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03:22.394\n提升金額、罰金以及提升刑法的部分,大家都一致認同的,法務部也點頭,所以我們希望朝這個方向,讓大家社會大眾可以安心。法務部要不要回答一下,你是要回答嗎?\n\n03:25.057 --> 03:39.541\n那個要提升這個刑責的刑度我們原則上是認同但是這個必須要考量跟其他的法條包括刑法的妨害秘密還有妨害性私密影像還有對影像的整個要考量要有橫平性相當性跟相稱性\n\n03:43.422 --> 04:04.598\nOK,好,那很高興的聽到法務部跟我們主辦、主席單位我們的衛務部、塑化部都同意這個方向,也就是塑化部加入。那第二個刑期增加,第三個就是罰金也增加,這個方向大家是共識的。所以到時候我們細項的部分再來討論。好,接下來本席要請教部長。\n\n04:09.082 --> 04:36.244\n這個兩個議題網路上面我們說這個影像是讓我們最難過的兒少性剝削的部分通報案件2019年是1213件2020年是2282件那去年更達到3000多件我講的數字都很難過那你也公然的也說了在我們法還沒修訂之前你會委託民間的網路趕快去巡查那現在進度呢\n\n04:37.955 --> 04:54.297\n現在還是要先找一些這方面的專家來把這個所有的招標文件的內容要怎麼樣定。那你們多久會定出來?很需要欸。上次我想說講說兩個禮拜把它定出來嘛,那應該還要一個禮拜多吧。\n\n04:54.597 --> 05:08.233\n所以照那個原先的時間嗎?換句話說往現在大概在一個禮拜的時間可以點出來。趕快圍堵。速度加快,同仁辛苦一點,趕快圍堵。在一個禮拜後就可以給社會大眾說。\n\n05:09.554 --> 05:12.436\n議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n05:28.887 --> 05:29.628\n最後一個議題我給您,也就是訪視制度。\n\n05:47.598 --> 06:08.356\n上次本席也告訴你,因為凱凱事件發生了之後,我們很難過,防制的人員不夠,你要怎麼去處理?上次本席也跟你討論,所以本席要你告訴我,你要怎麼樣協助這些防制人員?你們要怎麼樣去協助?你們怎麼去加強?兩個方向,第一個就是有關於那一個\n\n06:09.892 --> 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