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示，過去很多人都認為，只要金流進入到加密貨幣就是一個斷點；但其實可以從技術上解決這個問題，甚至在傳統調查網域遇到阻礙時，轉往區塊鏈上追查，可以告訴我們更多蛛絲馬跡，讓不法分子現蹤，報告中分析，創意私房4個用來收款的加密貨幣錢包，從2021年底至2024年4月，「入金」到創意私房的交易筆數（可能是會員），合計逾3,200次，4個錢包加總共收款89.4萬泰達幣（USDT），換算約新台幣2,880萬元。根據報告指出，最新一次資金轉移發生在4月10日晚間11時19分，由OKX交易所轉入第4個收款錢包，意味此錢包仍被頻繁使用、處於活躍狀態，請問金管會，是否參考國外國家管制加密貨幣做法，如今諸多不法業者使用加密貨幣的狀況頻繁，交易所多、使用加密貨幣幣別多，要如何阻斷非法網站使用加密貨幣的金流使用？","三、法務部針對持有非法兒少性影像者如何訂定相對應量刑標準的看法為何？","問題：有婦女團體指出，相較於國外案例，台灣對於非法兒少性影像的購買及持有者，罰則明顯過輕，應修法提高刑責，並考量加害人持有兒少性影像的數量多寡、加害者的資歷、被害者年齡、被害者性影像內容等因素，訂定相對應量刑標準，為此，請教法務部，針對持有非法兒少性影像者如何訂定相對應量刑標準的看法為何？"],["委員盧縣一書面質詢：","一、「兒童及少年性剝削條例」2023年曾修法三讀通過，如今上路才一年，又要再度修正，是否新法施行上仍有不足之處？現行法適用上遭遇困難何在？","二、請問衛福部、司法院：審查「兒少性剝削條例」","報載：新法修正的四個方向有：","(1)加重刑責","(2)簡化封網流程","(3)對付費觀覽兒少性影像者處以刑責","(4)授權政府主動搜尋相關網站與金流。","疑問：如何簡化篩選不法網站以進行封鎖程序，不至於造成「寒蟬效應」？進行適度的網路管制下，會不會又對言論自由形成了過多的事前限制？"],["委員陳冠廷書面質詢：","一、青少年網路性誘拐","（衛福部）部長，黃子佼案引發國人關注兒少性剝削議題，我們立法部門也針對製作、散播、持有兒少性影像，提出相關修法，填補制度上的缺陷，捍衛兒童權利。","但我要強調，我們要保護兒少也要注意縮減加害人接觸被害人的管道，尤其是落實交友軟體平台會員註冊的身份認證機制。","部長，儘管現在平台註冊時會出現「未滿18歲不可加入」字樣，但仍可直接再次修改出生年份，其中不乏未成年的使用者冒充年齡進入。我們辦公室的同仁就曾表示，他在15歲的時候就可以透過漏洞繞過交友軟體的年齡限制機制，成功註冊會員。部長，你覺得這樣合理嗎？衛福部現在只在網路上提醒青少年使用交友APP要「了、了、分、明」保護自己避免網路陷阱，部長你認為這樣夠嗎？","部長，衛福部今年2月指出，網友透過交友軟體約見面，進而發生性侵害人數逐年增加，2019年665例，2020年801例，2021年798例，2022年905例，除了2021年小幅下降，其餘呈現逐年上升趨勢。以年齡分析，12至18歲受害比率最高，2022年有436人，幾乎占半數。","部長，我要提醒，我們雖然有在法令上限制未滿18歲的青少年無法註冊交友軟體。但業者終究會找到出路，使用者們也紛紛轉向另一款具備直播功能的社交App─Yubo。目前Yubo在全球擁有6,000萬名註冊用戶，其中99%的用戶是Z世代，堪稱「青少年版Tinder」。我希望衛福部夥同教育部、數發部等部會針對交友軟體問題提出對策。","部長，兒少性誘拐的首個步驟就是加害人運用交友軟體，掌握被害人的交友網絡形態與動態，利用一個或多個身份的帳號出現在被害人的友誼網絡圈內。接著持續透過聊天增進信任與接觸機會，扮演兒少日常生活傾訴者的角色位置，最後以忠誠試探兒少，開始要求性接觸藉由情感連結，進而發生性剝削（廖美蓮，2021）。","因此，交友平台過於寬鬆的身份認證機制會讓青少年暴露在風險下。部長，青少年正處於自我探索、增強社會獨立性和逐漸轉變成獨立個體的階段。雖然青少年普遍視網路交友為機會，但交友過程中可能存在各式各樣的騷擾，甚至延伸成現實中的犯罪行為。","因此，隨著網路犯罪數量增加，考量青少年的自制力與判斷能力尚未發展完全，在諸多青少年可能遇到的網路風險中（例如接觸到暴力、色情、霸凌等不利於身心發展的內容），衛福部可不可以給我書面答覆，了解目前你們應對此狀況的作法？","資料來源：廖美蓮（2021）。網路性誘拐─兒少影像性剝削實務挑戰。當代社會工作學刊，(11)，35-80。"],["委員涂權吉書面質詢：","壹、過去，本席多次質詢時提到創意私房案早在「818天」前就可以遏制性影像的散佈、減緩被害人被二次傷害的風險，假如檢察官在扣押證物、羈押被害人還不能有所動作，到底法律要怎麼修正，才能避免過去薛瑞元部長口中的「法律風險」？以創意私房案來說，如果都一審定讞了，衛福部22天後才在立委一再催促下，採取強制執行的手段來封網屏蔽，這次修法能不能不再讓情事再度發生？","貳、這次部版修正案有三大方向：1.成立性影像處理中心，衛福部負責被動接申訴、諮詢、查察被害人狀況，司法警察、檢察官負責負責主動網路巡察；2.發現有犯罪嫌疑通知網路業者、警察機關及中央主管機關，中央主管機關收到通知後做成行政處分；3.上述行政處分送達不以書面形式為限。檢視部版第八條的修正條文，整個流程基本跟4/10對於創意私房引用行政執行法強制封網幾乎一樣，想請教，此次修法還會有衛福部承受不合理「法律風險」的疑慮嗎？","部版規範司法警察、檢察官負責網路巡察，成立性影像處理中心負責通知警察機關及中央主管機關做出封網屏蔽的行政處分，法務部、內政部警政署、數發部等機關的態度是？願意配合？還是尚有困難之處？最後，最關鍵的一點，這是衛福部版本的草案，政院支持嗎？政院假若不支持，出不了政院，今天的討論還有意義嗎？","參、過去多位立法委員質疑衛福部為何不在檢察官起訴時通知數發部封網屏蔽時，衛福部總回覆說「法務部、檢察官沒有告知」、「起訴書未公開」，本席想請叫，如今的部版條文，在上述條件沒有變化下，如果創意私房類似案例再起，「性影像處理中心」如何在一審完結前，就能通知主管機關做成屏蔽封網的行政處分？","延續過去質詢的問題，請教就衛福部提出的版本，未來在下架性影像這部分，對照「創意私房」案，政府將能夠在哪個時間段就立刻停止解析？如果可以更快停止解析，請問按下方表格哪個時間點可以即時處理、停止傷害。另外，衛福部次長李麗芬有向媒體提到，封網的行政處分由地方政府下達，是不是依照部版條文，地方政府就沒有角色了？","肆、衛福部如今提出的法案版本，有提到未來將成立「性影像處理中心」，單一窗口並統一處理性影像案件，本席覺得是一個好的檢討方向，但對於究竟如何落實非常好奇，請教衛福部，目前已經有保護司專職處理兒少問題，「性影像處理中心」跟保護司的業務哪些不同？另外，假如「性影像處理中心」要委由民間團體成立，這個業務涉及「個人隱私」、「犯罪影像」、「兒少保護」，請問預計要找哪一類的民間團體？哪些民間團體足以擔當這樣的任務？如果衛福部要把這樣機敏的公務外包出去，可能的風險是什麼？法務部有看法嗎？最後，委託民間單位難道是會找諸如兒福聯盟等民間團體？是否有評估其有相應的能力，與政府協力處理層出不窮的性影像犯罪，如果所託非人又當如何，衛福部針對成立後的預算、人力目前是否有個粗略的數字在嗎？"],["委員林思銘書面質詢：","近幾年未成年性剝削的案件是層出不窮，受害的兒童及少年，身心都遭受到嚴重的迫害，且其所需療復時間之漫長，都是我們所難以想像。因此需要透過修法，來遏止這些惡意製造、散布或持有兒童或少年性圖畫畫、語音、影像或其他物品的犯行。","因此本席的提案，除提高刑罰與罰金外，也要求相關主管單位，需要建立兒少性剝削犯罪資料庫，並公布犯行者的姓名與相片於主管機關的網站上，提供民眾查詢。","此外，除了強暴、脅迫與意圖營利等犯罪樣態外，本席也特別提案，將那些使用不法取得的兒少性剝削物品，來恐嚇他人生命、身體、自由、名譽或財產，並致生危害安全的犯罪者，加重其懲處。","最後，現今這些犯行多透過網際網路，因此也需將數位發展部列為主管機關之一，更需要求網際網路平台服務提供者，於規定時限內主動通報，並增加犯罪者輔導教育之時數，以嚇阻相關犯行的一再發生。","我國現行《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例》規定，無正當理由持有兒童或少年之性影像，將處1年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或併科新臺幣3萬元以上30萬元以下罰金，其中「兒童及少年」定義為未滿18歲者，但社會各界認為現行罰則太輕，呼籲加重處罰。是否應提高至三年以上十年以下？","而刑法第227條對於未滿十四歲之男女為性交者，處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。刑責會不會偏低？是不是應該提高？","另外，目前的詐騙案件猖獗，有很多是來自於境外之通信與網站主機伺服器，檢警對於架設於境外之犯罪主機總是一籌莫展。我們很嚴格的制定了法律，加重了刑責提高了刑度，但，事實是連犯罪嫌疑人都逮不到！否則詐騙怎會抓不勝抓，野火燒不盡，春風吹又生。","與詐騙網站一樣，此類兒童性相關網站均設於國外。此次黃姓藝人涉案的創意私房也是架設於境外。創意私房是販賣偷拍、同意拍攝但不同意外流、未成年等非法性影像之非法論壇，存在多年，會員者眾，創辦人「老馬」至今仍抓不到。","加重刑責提高刑度是很必要，但如何抓到嫌犯是否更具急迫性？法務部國際及兩岸法律司，法務部調查局國際事務處，內政部警政署刑事警察局國際刑警科，在國際偵查中是否有遇到困難？否則怎麼成效如此不彰？對於境外的犯罪，我們到底可以如何提高破案效率？"],["委員羅智強書面質詢：","案由：本院羅委員智強，就網路性暴力事件受害者有近七成為未成年，不僅侵害兒少隱私權、身心健康權，造成永久且難以平復之身心傷害，對於跨黨派提出「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例」之刑度修正後，在預防與防制作為上行政機關仍應持續精進，特向衛生福利部提出質詢。","說明：","針對台灣社會當前的數位技術普，造成兒少性剝削案件增加之因應作為與現行政策檢討。從衛福部自行統計的數據「兒童及少年性剝削通報被害人」來看：2017年是1,060人；2018年是1,060人；2019年是1,211人；2020年是1,691人；2021年1,879人；2022年是2,280人；2023年是3,346人。","網路性暴力事件受害者有近七成為未成年，不僅侵害兒少隱私權、身心健康權，造成永久且難以平復之身心傷害，國人更稱為「靈魂式的謀殺」，且如今兒少性犯罪行為，從招募、介紹、製作到影像之販賣，產業鏈儼然成形，對國人之傷害至深且重，為有效杜絕兒少性剝削，落實保護兒少福利及權利之目的，應該有必要進行違反本法者之刑度調整。","要有效防治網路兒童性剝削問題，我們可以借鏡美國的經驗，針對以下幾個方面提出相應的措施：1.強化法律法規2.加強執法力度3.提升公眾意識4.加強國際合作","從2017年開始到被害人數現在成長了近三倍，在2020年有加拿大媒體曾經撰文指「疫情期間加拿大兒童性剝削現像上升趨勢」，跟台灣的攀升趨勢類似，但數位教育已經是不可逆的趨勢下，防範工作會變得更加艱辛。","過去根據民團的調查，國高中生每周課後使用網路高達32.2小時，在線上世界裡，有22.8%兒少曾有被網路詐騙的經驗；有21.4%兒少表示有遇過網友提出特殊要求，網友的要求中，最常見的是情侶交往（59.3%）、視訊通話（51.3%）、單獨約出去見面（50.9%）。除此之外，有一成左右兒少身邊同學被散布收到裸露照片/影片（10%），甚至有5.3%的兒少自己或同學曾傳給網友裸露照片/影片。","依據家扶基金會2023年所執行之「兒少網路社群使用習慣調查」發現，網路平台即使有標示「未滿18歲」警語，仍有超過2成的兒少會主點擊；4成兒少每天使用網路社群超過2小時。調查也顯示有1成6的兒少是在國小前就開始接觸網路社群，且約有160名兒少自述曾提供私密照，而國小中高年級學生就要面對網路霸凌、提供私密照的狀況，比例甚至高於國中生，顯見兒少有越早開始了解網路社群使用安全的需求，家長對於兒少的網路社群瀏覽內容的把關更需要高度的關注。","2019年兒福聯盟所做調查，有高達82.7%的兒少有自己專屬的智慧型手機，平均10歲就有智慧型手機，近9成擁有社群媒體帳號，而有68.2%的兒少曾在網路上看過恐怖血腥、色情暴力等相關內容，有35.8%的兒少每週、甚至每天都會上傳影片。","本席認為，針對本法第三條，對於網路基本安全的使用宣導，應該從一學年調整為一學期。","過去2018年就曾發生過，美國聯邦調查局（FBI）監控散布兒童色情影片全球百大名單，其中共有2台灣嫌犯，美國聯邦調查局為防制兒童色情影片擴散，啟動「百夫長強化專案」行動（Operation Centurion Plus），長期監控全球百大流量散布兒童色情嫌犯。目前不少的網站都是架設於國外，打擊兒少性剝削的犯罪行為需要跨部會，也需要跨國的合作。","被害人沒補件、網站IP在國外、聯絡資訊不明等因素，造成移除困難，行政機關要再次強化相關機制，不要讓每一次的上傳再製，一次又一次的終生凌遲被害人。","最後，為明確我國之兒童及少年性剝削防治之總體政策方針，及有效提升跨部會整合防治效能，應參照美國制定《國家預防和防止剝削兒童策略》（National Strategy for Child Exploitation Prevention and 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