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第一次看到你剛才我在電視、在現場也看到很多委員 針對我們這7張我們這個大陸大陸回合到福建基金會跟我們做這個旅遊已經也回合到我們這個福建平潭跟我們做客運這個客運的輪船已經可以開始行駛了我認為"},{"start":365.711,"end":370.335,"text":"我聽到說我們陸委會的回覆是說因為其他陸服務沒有開放這個案件沒有符合對等開放的原則也不是觀光理由的一個常態我在這裡覺得奇怪我們政府叫你說我們是要針對全民的福利、全民的利益為優先才對不是用政治角力的方式"},{"start":391.806,"end":392.006,"text":"丁學忠議員"},{"start":407.19,"end":415.416,"text":"法定要觀光客開來,法定要觀光客開來,我們也是一個國家,我們不是副屬單位,我們都認為我們是一個國家,我們是一個國家,我們用我們國家跟國家對談的方式,我們大家互相,大家在交流"},{"start":425.924,"end":430.151,"text":"發展觀光客開放你對我有誠意我對你也要釋出善意你不能一直說已經開始對我們有誠意我們觀光局限我們自己"},{"start":437.622,"end":438.903,"text":"現在各單位正在演繹當中"},{"start":459.557,"end":459.717,"text":"我們現在來處理臨時題目"}]}}}}