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00:02:33,323\n好,這個在兒少的權利那如果這一次的創意這個司法他們目前所涉及到的違法那有沒有涉及到應該予以公開的部分這部分是我想要先詢問的\n\n8\n00:02:35,292 --> 00:02:57,606\n如果按照法條的解釋來看的話那這種拍攝、錄製的這一個部分的話的確是可以來公開他的姓名對,如果他是屬於拍攝或錄製嘛那現在法務部可能還有一個爭議點就是因為還要等判決確定嘛啊,以及說他是持有或者是他是拍攝人這件事也都還不知道所以到目前為止是還不會\n\n9\n00:02:59,127 --> 00:03:23,120\n當然說在偵查不公開,還沒有判決確定權,不會把它公布。好,那我現在想要問的就是說,那誰要去負責公布姓名或名稱,這個由誰來負責?這個是衛福部啦。衛福部來負責?對,因為這個兒權法也是,主管計劃也是衛福部。好,那誰可以去使用這樣的,去得到這樣的一個資料?\n\n10\n00:03:25,271 --> 00:03:46,292\n就是說哪些人他可能涉及到拍攝兒童或少年的以下的影片,我要怎麼去得知呢?如果我要去搜尋說有誰有這樣的一個記錄,比方說這樣的人進來我的社區裡面,那我要怎麼去知道,我要去保護我的兒童?\n\n11\n00:03:47,642 --> 00:04:05,332\n因為公布的話要看公布的方式,有一些是並沒有主動去把這個list露出來,這個細節沒有,但是他有犯哪一些法是可以...那到目前為止有公布哪些嗎?目前還沒有,這用11款了,這一個沒有。比較多的是照顧者的虐待?\n\n12\n00:04:09,713 --> 00:04:26,768\n目前這11款比較少。好,那問題就來了啊。你們既然法庭有這樣規定,就是說你去拍攝的人,至少創意私訪的這一個那個叫做老馬的,現在還沒有抓到,可是他未來一定要公開他的名字。未來是不是一定有這樣的狀況?\n\n13\n00:04:30,111 --> 00:04:55,222\n所以我應該如果說這個偵查結束起訴到後來判刑的話應該判刑確定後嗎我現在想要了解就是說我們現在有這樣的武器去針對這樣去去利用他們去拍攝的我們有這樣的一個武器那我們到底使用了嗎這是我要我要這個這一次我要問的一個重點那未來我們的提案當然是要增加罰則持有的部分要增加他的\n\n14\n00:04:56,482 --> 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