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00:02:27,604\n可以積極推動地方教育局明文的來規定讓教師的加班費知己可以有相關的規定。我們這個可能要討論剛才因為說下班後老師的服務型態真的比較不一樣。我想照顧勞工或者照顧工作者尤其是現在的教師其實負擔也都非常的重人數減少了但是負擔變重了因為工作的類型變多元希望教育部可以站在教師的立場積極來推動相關的知己的\n\n7\n00:02:28,344 --> 00:02:47,894\n這部分我們是不是跟縣市做一個討論?當然當然因為現在已經也有幾個模式啦很好感謝部長自己主動討論好那希望討論的結果我們很快可以知道接下來我們來談到今天的主題偏鄉教育106年的這個立法三讀以前偏鄉教育的困境有很多我想請教一下現在6年後了你們覺得有什麼樣的面向還沒有被改善到的嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:53,542 --> 00:03:09,999\n我應該這樣講在學校體系跟學生的照顧這方面偏鄉對所以在這個條例當中很大大家抱怨還比較多的有一些改得不錯了一個是行政的負荷還是重很好沒錯另外一個另外一個很好\n\n9\n00:03:10,539 --> 00:03:37,687\n社區跟家長之間偏鄉學校因為它的特性,隔代教養或單親還是比例高,所以在這方面也會去跟學校的學生支持上,確實是一個…謝謝部長的理解,非常完整。我們來看一下確實行政的負擔非常的重,就是偏鄉教師想離開的最主要的原因。那對於這些困境我們到底該怎麼解決?\n\n10\n00:03:38,387 --> 00:03:40,848\n行政負擔的這方面因為委員是數位資訊專屆這方面我們不斷地在做包含學校行政系統因為這個學校填表單說真話如果不透過這方面真的常常重複啦所以這一個方面是一個做法第二個\n\n11\n00:03:58,575 --> 00:03:59,336\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第18條文修正草案案。\n\n12\n00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:33,724\n冷氣怎麼來幫助它行政減少?區域能力資源中心的意思就是說比如這個工作像剛才採購照說每個學校自行採購一次喔但是如果像我們這幾次的經驗是區域幫忙共同採購學校比如像午餐來講\n\n13\n00:04:34,884 --> 00:04:49,680\n把餐送到這個學校這學校不要設廚房不要廚房阿姨也不用去做類似這樣的方式我想應該好沒關係我們之後來回放一下來看一下到底剛剛講的哪些是跟行政負擔有關但沒有關係我理解您是很有心我們來看接下來\n\n14\n00:04:50,441 --> 00:05:07,956\n其實廢校很可能接下來是廢村因為我們現在人口持續減少我們有13萬的新生兒人數未來有2600個國小以後平均起來只有50出頭低於指標的50人這種所謂的小學校可能會越來越多接下來可能會有這些廢校的議題\n\n15\n00:05:08,777 --> 00:05:31,402\n就您的觀察這些近年來的這些廢校的議題其實會越來越嚴重了那沒有學校怎麼會有教育沒有教育怎麼會有地方那沒有地方怎麼會有地方創生我們一直在看說這些所謂偏鄉教師的行政負擔非常的重一個老師剛進去的時候竟然學生第一個要問他的問題不是老師你要教什麼而是老師你什麼時候要被調走\n\n16\n00:05:32,862 --> 00:05:53,115\n學生問:「老師,你什麼時候會回來?」不應該是我們人偏向教育想要看到的事情。我想要問的是,剛剛我們提到的行政負擔減量的部分,到底執行成效是什麼?您剛回答了很多。中央是否進行考核?考核指標是什麼?到底是誰來考核?誰來輔導?有沒有一些相關的報告?\n\n17\n00:05:55,492 --> 00:06:21,297\n委員所提的是行政減量的執行是嗎?行政負擔減量執行成效到底怎麼樣?跟委員報告這部分我幾次都一直在跟各地方教育局處長做這方面的提醒跟要求口頭提醒有沒有會議記錄有沒有報告有沒有演繹有沒有做法因為委員這個每個縣市這是他們自治事項啦你不能要求我們新北市你所有要跟中央做要求一樣但是我舉一個具體例子\n\n18\n00:06:23,377 --> 00:06:49,938\n向校務評鑑,我們就建議不要這樣普遍地去做。好,那已經很久以前了,我知道。我們建議這樣廢掉了。謝謝。我想接下來還是要持續評估,同時也希望能夠參考用更多新的技術。新北市為例就有新北校園通的APP,而且3月28號提出全國第一本的AI科技教育白皮書,或許可以讓教育部來了解一下,作為其他縣市的借鏡,\n\n19\n00:06:50,658 --> 00:07:16,193\n用科技力來紓解行政的壓力。」另外我也想要來談一下這個更多的數位的方法進來其實我們來看一下這個剛剛這個小小的漏線但沒有關係我們看到111年度的數位協許的預算高達122億前瞻基礎建設的計畫又投入150億接下來行政院又喊出4年200億達成斑斑有網路甚至有平板剛剛都一直提到\n\n20\n00:07:16,773 --> 00:07:39,359\n但是我本席一直關心的重點是這些平板是要拿來運作軟體跟工具的那我們接下來會想要請教你們就是說有這麼多的新的工具一直在產出我們是不是只重硬而不重軟接下來尤其是AI程式相繼推出有很多的這種軟體服務都慢慢地開始變成了付費的\n\n21\n00:07:40,419 --> 00:07:46,602\n接下來我們來看一下一個例子這是免費版的確GPT當你問他母湯是什麼時候他說是什麼是一個媽媽的湯像媽媽做的湯一樣混亂無章但如果你用付費版一個月20塊美金問他答得非常好他還知道我們教育部是推動是要叫無通不能叫母湯講得很好結果我們發現其實OpenAI已經測試過了\n\n22\n00:08:04,989 --> 00:08:28,562\n用免費版跟付費版平均少了30分那到底如果我們不積極地投入這些相關的預算不只是讓它有平板而已它還有軟體這個軟體還可能是要有付費版來支持否則我們可能會有這種城鄉差距城市的孩子用付費版的他做出來的這些學習的履歷、學習的資料申請學校的資料都比這些人更好\n\n23\n00:08:29,082 --> 00:08:56,144\n那這個不是我們要的我想要問的是接下來我們到底有沒有這些AI的軟體的相關的輔助支持也想請教一下部長剛剛我們還提到開機率的問題一個硬體開機是要拿來用的是要軟體跟工具的想請教一下教育部有沒有研究過其他國家在數位教育的預算上軟體硬體的支出佔比到底各自是多少有沒有研究過\n\n24\n00:08:56,804 --> 00:09:05,491\n是,跟委員報告齁,這個生生用品版這200億當中每年啊,我想每年齁,我們投入是9億,就是要再做軟體的19億還是9億?9億。9億。122億比9億齁?不是啦,那我講的是每年啊。每年?如果4年就是40億左右啊。\n\n25\n00:09:12,776 --> 00:09:17,502\n發展條例第八條條文修正草案案件事宜卓的四分之一嘛對不對?那四分之一這樣的比例到底是不是合理啊?\n\n26\n00:09:17,502 --> 00:09:20,566\n會不會就是軟體不夠用啊?沒有真正讓他學習的東西才機率降低嘛?這個詳細的情形齁這個可以給文煥因為這個幫老師要用的教育不只是AI啦老師在教學軟體上他只要提出建議經過整個我們這個組織\n\n27\n00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:45,572\n教育及文化委員會第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地\n\n28\n00:09:57,403 --> 00:10:02,125\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第12屆第13屆第14屆第14屆第15屆第16屆第17屆第18屆第18屆第19屆第19屆第20屆第20屆第21屆第21屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22\n\n29\n00:10:26,098 --> 00:10:53,801\n學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案。更多的這些軟體的預算。最後還是要感謝潘副部長這八年來對教育部業務的付出。相信只要部長在這一天應該有都我們會有共識持續的拉近城鄉差距的這個落差以預防未來的數位落差甚至是智慧落差努力幫我們向行政院徵請支援不管是哪一天好不好期待部長帶來好消息謝謝委員委員剛提到那個有關軟硬體還有國際的我請志柯是這邊整理後再跟委員報告謝謝請委員指導因為你這方面真的很專業好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9976\t34998\t謝謝主席有請教育部潘文忠部長備詢好請拜部長各位好謝謝部長好昨天是五一勞動節全台灣的勞工原則上依法都應該放假一天但是有點遺憾今年因為行政院來不及研議配套的措施我們教師還是沒有辦法在勞動節當天放假那更另一般基層教師困擾的地方其實還有\n35658\t59215\t在這個數位時代由於通訊軟體發達有時候老師下班以後還會收到很多的簡訊不管是家長或是學生經常是需要立刻處理跟回應的所以也有基層教師表示應該要捍衛老師們下班時間的離線權也有教師認為下班時間處理公務是不是往來都有時間記錄能不能申請加班費像先請教一下部長站在教育部的部長站在教育部的立場\n59835\t64464\t是不是支持教師能夠以通訊軟體的截圖或email或者是電子紀錄作為憑據來申請加班費?\n66707\t92130\t是,我跟委員報告,因為確實現在目前老師的工作型態很繁雜,很多元是,那之前應該說有一個制度啦應該說老師如果是利用下班,像這個假日什麼參加的活動其實他有一套加班計算的方式但這個有一個前提啦,因為如果說今天他是自由交談啊,跟誰,這當然不可能\n92410\t103613\t教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第5會期教育部立法院第6會期教育部立法院第7會期教育部立法院第8會期教育部立法院第9會期教育部立法院第10會期教育部立法院第11會期教育部立法院第11會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第13會期教育部立法院第13會期教育部立法院第14會期教育部立法院第14會期\n121738\t147604\t可以積極推動地方教育局明文的來規定讓教師的加班費知己可以有相關的規定。我們這個可能要討論剛才因為說下班後老師的服務型態真的比較不一樣。我想照顧勞工或者照顧工作者尤其是現在的教師其實負擔也都非常的重人數減少了但是負擔變重了因為工作的類型變多元希望教育部可以站在教師的立場積極來推動相關的知己的\n148344\t167894\t這部分我們是不是跟縣市做一個討論?當然當然因為現在已經也有幾個模式啦很好感謝部長自己主動討論好那希望討論的結果我們很快可以知道接下來我們來談到今天的主題偏鄉教育106年的這個立法三讀以前偏鄉教育的困境有很多我想請教一下現在6年後了你們覺得有什麼樣的面向還沒有被改善到的嗎?\n173542\t189999\t我應該這樣講在學校體系跟學生的照顧這方面偏鄉對所以在這個條例當中很大大家抱怨還比較多的有一些改得不錯了一個是行政的負荷還是重很好沒錯另外一個另外一個很好\n190539\t217687\t社區跟家長之間偏鄉學校因為它的特性,隔代教養或單親還是比例高,所以在這方面也會去跟學校的學生支持上,確實是一個…謝謝部長的理解,非常完整。我們來看一下確實行政的負擔非常的重,就是偏鄉教師想離開的最主要的原因。那對於這些困境我們到底該怎麼解決?\n218387\t220848\t行政負擔的這方面因為委員是數位資訊專屆這方面我們不斷地在做包含學校行政系統因為這個學校填表單說真話如果不透過這方面真的常常重複啦所以這一個方面是一個做法第二個\n238575\t239336\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第18條文修正草案案。\n258079\t273724\t冷氣怎麼來幫助它行政減少?區域能力資源中心的意思就是說比如這個工作像剛才採購照說每個學校自行採購一次喔但是如果像我們這幾次的經驗是區域幫忙共同採購學校比如像午餐來講\n274884\t289680\t把餐送到這個學校這學校不要設廚房不要廚房阿姨也不用去做類似這樣的方式我想應該好沒關係我們之後來回放一下來看一下到底剛剛講的哪些是跟行政負擔有關但沒有關係我理解您是很有心我們來看接下來\n290441\t307956\t其實廢校很可能接下來是廢村因為我們現在人口持續減少我們有13萬的新生兒人數未來有2600個國小以後平均起來只有50出頭低於指標的50人這種所謂的小學校可能會越來越多接下來可能會有這些廢校的議題\n308777\t331402\t就您的觀察這些近年來的這些廢校的議題其實會越來越嚴重了那沒有學校怎麼會有教育沒有教育怎麼會有地方那沒有地方怎麼會有地方創生我們一直在看說這些所謂偏鄉教師的行政負擔非常的重一個老師剛進去的時候竟然學生第一個要問他的問題不是老師你要教什麼而是老師你什麼時候要被調走\n332862\t353115\t學生問:「老師,你什麼時候會回來?」不應該是我們人偏向教育想要看到的事情。我想要問的是,剛剛我們提到的行政負擔減量的部分,到底執行成效是什麼?您剛回答了很多。中央是否進行考核?考核指標是什麼?到底是誰來考核?誰來輔導?有沒有一些相關的報告?\n355492\t381297\t委員所提的是行政減量的執行是嗎?行政負擔減量執行成效到底怎麼樣?跟委員報告這部分我幾次都一直在跟各地方教育局處長做這方面的提醒跟要求口頭提醒有沒有會議記錄有沒有報告有沒有演繹有沒有做法因為委員這個每個縣市這是他們自治事項啦你不能要求我們新北市你所有要跟中央做要求一樣但是我舉一個具體例子\n383377\t409938\t向校務評鑑,我們就建議不要這樣普遍地去做。好,那已經很久以前了,我知道。我們建議這樣廢掉了。謝謝。我想接下來還是要持續評估,同時也希望能夠參考用更多新的技術。新北市為例就有新北校園通的APP,而且3月28號提出全國第一本的AI科技教育白皮書,或許可以讓教育部來了解一下,作為其他縣市的借鏡,\n410658\t436193\t用科技力來紓解行政的壓力。」另外我也想要來談一下這個更多的數位的方法進來其實我們來看一下這個剛剛這個小小的漏線但沒有關係我們看到111年度的數位協許的預算高達122億前瞻基礎建設的計畫又投入150億接下來行政院又喊出4年200億達成斑斑有網路甚至有平板剛剛都一直提到\n436773\t459359\t但是我本席一直關心的重點是這些平板是要拿來運作軟體跟工具的那我們接下來會想要請教你們就是說有這麼多的新的工具一直在產出我們是不是只重硬而不重軟接下來尤其是AI程式相繼推出有很多的這種軟體服務都慢慢地開始變成了付費的\n460419\t466602\t接下來我們來看一下一個例子這是免費版的確GPT當你問他母湯是什麼時候他說是什麼是一個媽媽的湯像媽媽做的湯一樣混亂無章但如果你用付費版一個月20塊美金問他答得非常好他還知道我們教育部是推動是要叫無通不能叫母湯講得很好結果我們發現其實OpenAI已經測試過了\n484989\t508562\t用免費版跟付費版平均少了30分那到底如果我們不積極地投入這些相關的預算不只是讓它有平板而已它還有軟體這個軟體還可能是要有付費版來支持否則我們可能會有這種城鄉差距城市的孩子用付費版的他做出來的這些學習的履歷、學習的資料申請學校的資料都比這些人更好\n509082\t536144\t那這個不是我們要的我想要問的是接下來我們到底有沒有這些AI的軟體的相關的輔助支持也想請教一下部長剛剛我們還提到開機率的問題一個硬體開機是要拿來用的是要軟體跟工具的想請教一下教育部有沒有研究過其他國家在數位教育的預算上軟體硬體的支出佔比到底各自是多少有沒有研究過\n536804\t545491\t是,跟委員報告齁,這個生生用品版這200億當中每年啊,我想每年齁,我們投入是9億,就是要再做軟體的19億還是9億?9億。9億。122億比9億齁?不是啦,那我講的是每年啊。每年?如果4年就是40億左右啊。\n552776\t557502\t發展條例第八條條文修正草案案件事宜卓的四分之一嘛 對不對?那四分之一這樣的比例到底是不是合理啊?\n557502\t560566\t會不會就是軟體不夠用啊?沒有真正讓他學習的東西才機率降低嘛?這個詳細的情形齁 這個可以給文煥 因為這個幫老師要用的教育不只是AI啦 老師在教學軟體上他只要提出建議經過整個我們這個組織\n571900\t585572\t教育及文化委員會第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案 條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地\n597403\t602125\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第12屆第13屆第14屆第14屆第15屆第16屆第17屆第18屆第18屆第19屆第19屆第20屆第20屆第21屆第21屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22\n626098\t653801\t學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案。 更多的這些軟體的預算。最後還是要感謝潘副部長這八年來對教育部業務的付出。相信只要部長在這一天應該有都我們會有共識持續的拉近城鄉差距的這個落差以預防未來的數位落差甚至是智慧落差努力幫我們向行政院徵請支援不管是哪一天好不好期待部長帶來好消息謝謝委員委員剛提到那個有關軟硬體還有國際的我請志柯是這邊整理後再跟委員報告謝謝請委員指導因為你這方面真的很專業好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請教育部潘文忠部長備詢好請拜部長各位好謝謝部長好昨天是五一勞動節全台灣的勞工原則上依法都應該放假一天但是有點遺憾今年因為行政院來不及研議配套的措施我們教師還是沒有辦法在勞動節當天放假那更另一般基層教師困擾的地方其實還有\n在這個數位時代由於通訊軟體發達有時候老師下班以後還會收到很多的簡訊不管是家長或是學生經常是需要立刻處理跟回應的所以也有基層教師表示應該要捍衛老師們下班時間的離線權也有教師認為下班時間處理公務是不是往來都有時間記錄能不能申請加班費像先請教一下部長站在教育部的部長站在教育部的立場\n是不是支持教師能夠以通訊軟體的截圖或email或者是電子紀錄作為憑據來申請加班費?\n是,我跟委員報告,因為確實現在目前老師的工作型態很繁雜,很多元是,那之前應該說有一個制度啦應該說老師如果是利用下班,像這個假日什麼參加的活動其實他有一套加班計算的方式但這個有一個前提啦,因為如果說今天他是自由交談啊,跟誰,這當然不可能\n教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第5會期教育部立法院第6會期教育部立法院第7會期教育部立法院第8會期教育部立法院第9會期教育部立法院第10會期教育部立法院第11會期教育部立法院第11會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第13會期教育部立法院第13會期教育部立法院第14會期教育部立法院第14會期\n可以積極推動地方教育局明文的來規定讓教師的加班費知己可以有相關的規定。我們這個可能要討論剛才因為說下班後老師的服務型態真的比較不一樣。我想照顧勞工或者照顧工作者尤其是現在的教師其實負擔也都非常的重人數減少了但是負擔變重了因為工作的類型變多元希望教育部可以站在教師的立場積極來推動相關的知己的\n這部分我們是不是跟縣市做一個討論?當然當然因為現在已經也有幾個模式啦很好感謝部長自己主動討論好那希望討論的結果我們很快可以知道接下來我們來談到今天的主題偏鄉教育106年的這個立法三讀以前偏鄉教育的困境有很多我想請教一下現在6年後了你們覺得有什麼樣的面向還沒有被改善到的嗎?\n我應該這樣講在學校體系跟學生的照顧這方面偏鄉對所以在這個條例當中很大大家抱怨還比較多的有一些改得不錯了一個是行政的負荷還是重很好沒錯另外一個另外一個很好\n社區跟家長之間偏鄉學校因為它的特性,隔代教養或單親還是比例高,所以在這方面也會去跟學校的學生支持上,確實是一個…謝謝部長的理解,非常完整。我們來看一下確實行政的負擔非常的重,就是偏鄉教師想離開的最主要的原因。那對於這些困境我們到底該怎麼解決?\n行政負擔的這方面因為委員是數位資訊專屆這方面我們不斷地在做包含學校行政系統因為這個學校填表單說真話如果不透過這方面真的常常重複啦所以這一個方面是一個做法第二個\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第18條文修正草案案。\n冷氣怎麼來幫助它行政減少?區域能力資源中心的意思就是說比如這個工作像剛才採購照說每個學校自行採購一次喔但是如果像我們這幾次的經驗是區域幫忙共同採購學校比如像午餐來講\n把餐送到這個學校這學校不要設廚房不要廚房阿姨也不用去做類似這樣的方式我想應該好沒關係我們之後來回放一下來看一下到底剛剛講的哪些是跟行政負擔有關但沒有關係我理解您是很有心我們來看接下來\n其實廢校很可能接下來是廢村因為我們現在人口持續減少我們有13萬的新生兒人數未來有2600個國小以後平均起來只有50出頭低於指標的50人這種所謂的小學校可能會越來越多接下來可能會有這些廢校的議題\n就您的觀察這些近年來的這些廢校的議題其實會越來越嚴重了那沒有學校怎麼會有教育沒有教育怎麼會有地方那沒有地方怎麼會有地方創生我們一直在看說這些所謂偏鄉教師的行政負擔非常的重一個老師剛進去的時候竟然學生第一個要問他的問題不是老師你要教什麼而是老師你什麼時候要被調走\n學生問:「老師,你什麼時候會回來?」不應該是我們人偏向教育想要看到的事情。我想要問的是,剛剛我們提到的行政負擔減量的部分,到底執行成效是什麼?您剛回答了很多。中央是否進行考核?考核指標是什麼?到底是誰來考核?誰來輔導?有沒有一些相關的報告?\n委員所提的是行政減量的執行是嗎?行政負擔減量執行成效到底怎麼樣?跟委員報告這部分我幾次都一直在跟各地方教育局處長做這方面的提醒跟要求口頭提醒有沒有會議記錄有沒有報告有沒有演繹有沒有做法因為委員這個每個縣市這是他們自治事項啦你不能要求我們新北市你所有要跟中央做要求一樣但是我舉一個具體例子\n向校務評鑑,我們就建議不要這樣普遍地去做。好,那已經很久以前了,我知道。我們建議這樣廢掉了。謝謝。我想接下來還是要持續評估,同時也希望能夠參考用更多新的技術。新北市為例就有新北校園通的APP,而且3月28號提出全國第一本的AI科技教育白皮書,或許可以讓教育部來了解一下,作為其他縣市的借鏡,\n用科技力來紓解行政的壓力。」另外我也想要來談一下這個更多的數位的方法進來其實我們來看一下這個剛剛這個小小的漏線但沒有關係我們看到111年度的數位協許的預算高達122億前瞻基礎建設的計畫又投入150億接下來行政院又喊出4年200億達成斑斑有網路甚至有平板剛剛都一直提到\n但是我本席一直關心的重點是這些平板是要拿來運作軟體跟工具的那我們接下來會想要請教你們就是說有這麼多的新的工具一直在產出我們是不是只重硬而不重軟接下來尤其是AI程式相繼推出有很多的這種軟體服務都慢慢地開始變成了付費的\n接下來我們來看一下一個例子這是免費版的確GPT當你問他母湯是什麼時候他說是什麼是一個媽媽的湯像媽媽做的湯一樣混亂無章但如果你用付費版一個月20塊美金問他答得非常好他還知道我們教育部是推動是要叫無通不能叫母湯講得很好結果我們發現其實OpenAI已經測試過了\n用免費版跟付費版平均少了30分那到底如果我們不積極地投入這些相關的預算不只是讓它有平板而已它還有軟體這個軟體還可能是要有付費版來支持否則我們可能會有這種城鄉差距城市的孩子用付費版的他做出來的這些學習的履歷、學習的資料申請學校的資料都比這些人更好\n那這個不是我們要的我想要問的是接下來我們到底有沒有這些AI的軟體的相關的輔助支持也想請教一下部長剛剛我們還提到開機率的問題一個硬體開機是要拿來用的是要軟體跟工具的想請教一下教育部有沒有研究過其他國家在數位教育的預算上軟體硬體的支出佔比到底各自是多少有沒有研究過\n是,跟委員報告齁,這個生生用品版這200億當中每年啊,我想每年齁,我們投入是9億,就是要再做軟體的19億還是9億?9億。9億。122億比9億齁?不是啦,那我講的是每年啊。每年?如果4年就是40億左右啊。\n發展條例第八條條文修正草案案件事宜卓的四分之一嘛 對不對?那四分之一這樣的比例到底是不是合理啊?\n會不會就是軟體不夠用啊?沒有真正讓他學習的東西才機率降低嘛?這個詳細的情形齁 這個可以給文煥 因為這個幫老師要用的教育不只是AI啦 老師在教學軟體上他只要提出建議經過整個我們這個組織\n教育及文化委員會第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案 條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第12屆第13屆第14屆第14屆第15屆第16屆第17屆第18屆第18屆第19屆第19屆第20屆第20屆第21屆第21屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22屆第22\n學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案。 更多的這些軟體的預算。最後還是要感謝潘副部長這八年來對教育部業務的付出。相信只要部長在這一天應該有都我們會有共識持續的拉近城鄉差距的這個落差以預防未來的數位落差甚至是智慧落差努力幫我們向行政院徵請支援不管是哪一天好不好期待部長帶來好消息謝謝委員委員剛提到那個有關軟硬體還有國際的我請志柯是這邊整理後再跟委員報告謝謝請委員指導因為你這方面真的很專業好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.976 --> 00:34.998\n謝謝主席有請教育部潘文忠部長備詢好請拜部長各位好謝謝部長好昨天是五一勞動節全台灣的勞工原則上依法都應該放假一天但是有點遺憾今年因為行政院來不及研議配套的措施我們教師還是沒有辦法在勞動節當天放假那更另一般基層教師困擾的地方其實還有\n\n00:35.658 --> 00:59.215\n在這個數位時代由於通訊軟體發達有時候老師下班以後還會收到很多的簡訊不管是家長或是學生經常是需要立刻處理跟回應的所以也有基層教師表示應該要捍衛老師們下班時間的離線權也有教師認為下班時間處理公務是不是往來都有時間記錄能不能申請加班費像先請教一下部長站在教育部的部長站在教育部的立場\n\n00:59.835 --> 01:04.464\n是不是支持教師能夠以通訊軟體的截圖或email或者是電子紀錄作為憑據來申請加班費?\n\n01:06.707 --> 01:32.130\n是,我跟委員報告,因為確實現在目前老師的工作型態很繁雜,很多元是,那之前應該說有一個制度啦應該說老師如果是利用下班,像這個假日什麼參加的活動其實他有一套加班計算的方式但這個有一個前提啦,因為如果說今天他是自由交談啊,跟誰,這當然不可能\n\n01:32.410 --> 01:43.613\n教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第5會期教育部立法院第6會期教育部立法院第7會期教育部立法院第8會期教育部立法院第9會期教育部立法院第10會期教育部立法院第11會期教育部立法院第11會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第12會期教育部立法院第13會期教育部立法院第13會期教育部立法院第14會期教育部立法院第14會期\n\n02:01.738 --> 02:27.604\n可以積極推動地方教育局明文的來規定讓教師的加班費知己可以有相關的規定。我們這個可能要討論剛才因為說下班後老師的服務型態真的比較不一樣。我想照顧勞工或者照顧工作者尤其是現在的教師其實負擔也都非常的重人數減少了但是負擔變重了因為工作的類型變多元希望教育部可以站在教師的立場積極來推動相關的知己的\n\n02:28.344 --> 02:47.894\n這部分我們是不是跟縣市做一個討論?當然當然因為現在已經也有幾個模式啦很好感謝部長自己主動討論好那希望討論的結果我們很快可以知道接下來我們來談到今天的主題偏鄉教育106年的這個立法三讀以前偏鄉教育的困境有很多我想請教一下現在6年後了你們覺得有什麼樣的面向還沒有被改善到的嗎?\n\n02:53.542 --> 03:09.999\n我應該這樣講在學校體系跟學生的照顧這方面偏鄉對所以在這個條例當中很大大家抱怨還比較多的有一些改得不錯了一個是行政的負荷還是重很好沒錯另外一個另外一個很好\n\n03:10.539 --> 03:37.687\n社區跟家長之間偏鄉學校因為它的特性,隔代教養或單親還是比例高,所以在這方面也會去跟學校的學生支持上,確實是一個…謝謝部長的理解,非常完整。我們來看一下確實行政的負擔非常的重,就是偏鄉教師想離開的最主要的原因。那對於這些困境我們到底該怎麼解決?\n\n03:38.387 --> 03:40.848\n行政負擔的這方面因為委員是數位資訊專屆這方面我們不斷地在做包含學校行政系統因為這個學校填表單說真話如果不透過這方面真的常常重複啦所以這一個方面是一個做法第二個\n\n03:58.575 --> 03:59.336\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第18條文修正草案案。\n\n04:18.079 --> 04:33.724\n冷氣怎麼來幫助它行政減少?區域能力資源中心的意思就是說比如這個工作像剛才採購照說每個學校自行採購一次喔但是如果像我們這幾次的經驗是區域幫忙共同採購學校比如像午餐來講\n\n04:34.884 --> 04:49.680\n把餐送到這個學校這學校不要設廚房不要廚房阿姨也不用去做類似這樣的方式我想應該好沒關係我們之後來回放一下來看一下到底剛剛講的哪些是跟行政負擔有關但沒有關係我理解您是很有心我們來看接下來\n\n04:50.441 --> 05:07.956\n其實廢校很可能接下來是廢村因為我們現在人口持續減少我們有13萬的新生兒人數未來有2600個國小以後平均起來只有50出頭低於指標的50人這種所謂的小學校可能會越來越多接下來可能會有這些廢校的議題\n\n05:08.777 --> 05:31.402\n就您的觀察這些近年來的這些廢校的議題其實會越來越嚴重了那沒有學校怎麼會有教育沒有教育怎麼會有地方那沒有地方怎麼會有地方創生我們一直在看說這些所謂偏鄉教師的行政負擔非常的重一個老師剛進去的時候竟然學生第一個要問他的問題不是老師你要教什麼而是老師你什麼時候要被調走\n\n05:32.862 --> 05:53.115\n學生問:「老師,你什麼時候會回來?」不應該是我們人偏向教育想要看到的事情。我想要問的是,剛剛我們提到的行政負擔減量的部分,到底執行成效是什麼?您剛回答了很多。中央是否進行考核?考核指標是什麼?到底是誰來考核?誰來輔導?有沒有一些相關的報告?\n\n05:55.492 --> 06:21.297\n委員所提的是行政減量的執行是嗎?行政負擔減量執行成效到底怎麼樣?跟委員報告這部分我幾次都一直在跟各地方教育局處長做這方面的提醒跟要求口頭提醒有沒有會議記錄有沒有報告有沒有演繹有沒有做法因為委員這個每個縣市這是他們自治事項啦你不能要求我們新北市你所有要跟中央做要求一樣但是我舉一個具體例子\n\n06:23.377 --> 06:49.938\n向校務評鑑,我們就建議不要這樣普遍地去做。好,那已經很久以前了,我知道。我們建議這樣廢掉了。謝謝。我想接下來還是要持續評估,同時也希望能夠參考用更多新的技術。新北市為例就有新北校園通的APP,而且3月28號提出全國第一本的AI科技教育白皮書,或許可以讓教育部來了解一下,作為其他縣市的借鏡,\n\n06:50.658 --> 07:16.193\n用科技力來紓解行政的壓力。」另外我也想要來談一下這個更多的數位的方法進來其實我們來看一下這個剛剛這個小小的漏線但沒有關係我們看到111年度的數位協許的預算高達122億前瞻基礎建設的計畫又投入150億接下來行政院又喊出4年200億達成斑斑有網路甚至有平板剛剛都一直提到\n\n07:16.773 --> 07:39.359\n但是我本席一直關心的重點是這些平板是要拿來運作軟體跟工具的那我們接下來會想要請教你們就是說有這麼多的新的工具一直在產出我們是不是只重硬而不重軟接下來尤其是AI程式相繼推出有很多的這種軟體服務都慢慢地開始變成了付費的\n\n07:40.419 --> 07:46.602\n接下來我們來看一下一個例子這是免費版的確GPT當你問他母湯是什麼時候他說是什麼是一個媽媽的湯像媽媽做的湯一樣混亂無章但如果你用付費版一個月20塊美金問他答得非常好他還知道我們教育部是推動是要叫無通不能叫母湯講得很好結果我們發現其實OpenAI已經測試過了\n\n08:04.989 --> 08:28.562\n用免費版跟付費版平均少了30分那到底如果我們不積極地投入這些相關的預算不只是讓它有平板而已它還有軟體這個軟體還可能是要有付費版來支持否則我們可能會有這種城鄉差距城市的孩子用付費版的他做出來的這些學習的履歷、學習的資料申請學校的資料都比這些人更好\n\n08:29.082 --> 08:56.144\n那這個不是我們要的我想要問的是接下來我們到底有沒有這些AI的軟體的相關的輔助支持也想請教一下部長剛剛我們還提到開機率的問題一個硬體開機是要拿來用的是要軟體跟工具的想請教一下教育部有沒有研究過其他國家在數位教育的預算上軟體硬體的支出佔比到底各自是多少有沒有研究過\n\n08:56.804 --> 09:05.491\n是,跟委員報告齁,這個生生用品版這200億當中每年啊,我想每年齁,我們投入是9億,就是要再做軟體的19億還是9億?9億。9億。122億比9億齁?不是啦,那我講的是每年啊。每年?如果4年就是40億左右啊。\n\n09:12.776 --> 09:17.502\n發展條例第八條條文修正草案案件事宜卓的四分之一嘛對不對?那四分之一這樣的比例到底是不是合理啊?\n\n09:17.502 --> 09:20.566\n會不會就是軟體不夠用啊?沒有真正讓他學習的東西才機率降低嘛?這個詳細的情形齁這個可以給文煥因為這個幫老師要用的教育不只是AI啦老師在教學軟體上他只要提出建議經過整個我們這個組織\n\n09:31.900 --> 09:45.572\n教育及文化委員會第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第八條條文修正草案案條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地區學校教育發展條例第18人擬具:「偏遠地\n\n09:57.403 --> 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