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Surgery，因為我們上面沒有病床，我已經一大堆朋友，他今天被迫開……"],["薛部長瑞元：委員應該知道Day Surgery有它的條件，不是每一個病都可以Day Surgery啊。"],["陳委員菁徽：以前不用的，現在儘量可以Day 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00:04:39,646\n我的任期只有到5月19。所以到現在為止我能夠掌握的資源沒有辦法讓我去做到這樣子。我必須要改。那個我知道。但是...但是我有...\n\n10\n00:04:52,096 --> 00:04:53,037\n我跟委,我跟委報告\n\n11\n00:05:10,350 --> 00:05:11,870\n我沒有批評,我是說我做不到。\n\n12\n00:06:53,891 --> 00:06:58,416\n我跟委員報告,如果我考慮到薪資的部分的話,我根本不會來這裡。\n\n13\n00:07:00,662 --> 00:07:24,867\n謝謝你其實我目前呢看到基層很多人都很有愛心你願意做護理的人真的很有愛心但是你的愛心沒有辦法撐一輩子這個世界上有什麼工作對所以制度上必須要去做調整沒有錯這個是的確要去做改革但是是否就是這樣一點一元下去的話那個連改革的空間都沒有那你覺得你可以做到一點幾元嗎\n\n14\n00:07:26,487 --> 00:07:49,446\n議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案案。」案。議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文�\n\n15\n00:08:47,199 --> 00:09:14,573\nbicyn其實只要你願意做從各方面都可以改革你應該要具體的寫到你的書面報告裡面啊從八年前的健康政策委員並沒有今天我們沒有請主席總書上來做一個口頭報告主席總書他有他的意見主席總書如果錢沒有下來的話或者沒有這個財源的話對不起\n\n16\n00:09:41,388 --> 00:09:56,775\nadequ大前提是不可能的因為新藥新的技術新的醫療技術就是不斷的在進步而這些人當然會越活越長慢性病也會越來越多所以你的總和的成長率根本不足以應付你這個預設的\n\n17\n00:09:57,895 --> 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surgery啊\n115299\t137227\t​​​​​​​​​​​​\n137667\t159650\t這個是蔡英文總統八年前醫療服務講的喔他說健保給各位點值一直在打折我們很感謝醫師為守護國人健康所付出的犧牲未來我們也願意來檢討健保支付標準表你剛有講我們一直在改好這八年點值從\n160931\t174100\t二、委員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15會期社會\n186988\t209377\t\n210098\t224814\tполне度。滿意度。你看得出醫療品質嗎?我們過去每年在爭取參加WHA今年也要去。WHA的精神是什麼?是促進健康。結果我們每一年齁,這個所有的指標結結敗退。\n227056\t252056\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n252728\t253889\t我可以不可以就這個問題回答。好。\n270919\t279646\t我的任期只有到5月19。所以到現在為止我能夠掌握的資源沒有辦法讓我去做到這樣子。我必須要改。那個我知道。但是...但是我有...\n292096\t293037\t我跟委,我跟委報告\n310350\t311870\t我沒有批評,我是說我做不到。\n339735\t352961\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n353387\t372756\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n373763\t387056\t​​​​​​\n387568\t412790\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n413891\t418416\t我跟委員報告,如果我考慮到薪資的部分的話,我根本不會來這裡。\n420662\t444867\t謝謝你其實我目前呢看到基層很多人都很有愛心你願意做護理的人真的很有愛心但是你的愛心沒有辦法撐一輩子這個世界上有什麼工作對所以制度上必須要去做調整沒有錯這個是的確要去做改革但是是否就是這樣一點一元下去的話那個連改革的空間都沒有那你覺得你可以做到一點幾元嗎\n446487\t469446\t議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案案。」案。議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文�\n471101\t492483\t​​​​​​\n492483\t508558\t​​​​​​​​​​\n508558\t526049\t​​​​​​​​\n527199\t554573\tbicyn 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國的醫療資源支出是不會有任何改變你這個大觀念就是錯的好你現在說如果支付我們1.1元我們還會排擠到國防排擠到交通排擠到教育排擠到文化說實在的那你沒有把我們的醫療品質放在最前面嗎你剛講的所有評比都叫做醫療服務的滿意度陳昭之委員講的很好啊現在大家是覺得看病很方便可是你看的好嗎\n626305\t649172\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n649172\t665520\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n666707\t682057\t厲卿德總統啦所以你們還是要想個辦法定期一定要把點值達到一點議員這是他提出來的目標你問一下盧縣議委員他過去在基層的時候他的收入怎麼樣私底下問問看謝謝你關心盧縣議委員謝謝部長謝謝\n","txt":"主席、各位委員、各位官員,大家早安。我也想請薛部長。好,請薛部長。委員好。\n議長早今天其實是部長您即將離開這個衛福部之後呢我們也要回歸醫療也要回歸基層的醫療所以您今天的態度非常的重要許許多多您未來的下屬都在看因為他們現在是一個生死存亡的保衛戰為什麼今天醫界\n\n你希望嗎?現在我們要說哪一家的薪水是少一點議員啊。\nnetesa 每一家都是1.1元不是嗎?這過去8年齁醫護人員真的很久沒有走上街頭了他們為什麼走上街頭好現在所有的急診喔大家躺在那邊他會告訴你說你今天就開day surgery因為我們上面沒有病床我已經一大堆朋友他今天被開...委員應該知道day surgery的話有他的條件不是每一個病都可以day surgery啊\n​​​​​​​​​​​​\n這個是蔡英文總統八年前醫療服務講的喔他說健保給各位點值一直在打折我們很感謝醫師為守護國人健康所付出的犧牲未來我們也願意來檢討健保支付標準表你剛有講我們一直在改好這八年點值從\n二、委員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第15會期社會\n\nполне度。滿意度。你看得出醫療品質嗎?我們過去每年在爭取參加WHA今年也要去。WHA的精神是什麼?是促進健康。結果我們每一年齁,這個所有的指標結結敗退。\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n我可以不可以就這個問題回答。好。\n我的任期只有到5月19。所以到現在為止我能夠掌握的資源沒有辦法讓我去做到這樣子。我必須要改。那個我知道。但是...但是我有...\n我跟委,我跟委報告\n我沒有批評,我是說我做不到。\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n我跟委員報告,如果我考慮到薪資的部分的話,我根本不會來這裡。\n謝謝你其實我目前呢看到基層很多人都很有愛心你願意做護理的人真的很有愛心但是你的愛心沒有辦法撐一輩子這個世界上有什麼工作對所以制度上必須要去做調整沒有錯這個是的確要去做改革但是是否就是這樣一點一元下去的話那個連改革的空間都沒有那你覺得你可以做到一點幾元嗎\n議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案案。」案。議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文修正草案。案。」議員王育敏等19人擬具:「全民健康保險法第六十二條條條文�\n​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​​​\n​​​​​​​​\nbicyn 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