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of Double Taxation），現在已經進入到緊鑼密鼓的階段，這些都能夠讓我們臺灣跟美國之間的經貿關係非常加強。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以我們可以說，簽了萊豬協議之後有這樣子一方面的經貿進展，但是對於包含雙邊的BTA、IPEF……"],["吳部長釗燮：我想委員剛剛所說簽的萊豬協議，這個好像跟事實是有一些不同的地方。我們如果說要遵循國際的貿易法規的話，我們就不能夠針對其他國家的這些產品有歧視性的作為。"],["徐委員巧芯：瞭解，但是因為人民的期待，我們看一般人民的期待，您可以解釋，但一般人民的期待，他們會認為是不是簽了萊豬協議之後……"],["吳部長釗燮：沒有簽萊豬協議，委員剛剛所說……我剛剛有說，我剛剛所說的就是21世紀貿易倡議，Avoidance of Double Taxation……"],["徐委員巧芯：OK，我瞭解您的說法了，就是簽訂萊豬跟這些IPEF以及BTA……"],["吳部長釗燮：我想委員所說的簽訂萊豬這個說法應該要做改變，拜託委員稍微做一個改變。"],["徐委員巧芯：OK，好，沒問題。"],["吳部長釗燮：比如說，你有去美國，我有去美國，我們很多人都去美國，我們去美國所享用的這些豬肉都沒有問題……"],["徐委員巧芯：我說的是民眾一般來講的……"],["吳部長釗燮：如果說我們去美國所享用的這些產品都沒有問題，為什麼我們回到臺灣就會有問題？"],["徐委員巧芯：部長，可以，我理解您的說法，但我只是從民眾的角度來說，許多民眾會誤以為好不好？我用誤以為簽訂萊豬之後可能有BTA、可能有IPEF……"],["吳部長釗燮：我才說沒有簽訂萊豬協議，這個說法要改變。"],["徐委員巧芯：您認為沒有，就是這麼簡單。"],["吳部長釗燮：就是我們有21世紀貿易倡議，已經簽了一部分了，現在正在討論Avoidance of Double 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00:06:05,248\n我希望您今天的說法能夠記得因為之後或許會有更多的記錄揭露出來那如果說要用網路上面的假消息這個就不好\n\n21\n00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:24,183\n那部長怎麼看待?\n\n22\n00:06:54,064 --> 00:06:55,666\n民眾希望想要越快換掉越好的部長\n\n23\n00:07:12,904 --> 00:07:29,195\n這個只是其中的一個民意調查而已我也看過其他的民意調查我是在內閣之中被認為表現最好的不滿意度最低的我也想冒昧請教一下是哪一個民調我想委員會使用網路去網路上找一下\n\n24\n00:07:29,415 --> 00:07:33,036\n再來我們再看下一個是根據台灣議題研究中心網路調查您也是國安國防團隊裡面負面聲量最高的\n\n25\n00:07:55,683 --> 00:08:23,334\n可能的原因包含是您先前8年來斷交10個國章斷交部長的這個說法還有在立院質詢的時候拍桌這些都不是我講的是新聞上面所說的那繼續擔任國防要職呢民眾國人是不買單的上面有三位嘛有吳釗燮部長顧立雄未來的部長跟蔡明彥局長這三個人裡面的負面聲量比較這是另外一個叫做TPOC的網路討論\n\n26\n00:08:25,815 --> 00:08:34,826\n國安國防的人選您的負面聲量高達28489跟其他兩位比起來高出非常的多您覺得是什麼原因呢?\n\n27\n00:08:36,172 --> 00:09:04,665\n我不確定是什麼原因但是這個網路上面的這些調查的確是有很多包括對政府的官員對立法委員也有那至於我在立法院裡面接受委員質詢的時候我都希望能夠照此來說但是我最擔心的一件事情就是說當中國在欺負我們的時候我們的立法委員是補進來踢一腳那誰是補進來踢一腳的立法委員呢這個部分就由委員自己去想\n\n28\n00:09:05,393 --> 00:09:07,476\n主席不好意思因為因為今天我們的外交部長在我們的國會殿堂上面說了有\n\n29\n00:09:26,144 --> 00:09:26,604\n你可以告我藐視國會\n\n30\n00:09:50,661 --> 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我們有請吳部長有請吳部長徐委員長\n11824\t31439\t部長很遺憾沒有辦法在這裡再跟你做更多太多的質詢但是我想問你從2018年開始到現在您自認為在部長這個職位上面您做得好或是不好做得好的話哪裡做得好做得不好的話自認為哪裡還有可以檢討的地方\n32590\t47942\t非常謝謝委員的這個垂詢到現在為止我已經到外交部已經6年出頭了那從進外交部到現在每一件事情我都非常的認真在處理那至於好或者是不好那我想就留給國人來做這個評論\n51365\t69710\t好的那國人打分數的部分呢無外乎是希望從外交上面能夠換到很多的經濟成果比方說呢先前我們在簽訂萊豬的時候很多人都很期待可能會有BTA的簽署可能會能夠加入IPEF\n70470\t80956\t那請問,部長您已經即將要卸任了,在這兩個主要的經濟體的這個加入項目上面,我們何時會有進度呢?\n82502\t104272\t跟委員報告一下就是說我們台灣如果說要跟其他的國家有更多的這些貿易往來或者是說在政治上有更好的這個氣氛遵循國際的法規這個是一個必要的做法那也因此我們在進口或者是出口這些相關的產品的時候就是必須要遵守相關的法規依照科學的證據來處理相關的這個進出口的\n108074\t122185\t有關於我們台灣跟美國之間的這種經貿的往來我們的那個21世紀貿易倡議第一階段已經簽了那現在正在討論第二階段第二個是就是避免雙重課稅那現在已經進入到緊鑼密鼓的階段這些都能夠讓我們台灣跟美國之間的這個經貿關係能夠非常加強\n131952\t148877\t所以我們可以說簽了萊豬協議之後有這樣子一方面的經貿的進展但是對於包含是雙邊的BTA跟IDF我想委員剛剛所說的簽了萊豬協議這個好像是跟事實是有一些不同的地方\n149877\t150518\t我瞭解您的說法了就是\n179301\t180202\t簽訂萊豬跟這些國會IATF以及BTA\n194498\t198119\t我理解您的說法,但我只是從民眾的角度來說,許多的民眾會誤以為簽訂的萊豬之後可能有BPGA,可能有IPF\n216325\t221086\t美方對於台灣使用能源,多次在美國商會提到了有關台灣電力的問題,能源轉型的落後,在外交部上面是怎麼跟美方來溝通這件事情的呢?\n238510\t262720\t這個部分主責的單位是我們的經濟部那至於能源是否足夠如果說看看現在的那個儲備率的話我相信委員也應該會感受到我們的電力是相當充足的我是沒有感受到相當充足因為4月15號北北七差點要大停電大限電4月15號差點大限電的事情是擺在所有人的眼前\n263320\t263802\t再來,烏克蘭戰爭至今,請問我們提供了多少的晶圓?\n269083\t294999\t如果要把所有的這些物資一般民眾的捐獻以及政府這邊的支出加起來大概有1億出頭美元1億出頭的美元那有一些的金援啊就我知道也不是從烏克蘭來協助可能是透過其他的國家協助那再轉進烏克蘭有包含在這1億美元裡面嗎應該是全部都包括了嘛\n296900\t311645\t那我想請問一下當蕭美琴準副總統出訪捷克的時候我方有沒有就協助烏克蘭的部分承諾未來要提供任何的資源呢這個問題我希望您能夠誠實的回答\n312205\t329739\t很誠實的跟委員回答蕭副總統當選人他去捷克的時候沒有去做任何的承諾那這些都是我們外交部跟這些其他國家在做討論的比如說烏克蘭的政府現在跟我們政府之間是沒有直接的關係\n330600\t331081\t那目前都是這樣子在做\n345675\t354201\t所以他的時間點上面就是說我們在跟捷克討論到的相關時間點上面跟烏克蘭的跟蕭副總統去的時候沒有關係沒有重疊到沒有關係是沒有關係還是時間沒有重疊\n362426\t365248\t我希望您今天的說法能夠記得因為之後或許會有更多的記錄揭露出來那如果說要用網路上面的假消息這個就不好\n383783\t384183\t那部長怎麼看待?\n414064\t415666\t民眾希望想要越快換掉越好的部長\n432904\t449195\t這個只是其中的一個民意調查而已我也看過其他的民意調查我是在內閣之中被認為表現最好的不滿意度最低的我也想冒昧請教一下是哪一個民調我想委員會使用網路去網路上找一下\n449415\t453036\t再來我們再看下一個是根據台灣議題研究中心網路調查您也是國安國防團隊裡面負面聲量最高的\n475683\t503334\t可能的原因包含是您先前8年來斷交10個國章斷交部長的這個說法還有在立院質詢的時候拍桌這些都不是我講的是新聞上面所說的那繼續擔任國防要職呢民眾國人是不買單的上面有三位嘛有吳釗燮部長顧立雄未來的部長跟蔡明彥局長這三個人裡面的負面聲量比較這是另外一個叫做TPOC的網路討論\n505815\t514826\t國安國防的人選您的負面聲量高達28489跟其他兩位比起來高出非常的多您覺得是什麼原因呢?\n516172\t544665\t我不確定是什麼原因但是這個網路上面的這些調查的確是有很多包括對政府的官員對立法委員也有那至於我在立法院裡面接受委員質詢的時候我都希望能夠照此來說但是我最擔心的一件事情就是說當中國在欺負我們的時候我們的立法委員是補進來踢一腳那誰是補進來踢一腳的立法委員呢這個部分就由委員自己去想\n545393\t547476\t主席不好意思因為因為今天我們的外交部長在我們的國會殿堂上面說了有\n566144\t566604\t你可以告我藐視國會\n590661\t602587\t還沒通過如果通過會告但是你應該要讓民眾來以示公平您所說出的這些委員是不是配合中國大陸去踹中華民國一腳還是您\n605448\t629591\t我沒有不負責任每一次在我們遭受到中國最嚴厲的侵害的時候如果說看一看我們國會裡面的這些狀況的話我相信委員會贊成我的說法那到底是誰呢我就很好奇啊你沒有說啊你一直說你說了我沒聽到任何一個名字啊\n630851\t657510\t那我一個一個點名好不好那是我們現場好多喔是洪森漢委員嗎是因為我一個一個點名嗎那是沈柏洋委員嗎我想委員最快的方式就是去告我藐視國會是陳冠廷委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是馬文君委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是徐巧芯委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是陳永康委員嗎\n658251\t658871\t這就是藐視國會所以你可以去告我藐視國會\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請吳部長有請吳部長徐委員長\n部長很遺憾沒有辦法在這裡再跟你做更多太多的質詢但是我想問你從2018年開始到現在您自認為在部長這個職位上面您做得好或是不好做得好的話哪裡做得好做得不好的話自認為哪裡還有可以檢討的地方\n非常謝謝委員的這個垂詢到現在為止我已經到外交部已經6年出頭了那從進外交部到現在每一件事情我都非常的認真在處理那至於好或者是不好那我想就留給國人來做這個評論\n好的那國人打分數的部分呢無外乎是希望從外交上面能夠換到很多的經濟成果比方說呢先前我們在簽訂萊豬的時候很多人都很期待可能會有BTA的簽署可能會能夠加入IPEF\n那請問,部長您已經即將要卸任了,在這兩個主要的經濟體的這個加入項目上面,我們何時會有進度呢?\n跟委員報告一下就是說我們台灣如果說要跟其他的國家有更多的這些貿易往來或者是說在政治上有更好的這個氣氛遵循國際的法規這個是一個必要的做法那也因此我們在進口或者是出口這些相關的產品的時候就是必須要遵守相關的法規依照科學的證據來處理相關的這個進出口的\n有關於我們台灣跟美國之間的這種經貿的往來我們的那個21世紀貿易倡議第一階段已經簽了那現在正在討論第二階段第二個是就是避免雙重課稅那現在已經進入到緊鑼密鼓的階段這些都能夠讓我們台灣跟美國之間的這個經貿關係能夠非常加強\n所以我們可以說簽了萊豬協議之後有這樣子一方面的經貿的進展但是對於包含是雙邊的BTA跟IDF我想委員剛剛所說的簽了萊豬協議這個好像是跟事實是有一些不同的地方\n我瞭解您的說法了就是\n簽訂萊豬跟這些國會IATF以及BTA\n我理解您的說法,但我只是從民眾的角度來說,許多的民眾會誤以為簽訂的萊豬之後可能有BPGA,可能有IPF\n美方對於台灣使用能源,多次在美國商會提到了有關台灣電力的問題,能源轉型的落後,在外交部上面是怎麼跟美方來溝通這件事情的呢?\n這個部分主責的單位是我們的經濟部那至於能源是否足夠如果說看看現在的那個儲備率的話我相信委員也應該會感受到我們的電力是相當充足的我是沒有感受到相當充足因為4月15號北北七差點要大停電大限電4月15號差點大限電的事情是擺在所有人的眼前\n再來,烏克蘭戰爭至今,請問我們提供了多少的晶圓?\n如果要把所有的這些物資一般民眾的捐獻以及政府這邊的支出加起來大概有1億出頭美元1億出頭的美元那有一些的金援啊就我知道也不是從烏克蘭來協助可能是透過其他的國家協助那再轉進烏克蘭有包含在這1億美元裡面嗎應該是全部都包括了嘛\n那我想請問一下當蕭美琴準副總統出訪捷克的時候我方有沒有就協助烏克蘭的部分承諾未來要提供任何的資源呢這個問題我希望您能夠誠實的回答\n很誠實的跟委員回答蕭副總統當選人他去捷克的時候沒有去做任何的承諾那這些都是我們外交部跟這些其他國家在做討論的比如說烏克蘭的政府現在跟我們政府之間是沒有直接的關係\n那目前都是這樣子在做\n所以他的時間點上面就是說我們在跟捷克討論到的相關時間點上面跟烏克蘭的跟蕭副總統去的時候沒有關係沒有重疊到沒有關係是沒有關係還是時間沒有重疊\n我希望您今天的說法能夠記得因為之後或許會有更多的記錄揭露出來那如果說要用網路上面的假消息這個就不好\n那部長怎麼看待?\n民眾希望想要越快換掉越好的部長\n這個只是其中的一個民意調查而已我也看過其他的民意調查我是在內閣之中被認為表現最好的不滿意度最低的我也想冒昧請教一下是哪一個民調我想委員會使用網路去網路上找一下\n再來我們再看下一個是根據台灣議題研究中心網路調查您也是國安國防團隊裡面負面聲量最高的\n可能的原因包含是您先前8年來斷交10個國章斷交部長的這個說法還有在立院質詢的時候拍桌這些都不是我講的是新聞上面所說的那繼續擔任國防要職呢民眾國人是不買單的上面有三位嘛有吳釗燮部長顧立雄未來的部長跟蔡明彥局長這三個人裡面的負面聲量比較這是另外一個叫做TPOC的網路討論\n國安國防的人選您的負面聲量高達28489跟其他兩位比起來高出非常的多您覺得是什麼原因呢?\n我不確定是什麼原因但是這個網路上面的這些調查的確是有很多包括對政府的官員對立法委員也有那至於我在立法院裡面接受委員質詢的時候我都希望能夠照此來說但是我最擔心的一件事情就是說當中國在欺負我們的時候我們的立法委員是補進來踢一腳那誰是補進來踢一腳的立法委員呢這個部分就由委員自己去想\n主席不好意思因為因為今天我們的外交部長在我們的國會殿堂上面說了有\n你可以告我藐視國會\n還沒通過如果通過會告但是你應該要讓民眾來以示公平您所說出的這些委員是不是配合中國大陸去踹中華民國一腳還是您\n我沒有不負責任每一次在我們遭受到中國最嚴厲的侵害的時候如果說看一看我們國會裡面的這些狀況的話我相信委員會贊成我的說法那到底是誰呢我就很好奇啊你沒有說啊你一直說你說了我沒聽到任何一個名字啊\n那我一個一個點名好不好那是我們現場好多喔是洪森漢委員嗎是因為我一個一個點名嗎那是沈柏洋委員嗎我想委員最快的方式就是去告我藐視國會是陳冠廷委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是馬文君委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是徐巧芯委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是陳永康委員嗎\n這就是藐視國會所以你可以去告我藐視國會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.250 --> 00:04.334\n謝謝主席我們有請吳部長有請吳部長徐委員長\n\n00:11.824 --> 00:31.439\n部長很遺憾沒有辦法在這裡再跟你做更多太多的質詢但是我想問你從2018年開始到現在您自認為在部長這個職位上面您做得好或是不好做得好的話哪裡做得好做得不好的話自認為哪裡還有可以檢討的地方\n\n00:32.590 --> 00:47.942\n非常謝謝委員的這個垂詢到現在為止我已經到外交部已經6年出頭了那從進外交部到現在每一件事情我都非常的認真在處理那至於好或者是不好那我想就留給國人來做這個評論\n\n00:51.365 --> 01:09.710\n好的那國人打分數的部分呢無外乎是希望從外交上面能夠換到很多的經濟成果比方說呢先前我們在簽訂萊豬的時候很多人都很期待可能會有BTA的簽署可能會能夠加入IPEF\n\n01:10.470 --> 01:20.956\n那請問,部長您已經即將要卸任了,在這兩個主要的經濟體的這個加入項目上面,我們何時會有進度呢?\n\n01:22.502 --> 01:44.272\n跟委員報告一下就是說我們台灣如果說要跟其他的國家有更多的這些貿易往來或者是說在政治上有更好的這個氣氛遵循國際的法規這個是一個必要的做法那也因此我們在進口或者是出口這些相關的產品的時候就是必須要遵守相關的法規依照科學的證據來處理相關的這個進出口的\n\n01:48.074 --> 02:02.185\n有關於我們台灣跟美國之間的這種經貿的往來我們的那個21世紀貿易倡議第一階段已經簽了那現在正在討論第二階段第二個是就是避免雙重課稅那現在已經進入到緊鑼密鼓的階段這些都能夠讓我們台灣跟美國之間的這個經貿關係能夠非常加強\n\n02:11.952 --> 02:28.877\n所以我們可以說簽了萊豬協議之後有這樣子一方面的經貿的進展但是對於包含是雙邊的BTA跟IDF我想委員剛剛所說的簽了萊豬協議這個好像是跟事實是有一些不同的地方\n\n02:29.877 --> 02:30.518\n我瞭解您的說法了就是\n\n02:59.301 --> 03:00.202\n簽訂萊豬跟這些國會IATF以及BTA\n\n03:14.498 --> 03:18.119\n我理解您的說法,但我只是從民眾的角度來說,許多的民眾會誤以為簽訂的萊豬之後可能有BPGA,可能有IPF\n\n03:36.325 --> 03:41.086\n美方對於台灣使用能源,多次在美國商會提到了有關台灣電力的問題,能源轉型的落後,在外交部上面是怎麼跟美方來溝通這件事情的呢?\n\n03:58.510 --> 04:22.720\n這個部分主責的單位是我們的經濟部那至於能源是否足夠如果說看看現在的那個儲備率的話我相信委員也應該會感受到我們的電力是相當充足的我是沒有感受到相當充足因為4月15號北北七差點要大停電大限電4月15號差點大限電的事情是擺在所有人的眼前\n\n04:23.320 --> 04:23.802\n再來,烏克蘭戰爭至今,請問我們提供了多少的晶圓?\n\n04:29.083 --> 04:54.999\n如果要把所有的這些物資一般民眾的捐獻以及政府這邊的支出加起來大概有1億出頭美元1億出頭的美元那有一些的金援啊就我知道也不是從烏克蘭來協助可能是透過其他的國家協助那再轉進烏克蘭有包含在這1億美元裡面嗎應該是全部都包括了嘛\n\n04:56.900 --> 05:11.645\n那我想請問一下當蕭美琴準副總統出訪捷克的時候我方有沒有就協助烏克蘭的部分承諾未來要提供任何的資源呢這個問題我希望您能夠誠實的回答\n\n05:12.205 --> 05:29.739\n很誠實的跟委員回答蕭副總統當選人他去捷克的時候沒有去做任何的承諾那這些都是我們外交部跟這些其他國家在做討論的比如說烏克蘭的政府現在跟我們政府之間是沒有直接的關係\n\n05:30.600 --> 05:31.081\n那目前都是這樣子在做\n\n05:45.675 --> 05:54.201\n所以他的時間點上面就是說我們在跟捷克討論到的相關時間點上面跟烏克蘭的跟蕭副總統去的時候沒有關係沒有重疊到沒有關係是沒有關係還是時間沒有重疊\n\n06:02.426 --> 06:05.248\n我希望您今天的說法能夠記得因為之後或許會有更多的記錄揭露出來那如果說要用網路上面的假消息這個就不好\n\n06:23.783 --> 06:24.183\n那部長怎麼看待?\n\n06:54.064 --> 06:55.666\n民眾希望想要越快換掉越好的部長\n\n07:12.904 --> 07:29.195\n這個只是其中的一個民意調查而已我也看過其他的民意調查我是在內閣之中被認為表現最好的不滿意度最低的我也想冒昧請教一下是哪一個民調我想委員會使用網路去網路上找一下\n\n07:29.415 --> 07:33.036\n再來我們再看下一個是根據台灣議題研究中心網路調查您也是國安國防團隊裡面負面聲量最高的\n\n07:55.683 --> 08:23.334\n可能的原因包含是您先前8年來斷交10個國章斷交部長的這個說法還有在立院質詢的時候拍桌這些都不是我講的是新聞上面所說的那繼續擔任國防要職呢民眾國人是不買單的上面有三位嘛有吳釗燮部長顧立雄未來的部長跟蔡明彥局長這三個人裡面的負面聲量比較這是另外一個叫做TPOC的網路討論\n\n08:25.815 --> 08:34.826\n國安國防的人選您的負面聲量高達28489跟其他兩位比起來高出非常的多您覺得是什麼原因呢?\n\n08:36.172 --> 09:04.665\n我不確定是什麼原因但是這個網路上面的這些調查的確是有很多包括對政府的官員對立法委員也有那至於我在立法院裡面接受委員質詢的時候我都希望能夠照此來說但是我最擔心的一件事情就是說當中國在欺負我們的時候我們的立法委員是補進來踢一腳那誰是補進來踢一腳的立法委員呢這個部分就由委員自己去想\n\n09:05.393 --> 09:07.476\n主席不好意思因為因為今天我們的外交部長在我們的國會殿堂上面說了有\n\n09:26.144 --> 09:26.604\n你可以告我藐視國會\n\n09:50.661 --> 10:02.587\n還沒通過如果通過會告但是你應該要讓民眾來以示公平您所說出的這些委員是不是配合中國大陸去踹中華民國一腳還是您\n\n10:05.448 --> 10:29.591\n我沒有不負責任每一次在我們遭受到中國最嚴厲的侵害的時候如果說看一看我們國會裡面的這些狀況的話我相信委員會贊成我的說法那到底是誰呢我就很好奇啊你沒有說啊你一直說你說了我沒聽到任何一個名字啊\n\n10:30.851 --> 10:57.510\n那我一個一個點名好不好那是我們現場好多喔是洪森漢委員嗎是因為我一個一個點名嗎那是沈柏洋委員嗎我想委員最快的方式就是去告我藐視國會是陳冠廷委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是馬文君委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是徐巧芯委員嗎趕快去告我藐視國會是陳永康委員嗎\n\n10:58.251 --> 10:58.871\n這就是藐視國會所以你可以去告我藐視國會\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.25,"end":4.334,"text":"謝謝主席 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