼東西這裡提供你參考inputoutput他事實上有很多面很多面想要很精緻的體驗壯世代是比年輕世代更精緻的更精緻的更需要意義的很深入的文化水準的我們不要把它當作當作垃圾要把它倒掉把它倒掉的一個心態現在可以做的事情\n\n20\n00:07:09,332 --> 00:07:36,181\n現在我正在進行我希望文化部能夠跑在我前面壯世代的80項需求調查你現在如果用GPD輸入幾乎都是引法族的思維我們對這個世代太陌生而且太刻板印象了認知系統大大的失靈完全不符合這個世代但是自己都身在其中都不願意去調整和修改這件事情文化部一定要先調整\n\n21\n00:07:37,341 --> 00:07:46,280\n我剛才講了這件事情我一定會追蹤到底而且文化部列為所要所要追蹤的目標要去扛起這件事情的責任次長可不可以\n\n22\n00:07:47,315 --> 00:08:09,023\n我想還是再次說明針對高齡世代的需求應該是所有部會的責任那文化部會站在文化部的業務內容裡面跟業務立場上面來做演繹跟從你真的是完全聽不懂聽不懂在講什麼完全聽不懂我跟你講說這就是文化認知文化認知已經錯誤的時候所有的部會就開始跟著錯誤嘛\n\n23\n00:08:10,003 --> 00:08:37,874\n包括人民的師現在做這一個調查行為的調查我們針對60歲以上的數據調查幾乎是一片空白所以呢現在告訴你我是在幫助你的出版業之東用你用什麼樣的方式這裡有一塊大的市場800萬的人沒有這份的滿足然後呢這裡就是一個大的市場文化部要去導引這個方向嘛\n\n24\n00:08:39,692 --> 00:08:59,059\n所以現在文化部也有提到但是我希望不要敷衍大家都認真想要做事情不要做敷衍不要做敷衍把壯世代的閱讀需求我這裡請文化部承諾三個月內提出鼓勵壯世代的群體提升閱讀意願的政策規劃\n\n25\n00:09:00,439 --> 00:09:21,108\n如何提升剛才講50%過半以上的沒有在讀書那你就放棄他們嗎還是認為他們告訴你剛才講哪一個世代壯世代就是我們叫做文青世代文青世代每一個人都想當作家每一個人夢想夢幻都當作家那時候的文化水準非常高現在直接把它當垃圾丟掉\n\n26\n00:09:22,608 --> 00:09:42,757\n請他們不是不讀書而是沒有需求他們的這是文化部要扛的責任不要再推給什麼各部會了請文化部提出如何提升狀態閱讀意願的政策規劃第二點請出版業供需調查納入狀態的閱讀需求三個月內提出請問次長可不可以\n\n27\n00:09:43,541 --> 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output他事實上有很多面很多面想要很精緻的體驗壯世代是比年輕世代更精緻的更精緻的更需要意義的很深入的文化水準的我們不要把它當作當作垃圾要把它倒掉把它倒掉的一個心態現在可以做的事情\n429332\t456181\t現在我正在進行我希望文化部能夠跑在我前面壯世代的80項需求調查你現在如果用GPD輸入幾乎都是引法族的思維我們對這個世代太陌生而且太刻板印象了認知系統大大的失靈完全不符合這個世代但是自己都身在其中都不願意去調整和修改這件事情文化部一定要先調整\n457341\t466280\t我剛才講了這件事情我一定會追蹤到底而且文化部列為所要所要追蹤的目標要去扛起這件事情的責任次長可不可以\n467315\t489023\t我想還是再次說明針對高齡世代的需求應該是所有部會的責任那文化部會站在文化部的業務內容裡面跟業務立場上面來做演繹跟從你真的是完全聽不懂聽不懂在講什麼完全聽不懂我跟你講說這就是文化認知文化認知已經錯誤的時候所有的部會就開始跟著錯誤嘛\n490003\t517874\t包括人民的師現在做這一個調查行為的調查我們針對60歲以上的數據調查幾乎是一片空白所以呢現在告訴你我是在幫助你的出版業之東用你用什麼樣的方式這裡有一塊大的市場800萬的人沒有這份的滿足然後呢這裡就是一個大的市場文化部要去導引這個方向嘛\n519692\t539059\t所以現在文化部也有提到但是我希望不要敷衍大家都認真想要做事情不要做敷衍不要做敷衍把壯世代的閱讀需求我這裡請文化部承諾三個月內提出鼓勵壯世代的群體提升閱讀意願的政策規劃\n540439\t561108\t如何提升剛才講50%過半以上的沒有在讀書那你就放棄他們嗎還是認為他們告訴你剛才講哪一個世代壯世代就是我們叫做文青世代文青世代每一個人都想當作家每一個人夢想夢幻都當作家那時候的文化水準非常高現在直接把它當垃圾丟掉\n562608\t582757\t請他們不是不讀書而是沒有需求他們的這是文化部要扛的責任不要再推給什麼各部會了請文化部提出如何提升狀態閱讀意願的政策規劃第二點請出版業供需調查納入狀態的閱讀需求三個月內提出請問次長可不可以\n583541\t583841\t好,謝謝,謝謝兩位接下來我們請羅廷為委員\n","txt":"王次長次長好\n那個我今天要我覺得我每次來質詢我不是來質詢你們我是來幫助你們所以希望你們能夠聽下去這是以前我在商界做質詢顧問收費是很高的那我說免費質詢這個提供的建議的確是我也很用心所以希望我們行政部門能夠聽進去\n職本的出版書店的確面臨很大的考驗因為閱讀習慣的改變有什麼拯救之道?\n我們目前大概就是一方面是結合這個圖書館的採購跟電子閱讀的這個服務來提升閱讀習慣另外就是獨立書店其實鼓勵大家養成閱讀習慣我想是一個重要的起步那個就是讀者嘛讀者大量減少嘛主要原因出在這裡嘛根本沒有那些那些大家被線上的這些影音所吸引\n市長 我問你 你覺得我們的文化水準是越來越高還是越來越低就台灣自己的文化內容來說肯定是發展的越來越好的所以這個有本土文化越來越好不是本土文化是以台灣整體為基礎包括台灣自己的也包括跟國際交流的那你覺得哪一個世代的文化水準比較高\n每個世代都有自己的文化的喜好跟自己的發展的沒有這個基本上這樣子都找不到答案你知道我在做諮詢顧問的時候我都對大企業老闆那大企業的董事長就基本上要先接受問題要接受問題不然像這樣子回答永遠是鬼打牆因為所有的事情都有原因都無法解決\n好 這個次長我也希望因為那個幾次的詢問我覺得你都很會回答那回答到讓我們就是好像會有一點就是反正你也都在做事我剛才講我是要幫助幫助你們的那我並沒有包括很多事情我知道大家都很專業而且很辛苦但是我們希望把事情做得更好我這裡也跟次長講一點\n這個上個禮拜五那個壯世代政治及產業發展促進會在立法院成立了你知道嗎你知道這事情知道恭喜委員對那我要講這個主要的目的是這個有63個立委加入成為會員3個黨的黨鞭都成為副會長\n那文化部怎麼自己看待這件事情呢?\n吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員\n吳春城議員\n你真的這樣子很會轉這個當然就是文化部的事情嘛我們的文化這個叫做高齡化要轉型這個已經不曉得上講了多少次了然後一直轉轉轉那文化部就不接求嘛不接求這個問題就無解嘛好那個接下來啦文化部看到這個指標這個數據的嘛指\n直線下降 雪崩式的出版業嘛 這個還需要講嗎 這就是出版業的冬天嘛我很多朋友的出版業的嘛 大家都過得非常辛苦嘛是 紙本書的衰退我們有看到對對對 所以有這些問題嘛 我們現在只是用這些補助啊 讀書館採購 這個沒辦法根本解決問題嘛\n那現在出版業也是這樣子啦就是出了很多書啦然後還有說最近我看一個新聞有萬本的書籍直接送分化讀啦所以出版業憑感覺出書\n這裡數據也可以看得到每一個世代的數據這數據就是最低了吧60歲以上的過半都沒有在看書啦那到底是他們不看書還是沒有滿足他們的市場文化部應該要去理解啦\n日本當然有很多啦,不過這個也跳過但是我們看提供這個我們到書局看的大概就是這一類的書籍給60歲以上的啦都是這種想像,市場沒有想像,沒有內容創作局限所以產業發展當然都很局限嘛\n那我這裡也給次長看一下啦就為什麼會這樣子因為都停留在引法思維裡面包括\n文化部也是銀髮思維啦那這我已經講過如果你用文字雲下去你輸入銀髮高領出來的文字雲圖就是這樣子大概就是我們看到如果你輸入壯世代就是這樣子啦落差非常的都是時尚、社會、時感、參與嘛那這樣子就是我們的文化部到底是在做哪一方面的事情你當然你現在站著所以你就沒有市場嘛你所做的事情不是他想要的嘛\n那壯世代想要什麼東西這裡提供你參考 input output他事實上有很多面很多面想要很精緻的體驗壯世代是比年輕世代更精緻的更精緻的更需要意義的很深入的文化水準的我們不要把它當作當作垃圾要把它倒掉把它倒掉的一個心態現在可以做的事情\n現在我正在進行我希望文化部能夠跑在我前面壯世代的80項需求調查你現在如果用GPD輸入幾乎都是引法族的思維我們對這個世代太陌生而且太刻板印象了認知系統大大的失靈完全不符合這個世代但是自己都身在其中都不願意去調整和修改這件事情文化部一定要先調整\n我剛才講了這件事情我一定會追蹤到底而且文化部列為所要所要追蹤的目標要去扛起這件事情的責任次長可不可以\n我想還是再次說明針對高齡世代的需求應該是所有部會的責任那文化部會站在文化部的業務內容裡面跟業務立場上面來做演繹跟從你真的是完全聽不懂聽不懂在講什麼完全聽不懂我跟你講說這就是文化認知文化認知已經錯誤的時候所有的部會就開始跟著錯誤嘛\n包括人民的師現在做這一個調查行為的調查我們針對60歲以上的數據調查幾乎是一片空白所以呢現在告訴你我是在幫助你的出版業之東用你用什麼樣的方式這裡有一塊大的市場800萬的人沒有這份的滿足然後呢這裡就是一個大的市場文化部要去導引這個方向嘛\n所以現在文化部也有提到但是我希望不要敷衍大家都認真想要做事情不要做敷衍不要做敷衍把壯世代的閱讀需求我這裡請文化部承諾三個月內提出鼓勵壯世代的群體提升閱讀意願的政策規劃\n如何提升剛才講50%過半以上的沒有在讀書那你就放棄他們嗎還是認為他們告訴你剛才講哪一個世代壯世代就是我們叫做文青世代文青世代每一個人都想當作家每一個人夢想夢幻都當作家那時候的文化水準非常高現在直接把它當垃圾丟掉\n請他們不是不讀書而是沒有需求他們的這是文化部要扛的責任不要再推給什麼各部會了請文化部提出如何提升狀態閱讀意願的政策規劃第二點請出版業供需調查納入狀態的閱讀需求三個月內提出請問次長可不可以\n好,謝謝,謝謝兩位接下來我們請羅廷為委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.775 --> 00:06.937\n王次長次長好\n\n00:15.185 --> 00:39.619\n那個我今天要我覺得我每次來質詢我不是來質詢你們我是來幫助你們所以希望你們能夠聽下去這是以前我在商界做質詢顧問收費是很高的那我說免費質詢這個提供的建議的確是我也很用心所以希望我們行政部門能夠聽進去\n\n00:41.960 --> 00:45.666\n職本的出版書店的確面臨很大的考驗因為閱讀習慣的改變有什麼拯救之道?\n\n00:57.099 --> 01:24.327\n我們目前大概就是一方面是結合這個圖書館的採購跟電子閱讀的這個服務來提升閱讀習慣另外就是獨立書店其實鼓勵大家養成閱讀習慣我想是一個重要的起步那個就是讀者嘛讀者大量減少嘛主要原因出在這裡嘛根本沒有那些那些大家被線上的這些影音所吸引\n\n01:25.487 --> 01:51.314\n市長我問你你覺得我們的文化水準是越來越高還是越來越低就台灣自己的文化內容來說肯定是發展的越來越好的所以這個有本土文化越來越好不是本土文化是以台灣整體為基礎包括台灣自己的也包括跟國際交流的那你覺得哪一個世代的文化水準比較高\n\n01:52.518 --> 02:19.789\n每個世代都有自己的文化的喜好跟自己的發展的沒有這個基本上這樣子都找不到答案你知道我在做諮詢顧問的時候我都對大企業老闆那大企業的董事長就基本上要先接受問題要接受問題不然像這樣子回答永遠是鬼打牆因為所有的事情都有原因都無法解決\n\n02:21.789 --> 02:48.226\n好這個次長我也希望因為那個幾次的詢問我覺得你都很會回答那回答到讓我們就是好像會有一點就是反正你也都在做事我剛才講我是要幫助幫助你們的那我並沒有包括很多事情我知道大家都很專業而且很辛苦但是我們希望把事情做得更好我這裡也跟次長講一點\n\n02:50.907 --> 03:09.093\n這個上個禮拜五那個壯世代政治及產業發展促進會在立法院成立了你知道嗎你知道這事情知道恭喜委員對那我要講這個主要的目的是這個有63個立委加入成為會員3個黨的黨鞭都成為副會長\n\n03:12.734 --> 03:14.815\n那文化部怎麼自己看待這件事情呢?\n\n03:40.919 --> 03:41.520\n吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員\n\n03:52.964 --> 03:53.044\n吳春城議員\n\n04:11.589 --> 04:26.497\n你真的這樣子很會轉這個當然就是文化部的事情嘛我們的文化這個叫做高齡化要轉型這個已經不曉得上講了多少次了然後一直轉轉轉那文化部就不接求嘛不接求這個問題就無解嘛好那個接下來啦文化部看到這個指標這個數據的嘛指\n\n04:37.920 --> 04:56.799\n直線下降雪崩式的出版業嘛這個還需要講嗎這就是出版業的冬天嘛我很多朋友的出版業的嘛大家都過得非常辛苦嘛是紙本書的衰退我們有看到對對對所以有這些問題嘛我們現在只是用這些補助啊讀書館採購這個沒辦法根本解決問題嘛\n\n05:01.567 --> 05:14.239\n那現在出版業也是這樣子啦就是出了很多書啦然後還有說最近我看一個新聞有萬本的書籍直接送分化讀啦所以出版業憑感覺出書\n\n05:20.289 --> 05:36.885\n這裡數據也可以看得到每一個世代的數據這數據就是最低了吧60歲以上的過半都沒有在看書啦那到底是他們不看書還是沒有滿足他們的市場文化部應該要去理解啦\n\n05:39.851 --> 05:59.270\n日本當然有很多啦,不過這個也跳過但是我們看提供這個我們到書局看的大概就是這一類的書籍給60歲以上的啦都是這種想像,市場沒有想像,沒有內容創作局限所以產業發展當然都很局限嘛\n\n06:00.872 --> 06:09.885\n那我這裡也給次長看一下啦就為什麼會這樣子因為都停留在引法思維裡面包括\n\n06:11.241 --> 06:38.787\n文化部也是銀髮思維啦那這我已經講過如果你用文字雲下去你輸入銀髮高領出來的文字雲圖就是這樣子大概就是我們看到如果你輸入壯世代就是這樣子啦落差非常的都是時尚、社會、時感、參與嘛那這樣子就是我們的文化部到底是在做哪一方面的事情你當然你現在站著所以你就沒有市場嘛你所做的事情不是他想要的嘛\n\n06:40.543 --> 07:06.074\n那壯世代想要什麼東西這裡提供你參考inputoutput他事實上有很多面很多面想要很精緻的體驗壯世代是比年輕世代更精緻的更精緻的更需要意義的很深入的文化水準的我們不要把它當作當作垃圾要把它倒掉把它倒掉的一個心態現在可以做的事情\n\n07:09.332 --> 07:36.181\n現在我正在進行我希望文化部能夠跑在我前面壯世代的80項需求調查你現在如果用GPD輸入幾乎都是引法族的思維我們對這個世代太陌生而且太刻板印象了認知系統大大的失靈完全不符合這個世代但是自己都身在其中都不願意去調整和修改這件事情文化部一定要先調整\n\n07:37.341 --> 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