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Association（MPA）它們就是非常積極，在各國遊說行政機關對於盜版網站進行封網，也從不放棄這個作法，雖然明知封網只是治標，但該做的還是要去做，因為行政機關的封網其實是一個很簡單的設定，立即就可以生效，但是這些不法業者要更改網域，相較之下是比較麻煩的，他改10次，我們就封10次，那行政機關，我想聽到部長說：「你改100次，我就封100次。」有這樣子的決心嗎？部長。"],["薛部長瑞元：對，當然就是……但重點是我們要能夠主動去巡。"],["張委員嘉郡：是，這一點就是我想要提醒部長的，衛福部要怎麼樣第一時間知道呢？就是要怎麼樣第一時間知道這個網站又改名換姓了呢？部長，現在有沒有主動巡網的機制？"],["薛部長瑞元：目前沒有。"],["張委員嘉郡：目前沒有，對不對？"],["薛部長瑞元：對。"],["張委員嘉郡：所以我針對部長說想要委外主動巡網，在卸任前完成招標書，這一點我肯定部長是一個有承擔的人。但我想請問部長，網路的複雜及多樣性其實最需要的是借助眾多網友的力量，有沒有考慮開放檢舉，像環保違規、交通違規一樣，是不是可以由民眾檢舉，衛福部來查檢，或者是警政署來查檢？這樣子是不是比較快速？你又不用那麼多人力，然後又等於是人人都可以幫忙監督，如果這樣子的話，部長會考慮嗎？"],["薛部長瑞元：目前也有這個機制，我們影像處理中心就可以接受這種檢舉。"],["張委員嘉郡：你們可能要更多的廣宣才能讓大家知道他們是有權力可以檢舉的，否則其實很多民眾可能不曉得他有檢舉的管道或者是檢舉的權益，我想很多人都會願意去做這件事情，如果可以立刻做出裁處的話，這樣可能會比花錢委外的成效高很多，這一點也建議部長來參考。"],["薛部長瑞元：好，我們會廣為宣傳，我們再加強宣導。"],["張委員嘉郡：最後，如果有建置主動巡網機制之相關進程，請書面回復本席辦公室。"],["薛部長瑞元：好。"],["張委員嘉郡：謝謝部長。"],["薛部長瑞元：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張嘉郡委員。","接下來我們請楊瓊瓔委員進行質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":356,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-1-26,36-1","speakers":["王育敏","黃捷","蘇清泉","郭昱晴","葛如鈞","陳冠廷","李坤城","許宇甄","沈伯洋","王世堅","陳菁徽","王美惠","王鴻薇","張雅琳","何欣純","范雲","林思銘","林月琴","陳昭姿","廖偉翔","劉建國","黃國昌","林淑芬","陳俊宇","王正旭","邱鎮軍","黃秀芳","張嘉郡","楊瓊瓔","陳瑩","鍾佳濱","吳思瑤","陳亭妃","林宜瑾","吳沛憶","陳培瑜","李彥秀","蔡易餘","莊瑞雄","楊曜","盧縣一","涂權吉","羅智強","黃仁","沈發惠","羅廷瑋"],"page_start":131,"meetingDate":["2024-04-29"],"gazette_id":"1133701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1133701_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"審查一、委員黃捷等20人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條、第三十九條及第五十一\n條條文修正草案」案；二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十\n九條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案；三、委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例\n第二條、第三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案；四、委員蘇清泉等24人擬具「兒童及少年\n性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案；五、委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削\n防制條例第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案；六、委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「兒童及少年\n性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案；七、委員徐巧芯等24人擬具「兒童\n及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案；八、委員陳冠廷等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削\n防制條例部分條文修正草案」案；九、委員黃健豪等17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分\n條文修正草案」案；十、委員林宜瑾等26人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第三十九條之\n一條文草案」案；十一、委員李坤城等 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