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00:02:24,514\n所以基本工資法已經通過了4月份要針對這個做個評估報告請問勞動部次長你們報告如何基本工資法實施之後對於經濟跟就業狀況的影響報告出來了嗎我們現在已經請學者專家都已經整理好了已經整理好了狀況怎樣你要在這邊回答我啊不是整理好啊\n\n7\n00:02:26,371 --> 00:02:45,156\n基本工資對於實施的就業狀況有沒有提升有沒有改影響沒有我們現在這個基本工資改為最低工資那最低工資的部分呢我們會找學者專家組成一個你現在要告訴我你4月份報告已經出來了今天是5月1號啦你的報告還沒看過嗎\n\n8\n00:02:49,328 --> 00:03:11,307\n我跟委員報告我們現在這部分初步提出來之後現在還要再整理相關所以沒有辦法今天回答我今天是勞動節你要怎麼樣給勞工一個答案第二個主計長剛剛講的這些東西前面很多委員都在討論所以目前為止現在看起來我們公布的新鮮人的\n\n9\n00:03:12,847 --> 00:03:14,068\n主計長,這是事實吧?\n\n10\n00:03:32,169 --> 00:03:39,193\n大學畢業生出社會第一件事情有四分之一的人領基本工資是嗎?沒有這是出任人員的薪資統計結果大概就是職場新鮮人啦\n\n11\n00:03:48,186 --> 00:04:01,208\n好第二個專科或大學畢業生的薪資中位數目前是3萬也就是說有一半的大學畢業生薪水是低於3萬塊的目前為止是不是這樣大概是這個數字\n\n12\n00:04:06,709 --> 00:04:22,914\n我必須跟那個委員報告一下我們的基本工資這幾年是每年幾乎有調漲每年都有調漲但是新鮮人的薪水還是一樣啊主計長你調漲沒錯啊但是整體薪資沒有漲再講一次主計總處2月19號公布的薪資統計全體的受僱員工所有的勞工\n\n13\n00:04:26,315 --> 00:04:41,184\n替除物價因素後．去年的實際的經常性薪資只有41334元．年減0.05%．也就是連三年的負成長對吧這種是對的吧可是以今年二月已經變成正成長了謝謝\n\n14\n00:04:42,165 --> 00:04:42,385\n各位,剛剛講的\n\n15\n00:04:57,945 --> 00:05:14,463\n對,我們基本公司在調漲但是我們的實質薪資相對的在減少我必須跟委員報告一下最近8年來我們的實質總薪資是增加了4千多塊相對於前面一個8年只有增加了19塊所以我現在只跟你比啊102年啊也就是說剛剛講的\n\n16\n00:05:18,107 --> 00:05:24,070\n蔡英文總統上任的109年的實質薪資是41437塊到112年倒退到41334塊其實是減少了103塊剛剛講12年前民主進步黨因為只增加15塊把當時的執政黨罵翻現在12年後我們的薪資還到在109年到112年減少了103塊\n\n17\n00:05:48,241 --> 00:06:08,264\n這是值得驕傲的嗎?我們的經常性薪資8年是有增加啦我現在跟你講109年到112年對,因為你取的那一段是剛好是下跌的我們是取8年比較長的如果109年到112年我們不斷的在調漲然後又下降了那是怎麼回事呢?\n\n18\n00:06:08,824 --> 00:06:27,001\n對那個是物價的上漲因為物價吃掉了薪水是因為貨物戰爭那個物價但是長期的話我都知道你要講什麼但是因為是勞動節大家不要再掩住自己的眼睛了好嗎來勞動部市長你要怎麼回應這樣的狀況\n\n19\n00:06:29,176 --> 00:06:49,511\n我想我們勞動部有提出很多鼓勵青年加值計畫包括鼓勵他去考政法今天是勞動節大家希望的是看到實質薪資不斷的調漲最後一個問題接下去明年我們有沒有可能基本薪資有機會調漲3%因為GDP明年的預估大概是3%\n\n20\n00:06:50,877 --> 00:07:13,980\n跟黃委員報告因為現在是變成最低工資那最低工資我們會有一個審議委員會會考量諸多的因素包括物價也考量經濟成長這兩個是臺灣重要的事情薪資很重要不是只是12年前講的話12年後我們坐在這裡講的意外是一樣的話好接下來我想問一下請主計長\n\n21\n00:07:16,373 --> 00:07:30,644\n這個新的主計長陳淑芝也是您推薦的嗎那個是我跟委員報告一下蔡總統認識她比我認識她還近她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她的主張你應該很了解吧\n\n22\n00:07:32,598 --> 00:07:45,569\n我當然他是從這個20幾歲就當主計人員到65歲退休是更正苗紅的主計人員來這邊就是更重要就是說他會確認你的工作他是一個很適當的主計長的人選謝謝\n\n23\n00:07:48,832 --> 00:08:05,892\n我同意啊就是新的主計長他曾經在民國97年寫了一個碩士論文他原來也是台南市的主計長然後在台南他的確也把台南的債務降債減少百億也達到了領取債這是一件好事\n\n24\n00:08:06,713 --> 00:08:25,945\n那主計長你自己在學界的時候曾經也說過我們政府的財政垂直不均然後希望能夠把所得稅、貨物稅提供適當的比例給地方這是在朱主計長你以前的主張對吧那個我跟委員報告一下現在的財化法那個分配比例是我當時候\n\n25\n00:08:26,886 --> 00:08:43,831\n您已經改善很多了對接受財政部委託財政部也採用了部分的意見我看到很榮幸所以主計長我想你看陳淑芝在97年說得很清楚因為地方政府都有一樣的痛財化法要盡快修法1999年到現在我們其實每次闖關每次都沒有過\n\n26\n00:08:49,092 --> 00:09:05,258\n陳淑芝主計長提出要修財化法賴清德總統在台南市長任內也主張要修財化法我想請問一下接下來的行政院有沒有要修財化法還是您要卸任了所以你不知道那接下來的財政部次長要不要回答我這個問題\n\n27\n00:09:08,841 --> 00:09:24,574\n財化法是一個非常政治化的問題是那我在想說財化法這一部分我想基本上我現在就跟您說我們民眾黨已經提出來了我相信各黨團都會提出來\n\n28\n00:09:25,154 --> 00:09:36,369\n而且這件事情財化法的版本在蔡英文總統八年任期內沒有提出一個版本是令我比較遺憾的因為至少在每一個政黨在歷年來從87年到101年\n\n29\n00:09:40,214 --> 00:10:02,957\n大家都爭取過很多可是過去8年沒有主張過我只想知道財政部接下去對於財政收支劃分法有沒有想法有沒有未來的規劃因為部長會留任部長接下去他必須要統籌全國財政的分配這個部分是不是\n\n30\n00:10:03,838 --> 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第二個專科或大學畢業生的薪資中位數目前是3萬也就是說有一半的大學畢業生薪水是低於3萬塊的目前為止是不是這樣大概是這個數字\n246709\t262914\t我必須跟那個委員報告一下我們的基本工資這幾年是每年幾乎有調漲每年都有調漲但是新鮮人的薪水還是一樣啊主計長你調漲沒錯啊但是整體薪資沒有漲再講一次主計總處2月19號公布的薪資統計全體的受僱員工所有的勞工\n266315\t281184\t替除物價因素後．去年的實際的經常性薪資只有41334元．年減0.05%．也就是連三年的負成長對吧這種是對的吧可是以今年二月已經變成正成長了謝謝\n282165\t282385\t各位,剛剛講的\n297945\t314463\t對,我們基本公司在調漲但是我們的實質薪資相對的在減少我必須跟委員報告一下最近8年來我們的實質總薪資是增加了4千多塊相對於前面一個8年只有增加了19塊所以我現在只跟你比啊102年啊也就是說剛剛講的\n318107\t324070\t蔡英文總統上任的109年的實質薪資是41437塊到112年倒退到41334塊其實是減少了103塊剛剛講12年前民主進步黨因為只增加15塊把當時的執政黨罵翻現在12年後我們的薪資還到在109年到112年減少了103塊\n348241\t368264\t這是值得驕傲的嗎?我們的經常性薪資8年是有增加啦我現在跟你講109年到112年對,因為你取的那一段是剛好是下跌的我們是取8年比較長的如果109年到112年我們不斷的在調漲然後又下降了那是怎麼回事呢?\n368824\t387001\t對那個是物價的上漲因為物價吃掉了薪水是因為貨物戰爭那個物價但是長期的話我都知道你要講什麼但是因為是勞動節大家不要再掩住自己的眼睛了好嗎來勞動部市長你要怎麼回應這樣的狀況\n389176\t409511\t我想我們勞動部有提出很多鼓勵青年加值計畫包括鼓勵他去考政法今天是勞動節大家希望的是看到實質薪資不斷的調漲最後一個問題接下去明年我們有沒有可能基本薪資有機會調漲3%因為GDP明年的預估大概是3%\n410877\t433980\t跟黃委員報告因為現在是變成最低工資那最低工資我們會有一個審議委員會會考量諸多的因素包括物價也考量經濟成長這兩個是臺灣重要的事情薪資很重要不是只是12年前講的話12年後我們坐在這裡講的意外是一樣的話好接下來我想問一下請主計長\n436373\t450644\t這個新的主計長陳淑芝也是您推薦的嗎那個是我跟委員報告一下蔡總統認識她比我認識她還近她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她的主張你應該很了解吧\n452598\t465569\t我當然他是從這個20幾歲就當主計人員到65歲退休是更正苗紅的主計人員來這邊就是更重要就是說他會確認你的工作他是一個很適當的主計長的人選謝謝\n468832\t485892\t我同意啊就是新的主計長他曾經在民國97年寫了一個碩士論文他原來也是台南市的主計長然後在台南他的確也把台南的債務降債減少百億也達到了領取債這是一件好事\n486713\t505945\t那主計長你自己在學界的時候曾經也說過我們政府的財政垂直不均然後希望能夠把所得稅、貨物稅提供適當的比例給地方這是在朱主計長你以前的主張對吧那個我跟委員報告一下現在的財化法那個分配比例是我當時候\n506886\t523831\t您已經改善很多了對接受財政部委託財政部也採用了部分的意見我看到很榮幸所以主計長我想你看陳淑芝在97年說得很清楚因為地方政府都有一樣的痛財化法要盡快修法1999年到現在我們其實每次闖關每次都沒有過\n529092\t545258\t陳淑芝主計長提出要修財化法賴清德總統在台南市長任內也主張要修財化法我想請問一下接下來的行政院有沒有要修財化法還是您要卸任了所以你不知道那接下來的財政部次長要不要回答我這個問題\n548841\t564574\t財化法是一個非常政治化的問題是那我在想說財化法這一部分我想基本上我現在就跟您說我們民眾黨已經提出來了我相信各黨團都會提出來\n565154\t576369\t而且這件事情財化法的版本在蔡英文總統八年任期內沒有提出一個版本是令我比較遺憾的因為至少在每一個政黨在歷年來從87年到101年\n580214\t602957\t大家都爭取過很多可是過去8年沒有主張過我只想知道財政部接下去對於財政收支劃分法有沒有想法有沒有未來的規劃因為部長會留任部長接下去他必須要統籌全國財政的分配這個部分是不是\n603838\t632896\t財政部要給我們一個初步的回答基本上是這樣子我們財劃法是這樣子基本上也要考慮到中央的財政的問題當然另外也要兼顧到地方的財政來我現在就念97年主計長他的主張他說財劃法要進行修法確立地方實質財源只增不減的原則要擴大中央統籌分配稅款的規模包括剛剛主計長朱主計長之前的主張貨物稅、所得稅應該提撥一定的比例給地方\n634517\t653033\t財化法、知識維修法導致地方財源短缺、舉債瀕臨上限甚至連公共債務法都應該一併檢討這部分請財政部就未來的部長我們也希望你們在這個內容裡面可以跟新的主計長大家一起討論財化法的收支是,我們會來努力,會來努力謝謝,謝謝委員執教\n656317\t663394\t好 謝謝黃珊珊委員的質詢我們待會12點就不休息開放用餐緊接著我們請吳立華委員質詢\n","txt":"財政部次長藍次長請徐國發會副主委徐副主委請委員長是\n好 主席長我想今天是勞動節那我給大家看一個12年前的一個新聞12年前的4月30號也就是12年前那時候是國民黨執政當時的民主進入黨的立法院黨團開了一個記者會說5月1號勞動節臺灣的勞工越忙越窮長工時低工資過勞死\n要求動漲電價．調漲基本工資．降低工時．落實勞工檢查十二年過去了．我們現在在立法院講的話．跟十二年前差不多．只是勿換心儀．換了一個黨執政．這八年．狀況依舊如此．立法院依舊在要求動漲電價．調漲基本工資．降低工時．落實勞動檢查次長、勞動部\n今天要對勞工說些什麼?這12年過去的這些問題為什麼還繼續存在?好,謝謝黃委員的質詢。我想,針對基本工資或是最低工資,這8年來其實我們有不斷的上升。你們做了很多努力,但是你們滿意嗎?因為12年前比起來,你看看喔,100年度實質經常性薪資較99年度增加15塊,所以被罵到翻掉。同樣的,我今天要問的是,\n台電從4月起電價調漲了11%高鐵便當漲了10%黑松沙士漲了25%物價起漲然後主計總處這邊的CPI2月份預估1.85已經調升到2.03經濟成長率目前大概預估是3.43對吧主計長對\n所以基本工資法已經通過了4月份要針對這個做個評估報告請問勞動部次長你們報告如何基本工資法實施之後對於經濟跟就業狀況的影響報告出來了嗎我們現在已經請學者專家都已經整理好了已經整理好了狀況怎樣你要在這邊回答我啊不是整理好啊\n基本工資對於實施的就業狀況有沒有提升有沒有改影響沒有我們現在這個基本工資改為最低工資那最低工資的部分呢我們會找學者專家組成一個你現在要告訴我你4月份報告已經出來了今天是5月1號啦你的報告還沒看過嗎\n我跟委員報告我們現在這部分初步提出來之後現在還要再整理相關所以沒有辦法今天回答我今天是勞動節你要怎麼樣給勞工一個答案第二個主計長剛剛講的這些東西前面很多委員都在討論所以目前為止現在看起來我們公布的新鮮人的\n主計長,這是事實吧?\n大學畢業生出社會第一件事情有四分之一的人領基本工資是嗎?沒有這是出任人員的薪資統計結果大概就是職場新鮮人啦\n好 第二個專科或大學畢業生的薪資中位數目前是3萬也就是說有一半的大學畢業生薪水是低於3萬塊的目前為止是不是這樣大概是這個數字\n我必須跟那個委員報告一下我們的基本工資這幾年是每年幾乎有調漲每年都有調漲但是新鮮人的薪水還是一樣啊主計長你調漲沒錯啊但是整體薪資沒有漲再講一次主計總處2月19號公布的薪資統計全體的受僱員工所有的勞工\n替除物價因素後．去年的實際的經常性薪資只有41334元．年減0.05%．也就是連三年的負成長對吧這種是對的吧可是以今年二月已經變成正成長了謝謝\n各位,剛剛講的\n對,我們基本公司在調漲但是我們的實質薪資相對的在減少我必須跟委員報告一下最近8年來我們的實質總薪資是增加了4千多塊相對於前面一個8年只有增加了19塊所以我現在只跟你比啊102年啊也就是說剛剛講的\n蔡英文總統上任的109年的實質薪資是41437塊到112年倒退到41334塊其實是減少了103塊剛剛講12年前民主進步黨因為只增加15塊把當時的執政黨罵翻現在12年後我們的薪資還到在109年到112年減少了103塊\n這是值得驕傲的嗎?我們的經常性薪資8年是有增加啦我現在跟你講109年到112年對,因為你取的那一段是剛好是下跌的我們是取8年比較長的如果109年到112年我們不斷的在調漲然後又下降了那是怎麼回事呢?\n對那個是物價的上漲因為物價吃掉了薪水是因為貨物戰爭那個物價但是長期的話我都知道你要講什麼但是因為是勞動節大家不要再掩住自己的眼睛了好嗎來勞動部市長你要怎麼回應這樣的狀況\n我想我們勞動部有提出很多鼓勵青年加值計畫包括鼓勵他去考政法今天是勞動節大家希望的是看到實質薪資不斷的調漲最後一個問題接下去明年我們有沒有可能基本薪資有機會調漲3%因為GDP明年的預估大概是3%\n跟黃委員報告因為現在是變成最低工資那最低工資我們會有一個審議委員會會考量諸多的因素包括物價也考量經濟成長這兩個是臺灣重要的事情薪資很重要不是只是12年前講的話12年後我們坐在這裡講的意外是一樣的話好接下來我想問一下請主計長\n這個新的主計長陳淑芝也是您推薦的嗎那個是我跟委員報告一下蔡總統認識她比我認識她還近她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她的主張你應該很了解吧\n我當然他是從這個20幾歲就當主計人員到65歲退休是更正苗紅的主計人員來這邊就是更重要就是說他會確認你的工作他是一個很適當的主計長的人選謝謝\n我同意啊就是新的主計長他曾經在民國97年寫了一個碩士論文他原來也是台南市的主計長然後在台南他的確也把台南的債務降債減少百億也達到了領取債這是一件好事\n那主計長你自己在學界的時候曾經也說過我們政府的財政垂直不均然後希望能夠把所得稅、貨物稅提供適當的比例給地方這是在朱主計長你以前的主張對吧那個我跟委員報告一下現在的財化法那個分配比例是我當時候\n您已經改善很多了對接受財政部委託財政部也採用了部分的意見我看到很榮幸所以主計長我想你看陳淑芝在97年說得很清楚因為地方政府都有一樣的痛財化法要盡快修法1999年到現在我們其實每次闖關每次都沒有過\n陳淑芝主計長提出要修財化法賴清德總統在台南市長任內也主張要修財化法我想請問一下接下來的行政院有沒有要修財化法還是您要卸任了所以你不知道那接下來的財政部次長要不要回答我這個問題\n財化法是一個非常政治化的問題是那我在想說財化法這一部分我想基本上我現在就跟您說我們民眾黨已經提出來了我相信各黨團都會提出來\n而且這件事情財化法的版本在蔡英文總統八年任期內沒有提出一個版本是令我比較遺憾的因為至少在每一個政黨在歷年來從87年到101年\n大家都爭取過很多可是過去8年沒有主張過我只想知道財政部接下去對於財政收支劃分法有沒有想法有沒有未來的規劃因為部長會留任部長接下去他必須要統籌全國財政的分配這個部分是不是\n財政部要給我們一個初步的回答基本上是這樣子我們財劃法是這樣子基本上也要考慮到中央的財政的問題當然另外也要兼顧到地方的財政來我現在就念97年主計長他的主張他說財劃法要進行修法確立地方實質財源只增不減的原則要擴大中央統籌分配稅款的規模包括剛剛主計長朱主計長之前的主張貨物稅、所得稅應該提撥一定的比例給地方\n財化法、知識維修法導致地方財源短缺、舉債瀕臨上限甚至連公共債務法都應該一併檢討這部分請財政部就未來的部長我們也希望你們在這個內容裡面可以跟新的主計長大家一起討論財化法的收支是,我們會來努力,會來努力謝謝,謝謝委員執教\n好 謝謝黃珊珊委員的質詢我們待會12點就不休息開放用餐緊接著我們請吳立華委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.209 --> 00:03.152\n財政部次長藍次長請徐國發會副主委徐副主委請委員長是\n\n00:14.462 --> 00:33.009\n好主席長我想今天是勞動節那我給大家看一個12年前的一個新聞12年前的4月30號也就是12年前那時候是國民黨執政當時的民主進入黨的立法院黨團開了一個記者會說5月1號勞動節臺灣的勞工越忙越窮長工時低工資過勞死\n\n00:41.292 --> 01:06.642\n要求動漲電價．調漲基本工資．降低工時．落實勞工檢查十二年過去了．我們現在在立法院講的話．跟十二年前差不多．只是勿換心儀．換了一個黨執政．這八年．狀況依舊如此．立法院依舊在要求動漲電價．調漲基本工資．降低工時．落實勞動檢查次長、勞動部\n\n01:11.431 --> 01:38.792\n今天要對勞工說些什麼?這12年過去的這些問題為什麼還繼續存在?好,謝謝黃委員的質詢。我想,針對基本工資或是最低工資,這8年來其實我們有不斷的上升。你們做了很多努力,但是你們滿意嗎?因為12年前比起來,你看看喔,100年度實質經常性薪資較99年度增加15塊,所以被罵到翻掉。同樣的,我今天要問的是,\n\n01:39.733 --> 01:44.877\n台電從4月起電價調漲了11%高鐵便當漲了10%黑松沙士漲了25%物價起漲然後主計總處這邊的CPI2月份預估1.85已經調升到2.03經濟成長率目前大概預估是3.43對吧主計長對\n\n02:02.560 --> 02:24.514\n所以基本工資法已經通過了4月份要針對這個做個評估報告請問勞動部次長你們報告如何基本工資法實施之後對於經濟跟就業狀況的影響報告出來了嗎我們現在已經請學者專家都已經整理好了已經整理好了狀況怎樣你要在這邊回答我啊不是整理好啊\n\n02:26.371 --> 02:45.156\n基本工資對於實施的就業狀況有沒有提升有沒有改影響沒有我們現在這個基本工資改為最低工資那最低工資的部分呢我們會找學者專家組成一個你現在要告訴我你4月份報告已經出來了今天是5月1號啦你的報告還沒看過嗎\n\n02:49.328 --> 03:11.307\n我跟委員報告我們現在這部分初步提出來之後現在還要再整理相關所以沒有辦法今天回答我今天是勞動節你要怎麼樣給勞工一個答案第二個主計長剛剛講的這些東西前面很多委員都在討論所以目前為止現在看起來我們公布的新鮮人的\n\n03:12.847 --> 03:14.068\n主計長,這是事實吧?\n\n03:32.169 --> 03:39.193\n大學畢業生出社會第一件事情有四分之一的人領基本工資是嗎?沒有這是出任人員的薪資統計結果大概就是職場新鮮人啦\n\n03:48.186 --> 04:01.208\n好第二個專科或大學畢業生的薪資中位數目前是3萬也就是說有一半的大學畢業生薪水是低於3萬塊的目前為止是不是這樣大概是這個數字\n\n04:06.709 --> 04:22.914\n我必須跟那個委員報告一下我們的基本工資這幾年是每年幾乎有調漲每年都有調漲但是新鮮人的薪水還是一樣啊主計長你調漲沒錯啊但是整體薪資沒有漲再講一次主計總處2月19號公布的薪資統計全體的受僱員工所有的勞工\n\n04:26.315 --> 04:41.184\n替除物價因素後．去年的實際的經常性薪資只有41334元．年減0.05%．也就是連三年的負成長對吧這種是對的吧可是以今年二月已經變成正成長了謝謝\n\n04:42.165 --> 04:42.385\n各位,剛剛講的\n\n04:57.945 --> 05:14.463\n對,我們基本公司在調漲但是我們的實質薪資相對的在減少我必須跟委員報告一下最近8年來我們的實質總薪資是增加了4千多塊相對於前面一個8年只有增加了19塊所以我現在只跟你比啊102年啊也就是說剛剛講的\n\n05:18.107 --> 05:24.070\n蔡英文總統上任的109年的實質薪資是41437塊到112年倒退到41334塊其實是減少了103塊剛剛講12年前民主進步黨因為只增加15塊把當時的執政黨罵翻現在12年後我們的薪資還到在109年到112年減少了103塊\n\n05:48.241 --> 06:08.264\n這是值得驕傲的嗎?我們的經常性薪資8年是有增加啦我現在跟你講109年到112年對,因為你取的那一段是剛好是下跌的我們是取8年比較長的如果109年到112年我們不斷的在調漲然後又下降了那是怎麼回事呢?\n\n06:08.824 --> 06:27.001\n對那個是物價的上漲因為物價吃掉了薪水是因為貨物戰爭那個物價但是長期的話我都知道你要講什麼但是因為是勞動節大家不要再掩住自己的眼睛了好嗎來勞動部市長你要怎麼回應這樣的狀況\n\n06:29.176 --> 06:49.511\n我想我們勞動部有提出很多鼓勵青年加值計畫包括鼓勵他去考政法今天是勞動節大家希望的是看到實質薪資不斷的調漲最後一個問題接下去明年我們有沒有可能基本薪資有機會調漲3%因為GDP明年的預估大概是3%\n\n06:50.877 --> 07:13.980\n跟黃委員報告因為現在是變成最低工資那最低工資我們會有一個審議委員會會考量諸多的因素包括物價也考量經濟成長這兩個是臺灣重要的事情薪資很重要不是只是12年前講的話12年後我們坐在這裡講的意外是一樣的話好接下來我想問一下請主計長\n\n07:16.373 --> 07:30.644\n這個新的主計長陳淑芝也是您推薦的嗎那個是我跟委員報告一下蔡總統認識她比我認識她還近她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她不必我推薦她的主張你應該很了解吧\n\n07:32.598 --> 07:45.569\n我當然他是從這個20幾歲就當主計人員到65歲退休是更正苗紅的主計人員來這邊就是更重要就是說他會確認你的工作他是一個很適當的主計長的人選謝謝\n\n07:48.832 --> 08:05.892\n我同意啊就是新的主計長他曾經在民國97年寫了一個碩士論文他原來也是台南市的主計長然後在台南他的確也把台南的債務降債減少百億也達到了領取債這是一件好事\n\n08:06.713 --> 08:25.945\n那主計長你自己在學界的時候曾經也說過我們政府的財政垂直不均然後希望能夠把所得稅、貨物稅提供適當的比例給地方這是在朱主計長你以前的主張對吧那個我跟委員報告一下現在的財化法那個分配比例是我當時候\n\n08:26.886 --> 08:43.831\n您已經改善很多了對接受財政部委託財政部也採用了部分的意見我看到很榮幸所以主計長我想你看陳淑芝在97年說得很清楚因為地方政府都有一樣的痛財化法要盡快修法1999年到現在我們其實每次闖關每次都沒有過\n\n08:49.092 --> 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