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00:03:51,189\n法律案、預算案、條約、宣戰購等相關的事項,比如說今天可能如果是這涉及到預算執行採購﹖主委你又詐提了啦我現在講的是我們63條的有關立法院可以預決重大事項這樣的一個職權請問你\n\n10\n00:03:55,768 --> 00:03:59,933\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。\n\n11\n00:04:11,957 --> 00:04:14,119\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案。\n\n12\n00:04:27,768 --> 00:04:30,089\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。\n\n13\n00:04:45,054 --> 00:04:48,036\n立法院第16屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第18屆議員會組織法第18屆議員會組織法第19屆議員會組織法第20屆議員會組織法第31屆議員會組織法第32屆議員會組織法第33屆議員會組織法第34屆議員會組織法第36屆議員會組織法第37屆議員會組織法第38屆議員會組織法第39屆議員會組織法第40屆議員會組織法第41屆議員會組織法第41屆議員會組織法第42屆議員會組織法第42屆議員會組織法第43屆議員會\n\n14\n00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:26,212\n那我想剛才針對幾位委員的一個詢答您的心態我們覺得非常可疑你是不是覺得說你今天站在這裡這個回答那麼我們委員大家對你有非常多的強烈的這種質詢\n\n15\n00:05:28,493 --> 00:05:50,163\n那您是不是抱著一個心態講說我站在這裡這個幾分鐘我這個回答硬凹強詞奪理就可以了不管委員怎麼樣去論理論法你完全可以依照自己的意思我愛怎麼回答我就怎麼回答完全不理會委員你的心態是不是站在這裡硬凹就可以了\n\n16\n00:05:51,561 --> 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