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00:01:12,073\n2011年我們外交部跟駐外館的這個正式人員有這個2387人這其中還不含剛剛部長您所提的這個眷屬那也不含這個約聘人員然後我們這個EAP諮詢使用的這個人數呢2021年74年2022年77人2023年87人如果按照這個人數比例來看的話其實也大約是在3.1%到3.0%\n\n4\n00:01:23,097 --> 00:01:23,117\n臺灣的這個\n\n5\n00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:39,640\n委員會主席\n\n6\n00:01:58,012 --> 00:02:03,856\n大部分有90%以上就是憂鬱症跟焦慮症所以我們在想說外交部這麼高壓的工作環境可是我們EAP的諮詢使用的數據跟衛福部就醫的比例其實是有一些落差的所以我想請教部長到底是什麼樣的一個原因讓我們部裡面的人員好像不太使用這個計畫不太使用這個方案\n\n7\n00:02:26,212 --> 00:02:52,897\n因為我有看到你們的報告裡面說你們也都有宣導啊也有推廣啊可是使用率基本上是不高的為什麼呢?請問部長第一個事情就是其實我們外交部人員從一進步的時候就可以知道說在我們外交部的這個工作是壓力蠻大的那我想也訓練了同仁高強力的這種抗壓性這是一方面那另外一方面就是說這個尋求諮詢服務的這些同仁\n\n8\n00:02:56,118 --> 00:03:22,703\n不是說我們希望能夠介入那我們就可以介入這個涉及到個人的這個隱私那但是我們也透過這種問卷調查的這個方式希望能夠鼓勵同仁也使用這些諮詢的服務那就諮詢服務的這些項目因為這個是涉及個人的隱私所以我沒有相關的這些資料我也不會去要相關的資料但是至於他的內容等等的那我想我請我們的人事處處長來跟委員做簡單的說明\n\n9\n00:03:28,644 --> 00:03:46,128\n跟委員報告,其實我們的EAP的使用的人數其實都一直有在成長當中,那因為基本上員工協助方案,就是誠如剛剛部長說的,因為這牽扯到個人的健康狀況,他有時候可能\n\n10\n00:03:46,788 --> 00:03:46,968\n主席\n\n11\n00:04:15,623 --> 00:04:36,852\n這也就是讓我們更有信心一直要有這樣的一個推動要多多宣導讓我們的同仁來相信我們這樣的一個EAP制度那我們EAP的整個制度來講它是其實它提供了有很多像家庭方面還有法律還有心理還有它個人的人際關係等它的多元的廣域其實是蠻多的以上\n\n12\n00:04:40,274 --> 00:05:00,047\n謝謝處長我想請教一下部長我們這個到這個EAP這裡做一個諮詢的話會不會是說我們的外交部人員會不會想說我不想在這裡留下任何的記錄或是說他會擔心說影響到升遷因為我知道說除了外交部有在使用EAP其他部會其實也都有\n\n13\n00:05:00,547 --> 00:05:14,893\n那我們之前曾經也詢過其他基層的一些其他部的員工他們說其實他們覺得說不是那麼的信任因為怕說未來會影響到一些升遷部長你認為會有這種狀況發生嗎?絕對不會絕對不可能像我們在辦理這種升遷啊或者是輪調的作業過程當中絕對不會去處理到這一方面的這個問題那我在這邊可以做保證\n\n14\n00:05:26,457 --> 00:05:50,364\n所以是請我們部裡的員工就是盡量的就是信任這一套計畫然後相信我們外交部OK好謝謝那我們也希望就是說我們外交部能夠提供員工一個在身心靈方面都能夠非常安心的一個工作環境OK好那接下來我要請教部長的是處長請回我要請教部長我能不能再多做一點點補充跟委員做一下補充\n\n15\n00:05:52,004 --> 00:06:08,418\n我覺得我們的同仁是不是能夠感受到我們外交部是一個友善的職場環境我常常覺得說我應該要以身作則從我自己開始跟我工作過的同仁都知道說彼此相互對待\n\n16\n00:06:09,119 --> 00:06:28,961\n那如果說能夠有這個友善的這個態度的話那這個可以擴及到整個外交部那自從我到外交部之後這種風氣這種文化是逐漸的在擴展當中所以我們外交部很久以前有聽說過長官如何對待部署的這種嚴厲的這個故事現在已經完全都沒有了\n\n17\n00:06:30,644 --> 00:06:57,879\n謝謝部長您的努力我希望這個能夠持續下去接下來我想要請教的就是部長的就是有關於這個台灣關係法那台灣關係法到今年剛好是45週年那在1979年立法的時候說實在那時候的時空背景跟現在是完全是不一樣因為那時候中國剛結束文化大革命剛好滿三年那時候又是美蘇冷戰的處於最高峰的這時候而且中國還沒有崛起\n\n18\n00:06:58,319 --> 00:06:58,579\n蘇聯解體,中國崛起\n\n19\n00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:24,041\n請問部長我們這邊目前有沒有這樣子跟美方有沒有這樣子的一個一個協調或說這樣子的一個溝通\n\n20\n00:07:43,847 --> 00:08:07,510\n非常謝謝委員,委員對於這種國際局勢的這種變化的這種了解讓人感動那至於我們跟美方之間就這個議題的討論我知道是有一些好朋友他們有提出來就是說整個國際局勢變化了就好像委員剛剛所說的也因此需要來修訂那個台灣關係法那可是在於我們跟\n\n21\n00:08:08,331 --> 00:08:08,351\n韓國瑜\n\n22\n00:08:29,939 --> 00:08:43,890\n布林肯國務卿他就對外發言說要協助我們台灣參加這一屆的世界衛生大會所以這個根本不構成對我們台灣的這個限制那另外關於協助我們台灣的這個防衛能力而言台灣關係法裡面\n\n23\n00:08:45,151 --> 00:08:45,871\n有一個條文是特別的重要第4條\n\n24\n00:09:05,402 --> 00:09:28,438\n就是說雖然我們跟美國之間沒有正常的這個外交關係可是這個條文裡面定的非常的清楚就是說有關於任何涉及到政府主權國家等等的通通都可以被適用到那個台灣那所以我想台灣關係法的這個適用的這個程度是非常的廣也因此我個人也覺得說沒有必要再去修訂台灣關係法\n\n25\n00:09:29,699 --> 00:09:30,960\n所以部長您是認為說台灣關係法目前是夠用的,所以沒有要修法的這個考量?\n\n26\n00:09:51,601 --> 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絕對不可能像我們在辦理這種升遷啊或者是輪調的作業過程當中絕對不會去處理到這一方面的這個問題那我在這邊可以做保證\n326457\t350364\t所以是請我們部裡的員工就是盡量的就是信任這一套計畫然後相信我們外交部OK好謝謝那我們也希望就是說我們外交部能夠提供員工一個在身心靈方面都能夠非常安心的一個工作環境OK好那接下來我要請教部長的是處長請回我要請教部長我能不能再多做一點點補充跟委員做一下補充\n352004\t368418\t我覺得我們的同仁是不是能夠感受到我們外交部是一個友善的職場環境我常常覺得說我應該要以身作則從我自己開始跟我工作過的同仁都知道說彼此相互對待\n369119\t388961\t那如果說能夠有這個友善的這個態度的話那這個可以擴及到整個外交部那自從我到外交部之後這種風氣這種文化是逐漸的在擴展當中所以我們外交部很久以前有聽說過長官如何對待部署的這種嚴厲的這個故事現在已經完全都沒有了\n390644\t417879\t謝謝部長您的努力我希望這個能夠持續下去接下來我想要請教的就是部長的就是有關於這個台灣關係法那台灣關係法到今年剛好是45週年那在1979年立法的時候說實在那時候的時空背景跟現在是完全是不一樣因為那時候中國剛結束文化大革命剛好滿三年那時候又是美蘇冷戰的處於最高峰的這時候而且中國還沒有崛起\n418319\t418579\t蘇聯解體,中國崛起\n441759\t444041\t請問部長我們這邊目前有沒有這樣子跟美方有沒有這樣子的一個一個協調或說這樣子的一個溝通\n463847\t487510\t非常謝謝委員,委員對於這種國際局勢的這種變化的這種了解讓人感動那至於我們跟美方之間就這個議題的討論我知道是有一些好朋友他們有提出來就是說整個國際局勢變化了就好像委員剛剛所說的也因此需要來修訂那個台灣關係法那可是在於我們跟\n488331\t488351\t韓國瑜\n509939\t523890\t布林肯國務卿他就對外發言說要協助我們台灣參加這一屆的世界衛生大會所以這個根本不構成對我們台灣的這個限制那另外關於協助我們台灣的這個防衛能力而言台灣關係法裡面\n525151\t525871\t有一個條文是特別的重要第4條\n545402\t568438\t就是說雖然我們跟美國之間沒有正常的這個外交關係可是這個條文裡面定的非常的清楚就是說有關於任何涉及到政府主權國家等等的通通都可以被適用到那個台灣那所以我想台灣關係法的這個適用的這個程度是非常的廣也因此我個人也覺得說沒有必要再去修訂台灣關係法\n569699\t570960\t所以部長您是認為說台灣關係法目前是夠用的,所以沒有要修法的這個考量?\n591601\t610766\t對還是換句話說不想觸動中國敏感的神經病不是這個我想那個臺灣關係法本身如果說委員可以去看一些比較重要的條文的話我想應該會跟我有一個同樣的結論就是說這一部臺灣關係法的確對我們臺灣來講非常的重要裡面的條文已經非常的足夠OK好謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請吳部長請吳部長羅委員早部長早部長剛才您有提到我們外交部每天都面臨這種各種嚴峻的這個挑戰所以每一位同仁確實呢背負了非常大的這個壓力所以為了守護我們同仁的心理健康所以我們外交部在98年\n請了就定有員工協助方案實施計劃就是我們所稱的EAP計劃可是我們從剛剛您的這個報告裡面發現其實以外交部這麼高壓的這個工作環境可是我們發現這個外交部的人員使用EAP的這個諮詢使用的這狀況其實是不高的我們從這個2021年來看我們看看這三年來\n2011年我們外交部跟駐外館的這個正式人員有這個2387人這其中還不含剛剛部長您所提的這個眷屬那也不含這個約聘人員然後我們這個EAP諮詢使用的這個人數呢2021年74年2022年77人2023年87人如果按照這個人數比例來看的話其實也大約是在3.1%到3.0%\n臺灣的這個\n委員會主席\n大部分有90%以上就是憂鬱症跟焦慮症所以我們在想說外交部這麼高壓的工作環境可是我們EAP的諮詢使用的數據跟衛福部就醫的比例其實是有一些落差的所以我想請教部長到底是什麼樣的一個原因讓我們部裡面的人員好像不太使用這個計畫不太使用這個方案\n因為我有看到你們的報告裡面說你們也都有宣導啊也有推廣啊可是使用率基本上是不高的為什麼呢?請問部長第一個事情就是其實我們外交部人員從一進步的時候就可以知道說在我們外交部的這個工作是壓力蠻大的那我想也訓練了同仁高強力的這種抗壓性這是一方面那另外一方面就是說這個尋求諮詢服務的這些同仁\n不是說我們希望能夠介入那我們就可以介入這個涉及到個人的這個隱私那但是我們也透過這種問卷調查的這個方式希望能夠鼓勵同仁也使用這些諮詢的服務那就諮詢服務的這些項目因為這個是涉及個人的隱私所以我沒有相關的這些資料我也不會去要相關的資料但是至於他的內容等等的那我想我請我們的人事處處長來跟委員做簡單的說明\n跟委員報告,其實我們的EAP的使用的人數其實都一直有在成長當中,那因為基本上員工協助方案,就是誠如剛剛部長說的,因為這牽扯到個人的健康狀況,他有時候可能\n主席\n這也就是讓我們更有信心一直要有這樣的一個推動要多多宣導讓我們的同仁來相信我們這樣的一個EAP制度那我們EAP的整個制度來講它是其實它提供了有很多像家庭方面還有法律還有心理還有它個人的人際關係等它的多元的廣域其實是蠻多的以上\n謝謝處長我想請教一下部長我們這個到這個EAP這裡做一個諮詢的話會不會是說我們的外交部人員會不會想說我不想在這裡留下任何的記錄或是說他會擔心說影響到升遷因為我知道說除了外交部有在使用EAP其他部會其實也都有\n那我們之前曾經也詢過其他基層的一些其他部的員工他們說其實他們覺得說不是那麼的信任因為怕說未來會影響到一些升遷部長你認為會有這種狀況發生嗎?絕對不會 絕對不可能像我們在辦理這種升遷啊或者是輪調的作業過程當中絕對不會去處理到這一方面的這個問題那我在這邊可以做保證\n所以是請我們部裡的員工就是盡量的就是信任這一套計畫然後相信我們外交部OK好謝謝那我們也希望就是說我們外交部能夠提供員工一個在身心靈方面都能夠非常安心的一個工作環境OK好那接下來我要請教部長的是處長請回我要請教部長我能不能再多做一點點補充跟委員做一下補充\n我覺得我們的同仁是不是能夠感受到我們外交部是一個友善的職場環境我常常覺得說我應該要以身作則從我自己開始跟我工作過的同仁都知道說彼此相互對待\n那如果說能夠有這個友善的這個態度的話那這個可以擴及到整個外交部那自從我到外交部之後這種風氣這種文化是逐漸的在擴展當中所以我們外交部很久以前有聽說過長官如何對待部署的這種嚴厲的這個故事現在已經完全都沒有了\n謝謝部長您的努力我希望這個能夠持續下去接下來我想要請教的就是部長的就是有關於這個台灣關係法那台灣關係法到今年剛好是45週年那在1979年立法的時候說實在那時候的時空背景跟現在是完全是不一樣因為那時候中國剛結束文化大革命剛好滿三年那時候又是美蘇冷戰的處於最高峰的這時候而且中國還沒有崛起\n蘇聯解體,中國崛起\n請問部長我們這邊目前有沒有這樣子跟美方有沒有這樣子的一個一個協調或說這樣子的一個溝通\n非常謝謝委員,委員對於這種國際局勢的這種變化的這種了解讓人感動那至於我們跟美方之間就這個議題的討論我知道是有一些好朋友他們有提出來就是說整個國際局勢變化了就好像委員剛剛所說的也因此需要來修訂那個台灣關係法那可是在於我們跟\n韓國瑜\n布林肯國務卿他就對外發言說要協助我們台灣參加這一屆的世界衛生大會所以這個根本不構成對我們台灣的這個限制那另外關於協助我們台灣的這個防衛能力而言台灣關係法裡面\n有一個條文是特別的重要第4條\n就是說雖然我們跟美國之間沒有正常的這個外交關係可是這個條文裡面定的非常的清楚就是說有關於任何涉及到政府主權國家等等的通通都可以被適用到那個台灣那所以我想台灣關係法的這個適用的這個程度是非常的廣也因此我個人也覺得說沒有必要再去修訂台灣關係法\n所以部長您是認為說台灣關係法目前是夠用的,所以沒有要修法的這個考量?\n對還是換句話說不想觸動中國敏感的神經病不是這個我想那個臺灣關係法本身如果說委員可以去看一些比較重要的條文的話我想應該會跟我有一個同樣的結論就是說這一部臺灣關係法的確對我們臺灣來講非常的重要裡面的條文已經非常的足夠OK好謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:02.952\n謝謝主席有請吳部長請吳部長羅委員早部長早部長剛才您有提到我們外交部每天都面臨這種各種嚴峻的這個挑戰所以每一位同仁確實呢背負了非常大的這個壓力所以為了守護我們同仁的心理健康所以我們外交部在98年\n\n00:26.251 --> 00:33.455\n請了就定有員工協助方案實施計劃就是我們所稱的EAP計劃可是我們從剛剛您的這個報告裡面發現其實以外交部這麼高壓的這個工作環境可是我們發現這個外交部的人員使用EAP的這個諮詢使用的這狀況其實是不高的我們從這個2021年來看我們看看這三年來\n\n00:55.967 --> 01:12.073\n2011年我們外交部跟駐外館的這個正式人員有這個2387人這其中還不含剛剛部長您所提的這個眷屬那也不含這個約聘人員然後我們這個EAP諮詢使用的這個人數呢2021年74年2022年77人2023年87人如果按照這個人數比例來看的話其實也大約是在3.1%到3.0%\n\n01:23.097 --> 01:23.117\n臺灣的這個\n\n01:39.480 --> 01:39.640\n委員會主席\n\n01:58.012 --> 02:03.856\n大部分有90%以上就是憂鬱症跟焦慮症所以我們在想說外交部這麼高壓的工作環境可是我們EAP的諮詢使用的數據跟衛福部就醫的比例其實是有一些落差的所以我想請教部長到底是什麼樣的一個原因讓我們部裡面的人員好像不太使用這個計畫不太使用這個方案\n\n02:26.212 --> 02:52.897\n因為我有看到你們的報告裡面說你們也都有宣導啊也有推廣啊可是使用率基本上是不高的為什麼呢?請問部長第一個事情就是其實我們外交部人員從一進步的時候就可以知道說在我們外交部的這個工作是壓力蠻大的那我想也訓練了同仁高強力的這種抗壓性這是一方面那另外一方面就是說這個尋求諮詢服務的這些同仁\n\n02:56.118 --> 03:22.703\n不是說我們希望能夠介入那我們就可以介入這個涉及到個人的這個隱私那但是我們也透過這種問卷調查的這個方式希望能夠鼓勵同仁也使用這些諮詢的服務那就諮詢服務的這些項目因為這個是涉及個人的隱私所以我沒有相關的這些資料我也不會去要相關的資料但是至於他的內容等等的那我想我請我們的人事處處長來跟委員做簡單的說明\n\n03:28.644 --> 03:46.128\n跟委員報告,其實我們的EAP的使用的人數其實都一直有在成長當中,那因為基本上員工協助方案,就是誠如剛剛部長說的,因為這牽扯到個人的健康狀況,他有時候可能\n\n03:46.788 --> 03:46.968\n主席\n\n04:15.623 --> 04:36.852\n這也就是讓我們更有信心一直要有這樣的一個推動要多多宣導讓我們的同仁來相信我們這樣的一個EAP制度那我們EAP的整個制度來講它是其實它提供了有很多像家庭方面還有法律還有心理還有它個人的人際關係等它的多元的廣域其實是蠻多的以上\n\n04:40.274 --> 05:00.047\n謝謝處長我想請教一下部長我們這個到這個EAP這裡做一個諮詢的話會不會是說我們的外交部人員會不會想說我不想在這裡留下任何的記錄或是說他會擔心說影響到升遷因為我知道說除了外交部有在使用EAP其他部會其實也都有\n\n05:00.547 --> 05:14.893\n那我們之前曾經也詢過其他基層的一些其他部的員工他們說其實他們覺得說不是那麼的信任因為怕說未來會影響到一些升遷部長你認為會有這種狀況發生嗎?絕對不會絕對不可能像我們在辦理這種升遷啊或者是輪調的作業過程當中絕對不會去處理到這一方面的這個問題那我在這邊可以做保證\n\n05:26.457 --> 05:50.364\n所以是請我們部裡的員工就是盡量的就是信任這一套計畫然後相信我們外交部OK好謝謝那我們也希望就是說我們外交部能夠提供員工一個在身心靈方面都能夠非常安心的一個工作環境OK好那接下來我要請教部長的是處長請回我要請教部長我能不能再多做一點點補充跟委員做一下補充\n\n05:52.004 --> 06:08.418\n我覺得我們的同仁是不是能夠感受到我們外交部是一個友善的職場環境我常常覺得說我應該要以身作則從我自己開始跟我工作過的同仁都知道說彼此相互對待\n\n06:09.119 --> 06:28.961\n那如果說能夠有這個友善的這個態度的話那這個可以擴及到整個外交部那自從我到外交部之後這種風氣這種文化是逐漸的在擴展當中所以我們外交部很久以前有聽說過長官如何對待部署的這種嚴厲的這個故事現在已經完全都沒有了\n\n06:30.644 --> 06:57.879\n謝謝部長您的努力我希望這個能夠持續下去接下來我想要請教的就是部長的就是有關於這個台灣關係法那台灣關係法到今年剛好是45週年那在1979年立法的時候說實在那時候的時空背景跟現在是完全是不一樣因為那時候中國剛結束文化大革命剛好滿三年那時候又是美蘇冷戰的處於最高峰的這時候而且中國還沒有崛起\n\n06:58.319 --> 06:58.579\n蘇聯解體,中國崛起\n\n07:21.759 --> 07:24.041\n請問部長我們這邊目前有沒有這樣子跟美方有沒有這樣子的一個一個協調或說這樣子的一個溝通\n\n07:43.847 --> 08:07.510\n非常謝謝委員,委員對於這種國際局勢的這種變化的這種了解讓人感動那至於我們跟美方之間就這個議題的討論我知道是有一些好朋友他們有提出來就是說整個國際局勢變化了就好像委員剛剛所說的也因此需要來修訂那個台灣關係法那可是在於我們跟\n\n08:08.331 --> 08:08.351\n韓國瑜\n\n08:29.939 --> 08:43.890\n布林肯國務卿他就對外發言說要協助我們台灣參加這一屆的世界衛生大會所以這個根本不構成對我們台灣的這個限制那另外關於協助我們台灣的這個防衛能力而言台灣關係法裡面\n\n08:45.151 --> 08:45.871\n有一個條文是特別的重要第4條\n\n09:05.402 --> 09:28.438\n就是說雖然我們跟美國之間沒有正常的這個外交關係可是這個條文裡面定的非常的清楚就是說有關於任何涉及到政府主權國家等等的通通都可以被適用到那個台灣那所以我想台灣關係法的這個適用的這個程度是非常的廣也因此我個人也覺得說沒有必要再去修訂台灣關係法\n\n09:29.699 --> 09:30.960\n所以部長您是認為說台灣關係法目前是夠用的,所以沒有要修法的這個考量?\n\n09:51.601 --> 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