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03:12.472\n那另外一個男生也就是這個男主角民國69年阿美族的男孩在高雄出生名字叫做俊彥原住民的名字叫做米央在東華大學念書的時候剛好認識了這個喵HK那當時PTT的網友就在網路搜尋也可以查到這個人\n\n03:19.119 --> 03:26.087\n這個人剛好就是花蓮肖美琴之友會的理事看到這邊圈起來的理事在這裡有出現這個名字然後也有所謂的這邊都有介紹美女副總統和阿美族男孩的愛情故事\n\n03:37.421 --> 03:42.465\n然後也有所謂的大合照我們看一下合照這一位是我們蕭美琴準副總統後面我們把大家的資料都碼掉了就是被寫出來的這一位那這個文章裡面比較麻煩的地方如果他只是就是寫一寫就像小說一樣的情節那我今天不會跟局長來討論\n\n04:00.740 --> 04:27.547\n但重點在於這篇文章裡面提及他們的個人背景相識過程同居一起工作而且他還寫道這位男士見過我們的蔡總統還跟著所謂的蕭美琴我們都不證實這個事情因為我也沒有辦法查證他有可能是假消息或是認知作戰一起去美國工作你看我標起來的地方見過總統\n\n04:29.207 --> 04:34.869\n甚至最重要的部分在下面這裡他寫什麼這個男性一方面利用臺灣的稅金幫喵HK也就是AKA蕭美琴接觸在美國的軍火商、智庫和政要成功推動了裴洛西、龐佩歐來台一方面替蕭美琴這個暗示蕭美琴收錢和美國人達成協議\n\n04:59.336 --> 05:13.386\n買來豬買武器特別是幫助台積電復美建廠這些都給他們帶來的巨大財富豪車別墅香檳美酒進入了米央的生活\n\n05:14.488 --> 05:28.948\n雖然這個文章也一直說是虛構故事但是他又鉅細靡遺的甚至提到還有副總統財產申報等等的事件這個文章上面的問題又涉及到台美外交的問題\n\n05:29.969 --> 05:46.099\n也涉及到了我們準副總統的相關資訊而這個內容呢從今年的1月到現在沒有被處理在網路上面我昨天還去搜尋都還看得到反而是有的社群帳號不見了\n\n05:47.600 --> 06:08.804\n那蕭美琴過去準副總統她是駐美大使我不曉得國安局對於這樣子的內容是否有掌握那要怎麼樣核實或是處理這種系統性的文章呢尤其當權者身旁的人員如果真的有涉及這樣子重大的爭議難道不應該核實嗎請問\n\n06:12.225 --> 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