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00:02:42,871\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案中天電視台的幻照爭議。那麼這裡呢今天的提案文啊今天的法律提案修正提案的說明又說中天新聞台不予幻照獨立機關的地位受到強烈的質疑請問主委你所知道的當年中天的幻照審查有政治壓力嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:43,700 --> 00:02:44,641\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。\n\n9\n00:03:08,376 --> 00:03:23,052\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第\n\n10\n00:03:26,756 --> 00:03:28,558\n指控這些委員受民進黨控制是完全搞不清楚狀況\n\n11\n00:03:54,301 --> 00:04:17,574\n這是當年的黃國昌委員說的那他認為我們NCC尤其是民間專委委員為去乎外部壓力沒有去乎外部壓力沒有去乎來自對岸的壓力讓中天繼續延續他頂住了還記得來往下看613的解釋在去年還是今年有一位參選副總統的候選人他說NCC委員按照正常比例結果新聞說18年前就宣告違憲了舊的NCC組織法哪裡違憲\n\n12\n00:04:20,169 --> 00:04:46,982\n就是剛才所講的基本這個NCC的人事權是在行政院那這個原來的這個舊的這個組織法裡面是依照所謂的立法院的政黨比例代表制去處理的這違反獨立機關設置基本原則宣告違憲那我很好奇啦其實還有兩個層次啦要NCC獨立機關委員按照政黨案、政黨比例來推薦這個當然大法官說是違憲的但是\n\n13\n00:04:48,004 --> 00:05:05,313\n政黨推薦來或者由政黨來組成審查會其實我認為這個可以討論請問主委你知道我們目前哪些政府的機關或部門他的審查委員會立法院主任審查委員會是由政黨比例推薦的嗎\n\n14\n00:05:06,331 --> 00:05:34,014\n就我所了解目前應該是有公共電視沒有錯公共電視法董監事公共電視顧名思惠他要公共化不能夠專屬於服務某黨某派但是呢董監事一樣有行政院提名但是呢立法院推薦啊10到11到15的一個社會公正人組成審查會審查會當然這個推薦過程就會反映出政黨的比例那麼你認為經過這樣的審查結果可以維持他的一個公共性嗎\n\n15\n00:05:35,219 --> 00:05:49,751\n公共性來講是說這他是參與可能說強化一些公共參與就是說審查由立法院審查的時候這些審查的人員是由立法院按照政黨比例來安排的來審行政院提名的董建世董名單你就這樣可以嗎\n\n16\n00:05:51,434 --> 00:06:19,730\n公共電視性質跟NCC不一樣。NCC是一個機關,它有公權力的問題。公共電視是一個媒體。但是我個人是認為啊,如果說今天是由行政院來提名委員,但是立法院,就像立法院我們要審查這些同意權的行使,我們修憲委員會其實有本院的委員按照正常比例來分配,我們怎麼審查是立法院的事情。我認為提名權專屬於行政院,但是怎麼審查,其實我們立法院來決定。那往下看。\n\n17\n00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:28,197\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具\n\n18\n00:06:41,149 --> 00:06:52,433\n請問一下目前你所知道的由立法院行使同意權的這些人事案有哪一項可以由立法院來予以撤回?比如說予以把他解職有沒有?完全沒有嘛\n\n19\n00:06:56,038 --> 00:07:22,794\n不管是憲政機關總統提名交給立法院來行使審查的同意之後他就任命了甚至原來任命的人也不可以解職他是不是這樣那行政院提來的也沒有嗎中選委員我們可以立法院叫他解職嗎不行嗎好所以往下看那麼所以呢我認為啊今天呢我們認為我們如果說今天還有一個說法說怎樣往下看再往下看齁因為時間的關係齁如果往上\n\n20\n00:07:24,482 --> 00:07:34,386\n立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．\n\n21\n00:07:41,289 --> 00:07:56,639\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23\n\n22\n00:08:02,503 --> 00:08:14,112\n但是我們既然要求他要退出政黨活動甚至要退出政黨我還要他用政黨來推薦難道我們認為希望NC的委員由各自政黨來指揮嗎你希望NC的委員由推薦他的政黨來指揮他嗎\n\n23\n00:08:16,786 --> 00:08:18,848\n立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。\n\n24\n00:08:36,503 --> 00:08:39,645\n立法委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n\n25\n00:09:04,542 --> 00:09:28,452\n所以其實政治制度有很多樣我們不能挑自己想要的目前中華民國本文、正修條文、我們的憲政體制連大法官、我們行使同意權的國會都沒有提名權、都沒有任命權了所以現在對於屬於行政院的二級獨立機關我們要來提出有任命權或有提名權這是很奇怪的最後我的結論主席站起來了\n\n26\n00:09:29,292 --> 00:09:49,542\n我希望未來當然這個不是由主委你來決定的但是你在卸任之前這兩個訴求我想聽你的意見如果未來我們希望NC委員退出政黨你知不支持當然同意那你是不是覺得未來的NC要確保持續運作不能夠藉由不續任條款剛剛有人提到的當\n\n27\n00:09:51,221 --> 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案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第\n206756\t208558\t指控這些委員受民進黨控制是完全搞不清楚狀況\n234301\t257574\t這是當年的黃國昌委員說的那他認為我們NCC尤其是民間專委委員為去乎外部壓力沒有去乎外部壓力沒有去乎來自對岸的壓力讓中天繼續延續他頂住了還記得來往下看613的解釋在去年還是今年有一位參選副總統的候選人他說NCC委員按照正常比例結果新聞說18年前就宣告違憲了舊的NCC組織法哪裡違憲\n260169\t286982\t就是剛才所講的基本這個NCC的人事權是在行政院那這個原來的這個舊的這個組織法裡面是依照所謂的立法院的政黨比例代表制去處理的這違反獨立機關設置基本原則宣告違憲那我很好奇啦其實還有兩個層次啦要NCC獨立機關委員按照政黨案、政黨比例來推薦這個當然大法官說是違憲的但是\n288004\t305313\t政黨推薦來或者由政黨來組成審查會其實我認為這個可以討論請問主委你知道我們目前哪些政府的機關或部門他的審查委員會立法院主任審查委員會是由政黨比例推薦的嗎\n306331\t334014\t就我所了解目前應該是有公共電視沒有錯公共電視法董監事公共電視顧名思惠他要公共化不能夠專屬於服務某黨某派但是呢董監事一樣有行政院提名但是呢立法院推薦啊10到11到15的一個社會公正人組成審查會審查會當然這個推薦過程就會反映出政黨的比例那麼你認為經過這樣的審查結果可以維持他的一個公共性嗎\n335219\t349751\t公共性來講是說這他是參與可能說強化一些公共參與就是說審查由立法院審查的時候這些審查的人員是由立法院按照政黨比例來安排的來審行政院提名的董建世董名單你就這樣可以嗎\n351434\t379730\t公共電視性質跟NCC不一樣。NCC是一個機關,它有公權力的問題。公共電視是一個媒體。但是我個人是認為啊,如果說今天是由行政院來提名委員,但是立法院,就像立法院我們要審查這些同意權的行使,我們修憲委員會其實有本院的委員按照正常比例來分配,我們怎麼審查是立法院的事情。我認為提名權專屬於行政院,但是怎麼審查,其實我們立法院來決定。那往下看。\n380310\t388197\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具\n401149\t412433\t請問一下目前你所知道的由立法院行使同意權的這些人事案有哪一項可以由立法院來予以撤回?比如說予以把他解職有沒有?完全沒有嘛\n416038\t442794\t不管是憲政機關總統提名交給立法院來行使審查的同意之後他就任命了甚至原來任命的人也不可以解職他是不是這樣那行政院提來的也沒有嗎中選委員我們可以立法院叫他解職嗎不行嗎好所以往下看那麼所以呢我認為啊今天呢我們認為我們如果說今天還有一個說法說怎樣往下看再往下看齁因為時間的關係齁如果往上\n444482\t454386\t立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．\n461289\t476639\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23\n482503\t494112\t但是我們既然要求他要退出政黨活動甚至要退出政黨我還要他用政黨來推薦難道我們認為希望NC的委員由各自政黨來指揮嗎你希望NC的委員由推薦他的政黨來指揮他嗎\n496786\t498848\t立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。\n516503\t519645\t立法委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n544542\t568452\t所以其實政治制度有很多樣我們不能挑自己想要的目前中華民國本文、正修條文、我們的憲政體制連大法官、我們行使同意權的國會都沒有提名權、都沒有任命權了所以現在對於屬於行政院的二級獨立機關我們要來提出有任命權或有提名權這是很奇怪的最後我的結論主席站起來了\n569292\t589542\t我希望未來當然這個不是由主委你來決定的但是你在卸任之前這兩個訴求我想聽你的意見如果未來我們希望NC委員退出政黨你知不支持當然同意那你是不是覺得未來的NC要確保持續運作不能夠藉由不續任條款剛剛有人提到的當\n591221\t609255\t人事同意有問題沒辦法阻隔的時候,NCC如果缺額他會癱瘓。所以我們要如何確保一些運作,NCC持續運作,是不是符合台灣自由民主法治國家人民的共同利益。當然。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。那我們現在休息三分鐘。\n","txt":"主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請陳主委。好,麻煩主委。喂,好。主委好。請問一下目前行政院的二級獨立機關有哪幾個?就中選會、公平會跟NCC。那他們都是行政院的?對,就行政院底下。那獨立機關在行政院底下要做什麼事情?\n組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案\n交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案 案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條條文修正草案案 案件中,公民交友委員會組\n組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案 案件中﹖一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案。\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案 中天電視台的幻照爭議。那麼這裡呢今天的提案文啊今天的法律提案修正提案的說明又說中天新聞台不予幻照獨立機關的地位受到強烈的質疑請問主委你所知道的當年中天的幻照審查有政治壓力嗎?\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第\n指控這些委員受民進黨控制是完全搞不清楚狀況\n這是當年的黃國昌委員說的那他認為我們NCC尤其是民間專委委員為去乎外部壓力沒有去乎外部壓力沒有去乎來自對岸的壓力讓中天繼續延續他頂住了還記得來往下看613的解釋在去年還是今年有一位參選副總統的候選人他說NCC委員按照正常比例結果新聞說18年前就宣告違憲了舊的NCC組織法哪裡違憲\n就是剛才所講的基本這個NCC的人事權是在行政院那這個原來的這個舊的這個組織法裡面是依照所謂的立法院的政黨比例代表制去處理的這違反獨立機關設置基本原則宣告違憲那我很好奇啦其實還有兩個層次啦要NCC獨立機關委員按照政黨案、政黨比例來推薦這個當然大法官說是違憲的但是\n政黨推薦來或者由政黨來組成審查會其實我認為這個可以討論請問主委你知道我們目前哪些政府的機關或部門他的審查委員會立法院主任審查委員會是由政黨比例推薦的嗎\n就我所了解目前應該是有公共電視沒有錯公共電視法董監事公共電視顧名思惠他要公共化不能夠專屬於服務某黨某派但是呢董監事一樣有行政院提名但是呢立法院推薦啊10到11到15的一個社會公正人組成審查會審查會當然這個推薦過程就會反映出政黨的比例那麼你認為經過這樣的審查結果可以維持他的一個公共性嗎\n公共性來講是說這他是參與可能說強化一些公共參與就是說審查由立法院審查的時候這些審查的人員是由立法院按照政黨比例來安排的來審行政院提名的董建世董名單你就這樣可以嗎\n公共電視性質跟NCC不一樣。NCC是一個機關,它有公權力的問題。公共電視是一個媒體。但是我個人是認為啊,如果說今天是由行政院來提名委員,但是立法院,就像立法院我們要審查這些同意權的行使,我們修憲委員會其實有本院的委員按照正常比例來分配,我們怎麼審查是立法院的事情。我認為提名權專屬於行政院,但是怎麼審查,其實我們立法院來決定。那往下看。\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具\n請問一下目前你所知道的由立法院行使同意權的這些人事案有哪一項可以由立法院來予以撤回?比如說予以把他解職有沒有?完全沒有嘛\n不管是憲政機關總統提名交給立法院來行使審查的同意之後他就任命了甚至原來任命的人也不可以解職他是不是這樣那行政院提來的也沒有嗎中選委員我們可以立法院叫他解職嗎不行嗎好所以往下看那麼所以呢我認為啊今天呢我們認為我們如果說今天還有一個說法說怎樣往下看再往下看齁因為時間的關係齁如果往上\n立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第十條條文修正草案．\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23\n但是我們既然要求他要退出政黨活動甚至要退出政黨我還要他用政黨來推薦難道我們認為希望NC的委員由各自政黨來指揮嗎你希望NC的委員由推薦他的政黨來指揮他嗎\n立法院第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。\n立法委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．\n所以其實政治制度有很多樣我們不能挑自己想要的目前中華民國本文、正修條文、我們的憲政體制連大法官、我們行使同意權的國會都沒有提名權、都沒有任命權了所以現在對於屬於行政院的二級獨立機關我們要來提出有任命權或有提名權這是很奇怪的最後我的結論主席站起來了\n我希望未來當然這個不是由主委你來決定的但是你在卸任之前這兩個訴求我想聽你的意見如果未來我們希望NC委員退出政黨你知不支持當然同意那你是不是覺得未來的NC要確保持續運作不能夠藉由不續任條款剛剛有人提到的當\n人事同意有問題沒辦法阻隔的時候,NCC如果缺額他會癱瘓。所以我們要如何確保一些運作,NCC持續運作,是不是符合台灣自由民主法治國家人民的共同利益。當然。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。那我們現在休息三分鐘。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.989 --> 00:40.158\n主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請陳主委。好,麻煩主委。喂,好。主委好。請問一下目前行政院的二級獨立機關有哪幾個?就中選會、公平會跟NCC。那他們都是行政院的?對,就行政院底下。那獨立機關在行政院底下要做什麼事情?\n\n00:40.703 --> 00:42.927\n組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案\n\n00:52.523 --> 01:04.592\n交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件中,公民交友委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條條文修正草案案案件中,公民交友委員會組\n\n01:17.998 --> 01:21.281\n組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案件中﹖一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗一﹗\n\n01:46.161 --> 01:49.645\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案\n\n02:10.329 --> 02:12.531\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。\n\n02:26.829 --> 02:42.871\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案中天電視台的幻照爭議。那麼這裡呢今天的提案文啊今天的法律提案修正提案的說明又說中天新聞台不予幻照獨立機關的地位受到強烈的質疑請問主委你所知道的當年中天的幻照審查有政治壓力嗎?\n\n02:43.700 --> 02:44.641\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。\n\n03:08.376 --> 03:23.052\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第\n\n03:26.756 --> 03:28.558\n指控這些委員受民進黨控制是完全搞不清楚狀況\n\n03:54.301 --> 04:17.574\n這是當年的黃國昌委員說的那他認為我們NCC尤其是民間專委委員為去乎外部壓力沒有去乎外部壓力沒有去乎來自對岸的壓力讓中天繼續延續他頂住了還記得來往下看613的解釋在去年還是今年有一位參選副總統的候選人他說NCC委員按照正常比例結果新聞說18年前就宣告違憲了舊的NCC組織法哪裡違憲\n\n04:20.169 --> 04:46.982\n就是剛才所講的基本這個NCC的人事權是在行政院那這個原來的這個舊的這個組織法裡面是依照所謂的立法院的政黨比例代表制去處理的這違反獨立機關設置基本原則宣告違憲那我很好奇啦其實還有兩個層次啦要NCC獨立機關委員按照政黨案、政黨比例來推薦這個當然大法官說是違憲的但是\n\n04:48.004 --> 05:05.313\n政黨推薦來或者由政黨來組成審查會其實我認為這個可以討論請問主委你知道我們目前哪些政府的機關或部門他的審查委員會立法院主任審查委員會是由政黨比例推薦的嗎\n\n05:06.331 --> 05:34.014\n就我所了解目前應該是有公共電視沒有錯公共電視法董監事公共電視顧名思惠他要公共化不能夠專屬於服務某黨某派但是呢董監事一樣有行政院提名但是呢立法院推薦啊10到11到15的一個社會公正人組成審查會審查會當然這個推薦過程就會反映出政黨的比例那麼你認為經過這樣的審查結果可以維持他的一個公共性嗎\n\n05:35.219 --> 05:49.751\n公共性來講是說這他是參與可能說強化一些公共參與就是說審查由立法院審查的時候這些審查的人員是由立法院按照政黨比例來安排的來審行政院提名的董建世董名單你就這樣可以嗎\n\n05:51.434 --> 06:19.730\n公共電視性質跟NCC不一樣。NCC是一個機關,它有公權力的問題。公共電視是一個媒體。但是我個人是認為啊,如果說今天是由行政院來提名委員,但是立法院,就像立法院我們要審查這些同意權的行使,我們修憲委員會其實有本院的委員按照正常比例來分配,我們怎麼審查是立法院的事情。我認為提名權專屬於行政院,但是怎麼審查,其實我們立法院來決定。那往下看。\n\n06:20.310 --> 06:28.197\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等25人擬具\n\n06:41.149 --> 06:52.433\n請問一下目前你所知道的由立法院行使同意權的這些人事案有哪一項可以由立法院來予以撤回?比如說予以把他解職有沒有?完全沒有嘛\n\n06:56.038 --> 07:22.794\n不管是憲政機關總統提名交給立法院來行使審查的同意之後他就任命了甚至原來任命的人也不可以解職他是不是這樣那行政院提來的也沒有嗎中選委員我們可以立法院叫他解職嗎不行嗎好所以往下看那麼所以呢我認為啊今天呢我們認為我們如果說今天還有一個說法說怎樣往下看再往下看齁因為時間的關係齁如果往上\n\n07:24.482 --> 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中天電視台的幻照爭議。那麼這裡呢今天的提案文啊今天的法律提案修正提案的說明又說中天新聞台不予幻照獨立機關的地位受到強烈的質疑請問主委你所知道的當年中天的幻照審查有政治壓力嗎?"},{"start":163.7,"end":164.641,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案。"},{"start":188.376,"end":203.052,"text":"通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 案件,並且擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案 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案。"},{"start":516.503,"end":519.645,"text":"立法委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．"},{"start":544.542,"end":568.452,"text":"所以其實政治制度有很多樣我們不能挑自己想要的目前中華民國本文、正修條文、我們的憲政體制連大法官、我們行使同意權的國會都沒有提名權、都沒有任命權了所以現在對於屬於行政院的二級獨立機關我們要來提出有任命權或有提名權這是很奇怪的最後我的結論主席站起來了"},{"start":569.292,"end":589.542,"text":"我希望未來當然這個不是由主委你來決定的但是你在卸任之前這兩個訴求我想聽你的意見如果未來我們希望NC委員退出政黨你知不支持當然同意那你是不是覺得未來的NC要確保持續運作不能夠藉由不續任條款剛剛有人提到的當"},{"start":591.221,"end":609.255,"text":"人事同意有問題沒辦法阻隔的時候,NCC如果缺額他會癱瘓。所以我們要如何確保一些運作,NCC持續運作,是不是符合台灣自由民主法治國家人民的共同利益。當然。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。那我們現在休息三分鐘。"}]}}}}