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00:03:11,068\n一直以來都是這樣那最近有說了一個小口就開了一個大主把那個6500個人這個有開跟沒開一樣阿對不對你去人家一間大餐廳阿只給人家要一杯白開水阿你要這樣的餐廳你要開嗎有任何對方的回應我們都是樂見\n\n9\n00:03:14,976 --> 00:03:32,427\n若見是一件事情若見的勝利是甚麼跟我們原來預期的跟我們原來希望的差太多了我只有一個所以我剛剛的前提就是說要平等互惠他們如果開放多少我們是不是相對開放多少\n\n10\n00:03:36,012 --> 00:03:52,501\n這個應該不會有任何抵觸吧?不會,因為剛剛很多衛委員也提到就是說我們要同時兼顧凹棒跟硬棒業者他們的工作權益這當然啦!要一起考量,尤其是這個硬棒特別是我們政府要去照顧\n\n11\n00:03:53,261 --> 00:04:19,089\n英磅很多啊,我們台灣的民宿什麼這些就是英磅啊,我們的餐廳什麼都是啊,對不對?餐廳、餐廳、導遊、遊樂區,還有遊覽車不只啦,連路邊的路邊攤也是英磅啊,對不對?英磅才是我們的重點不不不,我覺得英磅奧磅都是重點,你這種說法我也不同意,這個都是重點只是說我說,一個國家跟國家\n\n12\n00:04:20,289 --> 00:04:47,697\n對等的談判你開放多少我開放多少我覺得這個是不是一個最基本的原則是對嘛這個原則是確定的嘛是所以我就覺得說啦其實你們要說一句我們沒有阻擋陸客來台灣沒錯我們沒有阻擋是他們還沒開放是我做這個結論是對不對正確正確嘛對不對那所以這次要雙方去溝通嘛對不對\n\n13\n00:04:49,426 --> 00:05:11,640\n我們溝通其實持續都有在進行中當然我知道你們都有在持續進行中只是現在還沒有只是開放了這一次開放了馬祖我們開放馬祖我們不反對我們當然對啊慢慢的都來全台灣都來我覺得這個才是我們的目標是我們都準備好了\n\n14\n00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:24,957\n對嘛,所以我覺得很簡單嘛,要跟外界說我們都準備好了,我們就是,我們的態度是希望你來,是你自己,是中國自己設限不讓他來的嘛,對不對?對,是陸方在設限\n\n15\n00:05:29,102 --> 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