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00:00:01,610\n平潭到台灣的客運運輸以前是\n\n2\n00:00:26,506 --> 00:00:45,945\n這個都開放的嘛對不對後來是什麼原因停止的這部分是不是由我們那個杭政司司長由杭政司好杭政司是發委員那一樣是因為疫情的關係對嘛吼那現在還有疫情嗎來繼續現在還有疫情嗎發委員我們的指揮中心已經解除了對疫情解除那為什麼還沒開放\n\n3\n00:00:47,649 --> 00:01:11,946\n這部分我們就是會按照兩岸的一些需求不是啦為什麼還沒開放你因為疫情停止那現在疫情解除了為什麼還沒開放這部分我們會朝向這是健康有序的方式來做推動什麼朝向健康有序那你現在已經你說是因為疫情才這個停止啊那現在已經沒有疫情了為什麼不開放理由是什麼你要給全國人民一個說法\n\n4\n00:01:12,898 --> 00:01:30,466\n報告委員這部分就是我們會朝這方向來努力不過還是會看整個市場的一個需求跟兩岸的政策所以啊所以問題就出在出在你們嗎對不對平潭到臺灣因為疫情停止現在疫情沒了不開放好那接著本席接著要問\n\n5\n00:01:31,758 --> 00:01:50,377\n在馬政府時代我相信這個我們副主委或者是在座各位都是事務官嘛你們應該都在相關單位在馬英九政府時代入客來台一年五六百萬人然後我們台灣人去大陸大概三百多萬人\n\n6\n00:01:51,840 --> 00:02:01,856\n我們也沒說什麼平等互惠啊那為什麼到了這個前面這八年我們入客來台就這麼少\n\n7\n00:02:04,095 --> 00:02:23,992\n剛剛很多委員在質詢說平等互惠你們都沒有說實話啊什麼叫平等互惠那現在接著本席來說明在今天你們的說明裡面報告裡面你提到4月28號就是前幾天你們的新聞稿\n\n8\n00:02:24,713 --> 00:02:53,112\n你們一直強調我方在就是我們台灣在112年去年的8月24號已經公布相關規劃然後你結論說只要陸方開放即可實施那你為什麼不說你其實在今年的2月28號你就暫緩執行了還有剛剛很多委員都在問你們說我們是不是都還可以赴大陸你們說是其實這一塊是有但書的你228你已經喊\n\n9\n00:02:55,134 --> 00:03:20,452\n這個原規則原規劃戰難執行之後你只是把已經你宣布了以後人家已經這個民眾都已經登記人家也規劃好的你讓他還有一個緩衝期到5月底你其實是已經阻絕了那你還一直回答所有委員說我們都開放我們都開放我們哪裡有開放我們完全沒有開放啊這第一個再來\n\n10\n00:03:24,166 --> 00:03:33,854\n我們現在這個陸方我們這個20192019我們一直這個講說我們2019年來200多萬我們去300多萬對啊那時候可以200多萬現在然後我們去可以300多萬那為什麼現在不能開放\n\n11\n00:03:49,407 --> 00:04:14,526\n我們都規劃好,我們陸委會有沒有去跟大陸做溝通?我們的旅遊,陸客是有一個兩岸旅遊協議的那旅遊協議平台裡面就是有一個溝通管道所以那個部分兩邊的觀光主管部門是有持續在做溝通的持續在溝通,那溝通了什麼?\n\n12\n00:04:15,487 --> 00:04:36,649\n阿根委員報告說剛剛講到這個對等的部分是因為我們要求的對等是說陸方要讓他們的組團社可以組團到台灣來旅遊那現在本席要問一個重點我們現在是不是有限制一天陸客可以來多少人上線你請說\n\n13\n00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:38,591\n目前規劃是2000\n\n14\n00:04:55,745 --> 00:05:04,218\n大陸要完全開放啊!他們全國各省都要可以來啊!他各省都要來一天只有2000人他怎麼來?這點你就應該要講啊!\n\n15\n00:05:10,106 --> 00:05:35,148\n跟委員報告,因為過去我們沒有做限額的時候,我們看20...你不要講過去,我現在在談現在的政策,所以你現在2000人...我就是跟您報告為什麼現在會先用2000,我們就是拿2019年...好啦沒關係啊,所以現在2000人你只要回答我,你不要浪費我時間。我們未來是可以放寬的啊。請暫停,請暫停,我現在不讓你回答,請暫停,拜託主席,時間是我的。是,是。\n\n16\n00:05:35,848 --> 00:05:44,195\n所以你現在2000人那你現在一天只能2000人你要他全部開放我請教你您知道福建省有多少人嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:47,504 --> 00:06:11,672\n福建省的人口數有多少?那就是跟委員報告回答人口數嗎?疫情之前我們也是全部開放的時候我請暫停我請暫停時間福建省有多少人你知道就說知道回答多少嗎?相近五千萬三千多萬人也比台灣兩千多萬多很多\n\n18\n00:06:14,055 --> 00:06:22,052\n我們當然希望說他們能夠各省都來但是你現在你設定一天只有2000人你要人家怎麼來\n\n19\n00:06:23,175 --> 00:06:29,760\n好!這個我就講今天如果我今天兩個廠商我一天只能供應2000個產品我拜託你下一億的訂單人家怎麼下那是每天秀禮的不是每天進來的人一樣啊對啊那你就希望多嘛你2000人一年\n\n20\n00:06:43,930 --> 00:07:07,736\n滿的話一年多少人?一年多少嗎?兩千人一年多少人嗎?對啊,所以啊,你現在已經過於放寬我們不能一開始就設定那麼多的期待那很多業者就去投資了然後到時候,像大陸突然又把它關掉了那我們就,我們不想負責任了逐步來放寬所以你全部都假設性\n\n21\n00:07:08,416 --> 00:07:27,416\n他又停掉你有沒有去了解包括人家又停掉你有沒有去了解今天不好意思主席再給我幾十秒的時間今天假設你是在做生意我不相信有一個公司我原本有訂單突然沒訂單以後這個公司會說不要管他不要管他訂單就不要了你們有去溝通嗎完全沒有嘛\n\n22\n00:07:28,236 --> 00:07:53,098\n你們只得空喊話我們只有放話我們做生意也不能說只做一家嘛當然沒有只做一家我們會考慮其他的往來的對象不是啦那你每一家你都要掌握現在我們都在談論一家的業務嘛我們先兩千嘛如果真的順順利利我們還在開放嘛不要一開始就期待那麼大那大家都去投資嘛你不要開放那麼多可是你要人家來那麼多\n\n23\n00:07:53,959 --> 00:08:16,818\n你剛剛的回答一直都是這樣所以沒關係我們就把這個呈現在國人面前讓我們台灣人民清楚知道過去大陸放所有城市來的時候我們也是有配額的限制啊不是現在才這樣子啊過去這樣子所以其實即便過去都還輸給馬英九政府世代嗎所以你知道嗎\n\n24\n00:08:17,939 --> 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