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00:00:55,788\n對應所以我們台灣都要聽大陸的指令因為他釋出善意我們就我們不釋出我們就等就這樣變成我們的老百姓就要等等大陸所以我們要去勾夾大陸不是這樣子吧\n\n4\n00:00:58,130 --> 00:01:12,334\n所以我們現在目前已經宣布說開放海空30個城市直航跟福建到馬祖的觀光路線這樣看起來兩岸的觀光應該是有機會破冰這個時候我國的態度相當重要而交通部跟陸委會一直強調要有3億往來才能開放那麼我們中方已經釋出3億了\n\n5\n00:01:25,738 --> 00:01:48,324\n美國的團客要去大陸是否有機會重新開放先跟委員報告這個可能稍微有一點錯誤因為大陸目前在前幾天宣布的是指開放福建的居民到馬祖不是30個城市直航到第二個\n\n6\n00:01:52,048 --> 00:02:05,020\n基本上我們在去年的時候我們就除了已經15個有定期航班以外我們還有13個可以包機的航點但是到今天為止都沒有人申請\n\n7\n00:02:06,395 --> 00:02:27,061\n是大陸沒有人申請還是我們台灣?我們這邊連台商也沒有人申請因為我們也跟台商講如果以台商這個協會為中心的話所有在大陸的我們的國人呢他們如果想要包機回來那也是一個很好的方法方案嘛對不對但是到現在為止13個行點都沒有人申請包機\n\n8\n00:02:28,356 --> 00:02:57,694\n好,我們是開放什麼時候,到什麼時候,到現在有宣傳嗎?團友更多的知道嗎?去年就宣布了啊好,所以我們是有開放就是我們的團客例如我們在歷次的跟台商,台商會長的這個所謂的餐敘或者是活動裡面我們都一再的告訴他們那我也跟好幾個台商會長講說就以你那邊做聯絡點嘛你譬如說每個每個月的第一個,最後一個禮拜五如果所有在大陸的國人\n\n9\n00:02:58,614 --> 00:03:07,381\n那要回來的話以你這裡為聯絡中心嘛那你如果累積到一定的量你就可以跟航空公司說就是報紙是有這麼說啦所以說我們已經開放馬祖福建雙邊的旅遊但是我們中國人這邊也希望說來台灣觀光嘛所以呢就是很多旅遊業\n\n10\n00:03:19,870 --> 00:03:27,833\n因為現在我們新住民也很多人考導遊導覽的人員所以他們就一直說今天就沒工作了就是要來幫忙所以協助這一塊希望我們解除禁團令讓更多的觀光客過來的話我們才還有工作所以希望說這個部分大家是不是可以開放還有陸客有沒有說\n\n11\n00:03:49,142 --> 00:04:13,992\n就是解除這樣子剛才我們的委員有問嘛我們的這個進團令是不是說我們要開放讓更多的人進來進團令是他們不是我們大陸到現在為止2019年8月1號自由行大陸的人士要到台灣來他那個禁令到現在還在第二個大陸縱使在去年開始開放他們的國人可以到世界各國或地區去旅遊138個沒有台灣\n\n12\n00:04:17,461 --> 00:04:22,768\n所以他們開始禁止他們的人到我們這邊來所以4月28日他們才稍微小額度的說福建的居民可以去馬祖這是他們第一次的開放所以他們第一次開放我們這邊也在開放嘛是不是\n\n13\n00:04:34,863 --> 00:04:42,586\n我想我們都相關單位在做相關的評估跟研議當中我們會有我們自己的做法我們期待還是我們在去年宣布的8月24號宣布雙方對等來開放是最好我們希望的是全面性的對等這才是意義\n\n14\n00:04:58,332 --> 00:04:58,892\n如果從統計數字上來看倒未必\n\n15\n00:05:14,197 --> 00:05:16,479\n其實雙方如果真的是對付開放的話基本上雙方的應該是差不多\n\n16\n00:05:43,957 --> 00:06:00,094\n但是到最後是沒有工作所以這部分我們希望就是說我們的透過就是小三通還有說請主委說我們兩岸直航的開放有沒有說行程、時程\n\n17\n00:06:01,636 --> 00:06:21,394\n我們都一直在檢視我剛剛不是講了相關的單位不管交通部也好經濟部也好他們都會跟兩岸每一個階段的這個整體的變化我們會去做這樣的一個政策上的參考這個請誰來執政都一樣是是是希望就是我們說要開放用兩邊的話就是我們希望我們台灣\n\n18\n00:06:23,456 --> 00:06:25,097\n我們就釋出了啊我們就釋出了啊\n\n19\n00:07:01,149 --> 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