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00:02:31,701\n我們到目前為止本席也認為國安很重要本席也認為是說我們應該要加強防範但是我們最基本的或最基礎的國家級的警報到目前只沒有標準局長有沒有注意到這個問題標準的部分應該還是有一個作業標準跟程序去年年底去年選前突然間發一個國家級的警報說有飛彈飛越台灣\n\n7\n00:02:37,372 --> 00:02:58,280\n就後來發覺不是飛彈是衛星那個時候全部人都接收到國家級警報今年4月3號花蓮大地震很多的鄉親都講是說我沒有收到警報到4月的時候那麼多的餘震有人有收到有人沒收到那這樣子算不算國家級警報沒有標準\n\n8\n00:02:59,209 --> 00:03:28,059\n到底是什麼時候要發這個警報什麼時候不用發這個警報那衛星飛過突然間煞有其事說飛彈飛過那我想請教從去年到現在我們又有多少衛星飛過台灣上空有沒有掌握有都有從那一次之後國防部開始在每一次中共發射衛星火箭之前就做事先的告警都有事先告警但都沒有再發過國家級警報啦所以這是不是又是標準不一\n\n9\n00:03:29,702 --> 00:03:41,724\n局長你這樣就是證實了我們標準確實沒有一定嗎所以在選前的時候我就可以故意誘導飛彈飛過讓大家恐慌抗中保台又來了那完了之後又不用了\n\n10\n00:03:44,091 --> 00:04:05,767\n這個治安危機到底是我們政府自己製造的還是外部的攻擊就當時的狀況來講我們對於中共所發射的火箭或相關的飛彈我們都能夠掌握也會事先預判它的彈道中共那時候發的是火箭跟飛彈嗎講清楚喔我要講不管是火箭或飛彈我們都能夠掌握那以當時來講中共發生的那一次的國家級警報發的是什麼它當時是衛星火箭那誰誰把它發錯但\n\n11\n00:04:12,431 --> 00:04:20,837\n這後來有做一些內部的檢討,因為他自恃的內建的資訊的英文就給他寫成是MISO,所以造成外界有這樣的誤解,後來已經修訂了。這已經修訂了?\n\n12\n00:04:24,986 --> 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