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00:02:12,341\n立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期\n\n7\n00:02:18,266 --> 00:02:19,209\n這不是迴避的問題這就是法案的問題這是今天要討論法案的議題\n\n8\n00:02:28,273 --> 00:02:33,955\n你之前做了那麼多事我們也都很清楚我沒有問你這個問題我現在先跟你談第一個問題請問一下你們最近北高行109年數字1435號中天電視換照的你們的敗訴理由是什麼\n\n9\n00:02:52,795 --> 00:03:00,677\n立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織\n\n10\n00:03:17,261 --> 00:03:20,002\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案\n\n11\n00:03:40,566 --> 00:04:02,335\n我來幫你講他說你應該準用107年2月8號的審查辦法的評分基準但是你們卻用109年的那我覺得這個是不是很離譜那如果照你們這樣講那你在學校當老師那學生評分標準可以到時候改來改去嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:02,935 --> 00:04:05,898\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案\n\n13\n00:04:22,876 --> 00:04:46,315\n今天這個標準不是只有在中天,所謂的包括中天、中澳台甚至其他的新聞台、環州都是同一道標準,沒有這個問題我跟你講喔,NCC現在在很多人的眼中,台灣的媒體在大部分人的眼中我覺得怎麼樣大家心裡都已經有定見了啦那我也尊重你是從學界來的但是呢,我今天看到的北高型的判決,它根本就不是你的說法嘛\n\n14\n00:04:46,715 --> 00:04:57,439\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組�\n\n15\n00:05:16,425 --> 00:05:39,919\n我剛說的全部是依照北高型的判決來論述你也不用跟我解釋那麼多如果你們有意見你之後你再去上訴之後你們再去提你們的意見那我再請教你下一個問題來那個我們這一次有委員會有調查委員會有去跟你們調閱資料調閱那個進電視的資料為什麼可以不給\n\n16\n00:05:44,861 --> 00:05:59,953\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第27條條文修\n\n17\n00:06:14,825 --> 00:06:20,949\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制\n\n18\n00:06:34,218 --> 00:06:48,931\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）委員併案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員\n\n19\n00:06:58,424 --> 00:07:06,891\n立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第22屆第23屆第24屆第27屆第28屆第28屆第29屆第30屆第40屆第41屆第41屆第41屆第42屆第42屆第42屆第43屆第44屆第45屆第46屆第47屆第47屆第47屆第48屆第48屆第49屆第49屆第50屆第50屆第51屆第51屆第52屆第52屆第52屆第53屆第53屆第53屆第54屆第54屆第54屆第56屆第56屆第57屆第57屆第57\n\n20\n00:07:25,047 --> 00:07:52,142\n這個跟培委是不是被告也完全無關我不懂為什麼你們可以覺得這樣我不爽就不給你們我跟你講啦之前慶富案的時候調查人家就沒有那麼多意見啦立法院要跟他調資料他們就該給的就都給為什麼今天到NCC來之後就可以不用給另外你們審照是依據衛星傳播電視法所以你也不要跟我說這跟法律案完全無關\n\n21\n00:07:53,183 --> 00:07:59,625\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。此外,民進黨整天就是要言論自由、言論自由。他從來沒有跟你、從來沒有、但他都沒有做到。我最後跟你講一個東西啦。拜託主席最後齁。\n\n22\n00:08:20,543 --> 00:08:25,134\n我跟你說我從來不覺得我們台灣是制度發生問題\n\n23\n00:08:26,738 --> 00:08:51,033\n我自己這段時間看下來問題都在人啦制度都沒有問題所有的制度設計都非常的好結果到我們台灣來所有的制度都被人在玩弄要嘛你們就鑽肉洞要嘛你們就是去濫用權力我今天看到的就是這樣NCG的存在非常棒這也是言論自由保障的一環但是就是有人\n\n24\n00:08:51,793 --> 00:09:16,106\n人去濫用這個制度濫用這個權限用這個東西去做他的政治攻擊包括我們的監察院也是一堆人濫用監察權去做政治攻擊包括一堆人濫用NCC的權利去做政治攻擊這個就是我看到的制度制度沒問題但是濫用的是人好謝謝各位制度沒問題就不應該修法嘛謝謝感謝吳委員等座委員\n\n25\n00:09:21,654 --> 00:09:39,903\n制度原本設計沒有問題,就是人濫用制度,所以我們今天不得不就組織法去修法,更嚴謹去排除這些濫用權利的這些人。今天制度原本設計非常美好,但是就是有人濫用,濫用之後逼得我們不得不去修改制度。\n\n26\n00:09:40,623 --> 00:09:54,831\n我要告訴你就是這個,其他你不用再發言了。不管有什麼樣的情緒,有人說你既然就是政府官嘛,你維持對本人的適當、基本的尊重,這是應該的。\n\n27\n00:09:56,452 --> 00:09:59,835\n委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案案案案案\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n149\t25587\t接受請吳宗賢委員質詢你不就要來給我敬禮一下好 我們請 呃 主委我不會請你 你 要叫警署來\n27779\t31922\t現在請我們來自屏東的丹耀雄主委。好,主委好。來,主委\n46957\t67871\t昨年6月28日我們台灣有舉辦一個世界新聞媒體的年會開幕當時副總統賴清德出席的時候他就致詞說新聞自由是台灣的核心價值而且說台灣的媒體可以報導任何想報導的內容也可以不受拘束的批評政府請問\n69292\t92874\t主委認同這句話嗎?那我請教主委齁,因為剛剛黃國昌委員有提到說你今天一早就到立法院之後就去民進黨黨團嘛那你有同時去國民黨或民眾黨的黨團嗎?那個黨團的邀請我當然會去啊,就基本上我們要溝通的相關的法案或預算這個本來就是主委的責任\n93635\t94135\t國際通訊傳播委員會組織法第1條黨政軍退出媒體\n112824\t132341\t立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期\n138266\t139209\t這不是迴避的問題這就是法案的問題這是今天要討論法案的議題\n148273\t153955\t你之前做了那麼多事我們也都很清楚我沒有問你這個問題我現在先跟你談第一個問題請問一下你們最近北高行109年數字1435號中天電視換照的你們的敗訴理由是什麼\n172795\t180677\t立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織\n197261\t200002\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案\n220566\t242335\t我來幫你講他說你應該準用107年2月8號的審查辦法的評分基準但是你們卻用109年的那我覺得這個是不是很離譜那如果照你們這樣講那你在學校當老師那學生評分標準可以到時候改來改去嗎?\n242935\t245898\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案\n262876\t286315\t今天這個標準不是只有在中天,所謂的包括中天、中澳台甚至其他的新聞台、環州都是同一道標準,沒有這個問題我跟你講喔,NCC現在在很多人的眼中,台灣的媒體在大部分人的眼中我覺得怎麼樣大家心裡都已經有定見了啦那我也尊重你是從學界來的但是呢,我今天看到的北高型的判決,它根本就不是你的說法嘛\n286715\t297439\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組�\n316425\t339919\t我剛說的全部是依照北高型的判決來論述你也不用跟我解釋那麼多如果你們有意見你之後你再去上訴之後你們再去提你們的意見那我再請教你下一個問題來那個我們這一次有委員會有調查委員會有去跟你們調閱資料調閱那個進電視的資料為什麼可以不給\n344861\t359953\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第27條條文修\n374825\t380949\t立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制\n394218\t408931\t通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）委員併案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員\n418424\t426891\t立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第22屆第23屆第24屆第27屆第28屆第28屆第29屆第30屆第40屆第41屆第41屆第41屆第42屆第42屆第42屆第43屆第44屆第45屆第46屆第47屆第47屆第47屆第48屆第48屆第49屆第49屆第50屆第50屆第51屆第51屆第52屆第52屆第52屆第53屆第53屆第53屆第54屆第54屆第54屆第56屆第56屆第57屆第57屆第57\n445047\t472142\t這個跟培委是不是被告也完全無關我不懂為什麼你們可以覺得這樣我不爽就不給你們我跟你講啦之前慶富案的時候調查人家就沒有那麼多意見啦立法院要跟他調資料他們就該給的就都給為什麼今天到NCC來之後就可以不用給另外你們審照是依據衛星傳播電視法所以你也不要跟我說這跟法律案完全無關\n473183\t479625\t通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。此外,民進黨整天就是要言論自由、言論自由。他從來沒有跟你、從來沒有、但他都沒有做到。我最後跟你講一個東西啦。拜託主席最後齁。\n500543\t505134\t我跟你說我從來不覺得我們台灣是制度發生問題\n506738\t531033\t我自己這段時間看下來問題都在人啦制度都沒有問題所有的制度設計都非常的好結果到我們台灣來所有的制度都被人在玩弄要嘛你們就鑽肉洞要嘛你們就是去濫用權力我今天看到的就是這樣NCG的存在非常棒這也是言論自由保障的一環但是就是有人\n531793\t556106\t人去濫用這個制度濫用這個權限用這個東西去做他的政治攻擊包括我們的監察院也是一堆人濫用監察權去做政治攻擊包括一堆人濫用NCC的權利去做政治攻擊這個就是我看到的制度制度沒問題但是濫用的是人好謝謝各位制度沒問題就不應該修法嘛謝謝感謝吳委員等座委員\n561654\t579903\t制度原本設計沒有問題,就是人濫用制度,所以我們今天不得不就組織法去修法,更嚴謹去排除這些濫用權利的這些人。今天制度原本設計非常美好,但是就是有人濫用,濫用之後逼得我們不得不去修改制度。\n580623\t594831\t我要告訴你就是這個,其他你不用再發言了。不管有什麼樣的情緒,有人說你既然就是政府官嘛,你維持對本人的適當、基本的尊重,這是應該的。\n596452\t599835\t委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案案案案案\n","txt":"接受請吳宗賢委員質詢你不就要來給我敬禮一下好 我們請 呃 主委我不會請你 你 要叫警署來\n現在請我們來自屏東的丹耀雄主委。好,主委好。來,主委\n昨年6月28日我們台灣有舉辦一個世界新聞媒體的年會開幕當時副總統賴清德出席的時候他就致詞說新聞自由是台灣的核心價值而且說台灣的媒體可以報導任何想報導的內容也可以不受拘束的批評政府請問\n主委認同這句話嗎?那我請教主委齁,因為剛剛黃國昌委員有提到說你今天一早就到立法院之後就去民進黨黨團嘛那你有同時去國民黨或民眾黨的黨團嗎?那個黨團的邀請我當然會去啊,就基本上我們要溝通的相關的法案或預算這個本來就是主委的責任\n國際通訊傳播委員會組織法第1條黨政軍退出媒體\n立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期\n這不是迴避的問題這就是法案的問題這是今天要討論法案的議題\n你之前做了那麼多事我們也都很清楚我沒有問你這個問題我現在先跟你談第一個問題請問一下你們最近北高行109年數字1435號中天電視換照的你們的敗訴理由是什麼\n立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案\n我來幫你講他說你應該準用107年2月8號的審查辦法的評分基準但是你們卻用109年的那我覺得這個是不是很離譜那如果照你們這樣講那你在學校當老師那學生評分標準可以到時候改來改去嗎?\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案\n今天這個標準不是只有在中天,所謂的包括中天、中澳台甚至其他的新聞台、環州都是同一道標準,沒有這個問題我跟你講喔,NCC現在在很多人的眼中,台灣的媒體在大部分人的眼中我覺得怎麼樣大家心裡都已經有定見了啦那我也尊重你是從學界來的但是呢,我今天看到的北高型的判決,它根本就不是你的說法嘛\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組�\n我剛說的全部是依照北高型的判決來論述你也不用跟我解釋那麼多如果你們有意見你之後你再去上訴之後你們再去提你們的意見那我再請教你下一個問題來那個我們這一次有委員會有調查委員會有去跟你們調閱資料調閱那個進電視的資料為什麼可以不給\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第27條條文修\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）委員併案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員\n立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第22屆第23屆第24屆第27屆第28屆第28屆第29屆第30屆第40屆第41屆第41屆第41屆第42屆第42屆第42屆第43屆第44屆第45屆第46屆第47屆第47屆第47屆第48屆第48屆第49屆第49屆第50屆第50屆第51屆第51屆第52屆第52屆第52屆第53屆第53屆第53屆第54屆第54屆第54屆第56屆第56屆第57屆第57屆第57\n這個跟培委是不是被告也完全無關我不懂為什麼你們可以覺得這樣我不爽就不給你們我跟你講啦之前慶富案的時候調查人家就沒有那麼多意見啦立法院要跟他調資料他們就該給的就都給為什麼今天到NCC來之後就可以不用給另外你們審照是依據衛星傳播電視法所以你也不要跟我說這跟法律案完全無關\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。此外,民進黨整天就是要言論自由、言論自由。他從來沒有跟你、從來沒有、但他都沒有做到。我最後跟你講一個東西啦。拜託主席最後齁。\n我跟你說我從來不覺得我們台灣是制度發生問題\n我自己這段時間看下來問題都在人啦制度都沒有問題所有的制度設計都非常的好結果到我們台灣來所有的制度都被人在玩弄要嘛你們就鑽肉洞要嘛你們就是去濫用權力我今天看到的就是這樣NCG的存在非常棒這也是言論自由保障的一環但是就是有人\n人去濫用這個制度濫用這個權限用這個東西去做他的政治攻擊包括我們的監察院也是一堆人濫用監察權去做政治攻擊包括一堆人濫用NCC的權利去做政治攻擊這個就是我看到的制度制度沒問題但是濫用的是人好謝謝各位制度沒問題就不應該修法嘛謝謝感謝吳委員等座委員\n制度原本設計沒有問題,就是人濫用制度,所以我們今天不得不就組織法去修法,更嚴謹去排除這些濫用權利的這些人。今天制度原本設計非常美好,但是就是有人濫用,濫用之後逼得我們不得不去修改制度。\n我要告訴你就是這個,其他你不用再發言了。不管有什麼樣的情緒,有人說你既然就是政府官嘛,你維持對本人的適當、基本的尊重,這是應該的。\n委員傅崐萁等23人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案案案案案案案\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.149 --> 00:25.587\n接受請吳宗賢委員質詢你不就要來給我敬禮一下好我們請呃主委我不會請你你要叫警署來\n\n00:27.779 --> 00:31.922\n現在請我們來自屏東的丹耀雄主委。好,主委好。來,主委\n\n00:46.957 --> 01:07.871\n昨年6月28日我們台灣有舉辦一個世界新聞媒體的年會開幕當時副總統賴清德出席的時候他就致詞說新聞自由是台灣的核心價值而且說台灣的媒體可以報導任何想報導的內容也可以不受拘束的批評政府請問\n\n01:09.292 --> 01:32.874\n主委認同這句話嗎?那我請教主委齁,因為剛剛黃國昌委員有提到說你今天一早就到立法院之後就去民進黨黨團嘛那你有同時去國民黨或民眾黨的黨團嗎?那個黨團的邀請我當然會去啊,就基本上我們要溝通的相關的法案或預算這個本來就是主委的責任\n\n01:33.635 --> 01:34.135\n國際通訊傳播委員會組織法第1條黨政軍退出媒體\n\n01:52.824 --> 02:12.341\n立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期\n\n02:18.266 --> 02:19.209\n這不是迴避的問題這就是法案的問題這是今天要討論法案的議題\n\n02:28.273 --> 02:33.955\n你之前做了那麼多事我們也都很清楚我沒有問你這個問題我現在先跟你談第一個問題請問一下你們最近北高行109年數字1435號中天電視換照的你們的敗訴理由是什麼\n\n02:52.795 --> 03:00.677\n立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織\n\n03:17.261 --> 03:20.002\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案案案\n\n03:40.566 --> 04:02.335\n我來幫你講他說你應該準用107年2月8號的審查辦法的評分基準但是你們卻用109年的那我覺得這個是不是很離譜那如果照你們這樣講那你在學校當老師那學生評分標準可以到時候改來改去嗎?\n\n04:02.935 --> 04:05.898\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案案案\n\n04:22.876 --> 04:46.315\n今天這個標準不是只有在中天,所謂的包括中天、中澳台甚至其他的新聞台、環州都是同一道標準,沒有這個問題我跟你講喔,NCC現在在很多人的眼中,台灣的媒體在大部分人的眼中我覺得怎麼樣大家心裡都已經有定見了啦那我也尊重你是從學界來的但是呢,我今天看到的北高型的判決,它根本就不是你的說法嘛\n\n04:46.715 --> 04:57.439\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第十條條文修正草案．一）委員洪孟楷等31人擬具:「國家通訊傳播委員會組�\n\n05:16.425 --> 05:39.919\n我剛說的全部是依照北高型的判決來論述你也不用跟我解釋那麼多如果你們有意見你之後你再去上訴之後你們再去提你們的意見那我再請教你下一個問題來那個我們這一次有委員會有調查委員會有去跟你們調閱資料調閱那個進電視的資料為什麼可以不給\n\n05:44.861 --> 05:59.953\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第27條條文修\n\n06:14.825 --> 06:20.949\n立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制、交通委員會及法制\n\n06:34.218 --> 06:48.931\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）委員併案．一）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第13屆第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第14會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第15會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第17會期司法及法制、交通委員\n\n06:58.424 --> 07:06.891\n立法院第14屆第11會期司法及法制、交通委員會組織法第16屆第17屆第18屆第19屆第20屆第21屆第22屆第23屆第24屆第27屆第28屆第28屆第29屆第30屆第40屆第41屆第41屆第41屆第42屆第42屆第42屆第43屆第44屆第45屆第46屆第47屆第47屆第47屆第48屆第48屆第49屆第49屆第50屆第50屆第51屆第51屆第52屆第52屆第52屆第53屆第53屆第53屆第54屆第54屆第54屆第56屆第56屆第57屆第57屆第57\n\n07:25.047 --> 07:52.142\n這個跟培委是不是被告也完全無關我不懂為什麼你們可以覺得這樣我不爽就不給你們我跟你講啦之前慶富案的時候調查人家就沒有那麼多意見啦立法院要跟他調資料他們就該給的就都給為什麼今天到NCC來之後就可以不用給另外你們審照是依據衛星傳播電視法所以你也不要跟我說這跟法律案完全無關\n\n07:53.183 --> 07:59.625\n通訊傳播委員會組織法第四條、第八條及第十條條文修正草案案。」案。此外,民進黨整天就是要言論自由、言論自由。他從來沒有跟你、從來沒有、但他都沒有做到。我最後跟你講一個東西啦。拜託主席最後齁。\n\n08:20.543 --> 08:25.134\n我跟你說我從來不覺得我們台灣是制度發生問題\n\n08:26.738 --> 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