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00:00:35,622\n姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SaidhaiTahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SaidhaiTahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n\n3\n00:00:56,574 --> 00:01:11,105\n所以我想是今天我們在處理這個原住民的傳統姓名我自己真的是深切感受我記得我八年前第一次有機會到立法院擔任國會議員的時候對原民會的質詢就是質詢關於名字的部分為什麼?因為我的先生回復了傳統姓名龍南IsaacFarnas\n\n4\n00:01:17,970 --> 00:01:32,817\n我的女兒兩個從出生就是用傳統姓名命名SauMaSuFangasSaolinSuFangas為什麼?因為我們知道在當年他們出生的時候十幾年前十三、四年前社會對原名認同\n\n5\n00:01:33,797 --> 00:01:46,161\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n6\n00:02:01,727 --> 00:02:05,712\n可是部長今天就是要跟您請教了因為我發現過往我等一下要問的問題問原民會是得不到答案的原來是內政部為什麼我要問的問題其實就是我們命名完成了之後呢其實會遇到很多現實上的困難\n\n7\n00:02:18,989 --> 00:02:40,820\n這個困難就是來自於政府機關或公司部門在填名字的時候那個電腦欄位資源不夠這麼簡單的事情但是就是對我們非常困擾我有多少次我收到衛生局的通知單的時候你知道我是什麼嗎我不是掃帽的媽媽我不是掃令的媽媽我是見記事欄媽媽\n\n8\n00:02:46,412 --> 00:03:12,063\n因為他的名字填不夠啊所以當時他在登記的時候他就寫建記式欄的意思是他的名字很長齁此人用原住民傳統姓名登記名字為什麼什麼什麼這才寫得很長嘛但是他在Excel表格套用的時候即便連政府機關他都沒有辦法去回推因為他就是啪啪啪電腦打出去嘛所以我收到了多少張通知單我叫做建記式欄媽媽\n\n9\n00:03:14,384 --> 00:03:33,149\n姓名條例第三條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第七條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n10\n00:03:43,916 --> 00:04:03,516\n請問,我的問題很單純,內政部護政司有沒有辦法為我們原住民族人朋友解決這個問題?是,我非常贊成委員剛剛所提的這樣子的一個理念。是,當然但是還有實際操作啊。是,委員我跟您報告,其實我個人認為,\n\n11\n00:04:05,137 --> 00:04:27,730\n其實姓名的認同其實非常的重要所以剛剛在提到其實這個代表了社會的一個進步還有一個整個社會文化的一個提升所以我非常非常支持也非常贊成我們族人這個姓名的一個單列其他的這些問題跟困難是行政機關要來解決我已經質詢很多次了行政機關要來解決而且應該要來調整\n\n12\n00:04:31,952 --> 00:04:54,037\n那剛剛提到的資源不夠的一個問題我請那個司長這邊來說明現在基本上護意證系統是沒有問題的護意證系統沒有問題但是要嫁接到其他而且要能夠通令到大家能夠也是如此做啦老實說這8年確實有點進步啦那我們也質詢過很多次包括徐部長我記得我有跟他討論過這樣的問題好那所以因為時間的關係第一個就是要求內政部的態度好部長清楚表態那剩下就是技術問題\n\n13\n00:05:00,498 --> 00:05:14,654\n即便是應該有新增的預算去改變電腦系統我覺得這件事情都應該做尤其是公部門帶頭之後私部門才會跟著做這是第一件事情第二件事情姓名對我們公開來講還有什麼很快會立刻遇到的問題隱私權保障\n\n14\n00:05:16,696 --> 00:05:40,108\n不讓你和我如果被秀上去在不管是看病名單或學校公布欄或任何其他地方要有姓名的隱私保障的時候我們是什麼我說書圈會嘛或者是書橋圈嘛你是林圈倉嘛或者是之類的但我的孩子呢我的孩子就是這樣啊全部的人有誰不知道這個是這個是我的小孩對不對那看醫生看病的時候誰不知道這個是這個\n\n15\n00:05:46,363 --> 00:05:56,225\n審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n\n16\n00:06:15,547 --> 00:06:31,155\n我完全同意,所以剛剛委員提到的這個問題,當然這個涉及各職的部份,不完全是內政部,不過委員提到這個問題,內政部願意來跟找各部門的討論。其實後來我跟學校溝通,學校就會直接把後面直接去掉嘛。\n\n17\n00:06:32,755 --> 00:06:58,127\n對,這差別就很大。我們會找各部會來討論。對啊,我覺得這是一個觀念,那只有公部門率先帶頭實施之後,那社會才會上行下效。所以今天替我特別利用這個時間,藉由部長的回答,在讓各界知道我們有這樣的問題,也知道很感謝政府是肯定的態度。是,全力支持。好,非常謝謝這個阿美族的媳婦喬惠,然後阿美族的媽媽喬惠。\n\n18\n00:07:01,757 --> 00:07:03,321\n審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n169\t22825\t三、審查委員沙力嘎嘎麻布隆等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第二條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條\n28598\t35622\t姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Saidhai Tahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Saidhai Tahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n56574\t71105\t所以我想是今天我們在處理這個原住民的傳統姓名我自己真的是深切感受我記得我八年前第一次有機會到立法院擔任國會議員的時候對原民會的質詢就是質詢關於名字的部分為什麼?因為我的先生回復了傳統姓名龍南Isaac Farnas\n77970\t92817\t我的女兒兩個從出生就是用傳統姓名命名Sau Ma Su Fangas Saolin Su Fangas為什麼?因為我們知道在當年他們出生的時候十幾年前十三、四年前社會對原名認同\n93797\t106161\t二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n121727\t125712\t可是部長今天就是要跟您請教了因為我發現過往我等一下要問的問題問原民會是得不到答案的原來是內政部為什麼我要問的問題其實就是我們命名完成了之後呢其實會遇到很多現實上的困難\n138989\t160820\t這個困難就是來自於政府機關或公司部門在填名字的時候那個電腦欄位資源不夠這麼簡單的事情但是就是對我們非常困擾我有多少次我收到衛生局的通知單的時候你知道我是什麼嗎我不是掃帽的媽媽我不是掃令的媽媽我是見記事欄媽媽\n166412\t192063\t因為他的名字填不夠啊所以當時他在登記的時候他就寫建記式欄的意思是他的名字很長齁此人用原住民傳統姓名登記名字為什麼什麼什麼這才寫得很長嘛但是他在Excel表格套用的時候即便連政府機關他都沒有辦法去回推因為他就是啪啪啪電腦打出去嘛所以我收到了多少張通知單我叫做建記式欄媽媽\n194384\t213149\t姓名條例第三條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第七條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n223916\t243516\t請問,我的問題很單純,內政部護政司有沒有辦法為我們原住民族人朋友解決這個問題?是,我非常贊成委員剛剛所提的這樣子的一個理念。是,當然但是還有實際操作啊。是,委員我跟您報告,其實我個人認為,\n245137\t267730\t其實姓名的認同其實非常的重要所以剛剛在提到其實這個代表了社會的一個進步還有一個整個社會文化的一個提升所以我非常非常支持也非常贊成我們族人這個姓名的一個單列其他的這些問題跟困難是行政機關要來解決我已經質詢很多次了行政機關要來解決而且應該要來調整\n271952\t294037\t那剛剛提到的資源不夠的一個問題我請那個司長這邊來說明現在基本上護意證系統是沒有問題的護意證系統沒有問題但是要嫁接到其他而且要能夠通令到大家能夠也是如此做啦老實說這8年確實有點進步啦那我們也質詢過很多次包括徐部長我記得我有跟他討論過這樣的問題好那所以因為時間的關係第一個就是要求內政部的態度好部長清楚表態那剩下就是技術問題\n300498\t314654\t即便是應該有新增的預算去改變電腦系統我覺得這件事情都應該做尤其是公部門帶頭之後私部門才會跟著做這是第一件事情第二件事情姓名對我們公開來講還有什麼很快會立刻遇到的問題隱私權保障\n316696\t340108\t不讓你和我如果被秀上去在不管是看病名單或學校公布欄或任何其他地方要有姓名的隱私保障的時候我們是什麼我說書圈會嘛或者是書橋圈嘛你是林圈倉嘛或者是之類的但我的孩子呢我的孩子就是這樣啊全部的人有誰不知道這個是這個是我的小孩對不對那看醫生看病的時候誰不知道這個是這個\n346363\t356225\t審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n375547\t391155\t我完全同意,所以剛剛委員提到的這個問題,當然這個涉及各職的部份,不完全是內政部,不過委員提到這個問題,內政部願意來跟找各部門的討論。其實後來我跟學校溝通,學校就會直接把後面直接去掉嘛。\n392755\t418127\t對,這差別就很大。我們會找各部會來討論。對啊,我覺得這是一個觀念,那只有公部門率先帶頭實施之後,那社會才會上行下效。所以今天替我特別利用這個時間,藉由部長的回答,在讓各界知道我們有這樣的問題,也知道很感謝政府是肯定的態度。是,全力支持。好,非常謝謝這個阿美族的媳婦喬惠,然後阿美族的媽媽喬惠。\n421757\t423321\t審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"三、審查委員沙力嘎嘎麻布隆等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第二條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條\n姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Saidhai Tahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Saidhai Tahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n所以我想是今天我們在處理這個原住民的傳統姓名我自己真的是深切感受我記得我八年前第一次有機會到立法院擔任國會議員的時候對原民會的質詢就是質詢關於名字的部分為什麼?因為我的先生回復了傳統姓名龍南Isaac Farnas\n我的女兒兩個從出生就是用傳統姓名命名Sau Ma Su Fangas Saolin Su Fangas為什麼?因為我們知道在當年他們出生的時候十幾年前十三、四年前社會對原名認同\n二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n可是部長今天就是要跟您請教了因為我發現過往我等一下要問的問題問原民會是得不到答案的原來是內政部為什麼我要問的問題其實就是我們命名完成了之後呢其實會遇到很多現實上的困難\n這個困難就是來自於政府機關或公司部門在填名字的時候那個電腦欄位資源不夠這麼簡單的事情但是就是對我們非常困擾我有多少次我收到衛生局的通知單的時候你知道我是什麼嗎我不是掃帽的媽媽我不是掃令的媽媽我是見記事欄媽媽\n因為他的名字填不夠啊所以當時他在登記的時候他就寫建記式欄的意思是他的名字很長齁此人用原住民傳統姓名登記名字為什麼什麼什麼這才寫得很長嘛但是他在Excel表格套用的時候即便連政府機關他都沒有辦法去回推因為他就是啪啪啪電腦打出去嘛所以我收到了多少張通知單我叫做建記式欄媽媽\n姓名條例第三條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第七條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n請問,我的問題很單純,內政部護政司有沒有辦法為我們原住民族人朋友解決這個問題?是,我非常贊成委員剛剛所提的這樣子的一個理念。是,當然但是還有實際操作啊。是,委員我跟您報告,其實我個人認為,\n其實姓名的認同其實非常的重要所以剛剛在提到其實這個代表了社會的一個進步還有一個整個社會文化的一個提升所以我非常非常支持也非常贊成我們族人這個姓名的一個單列其他的這些問題跟困難是行政機關要來解決我已經質詢很多次了行政機關要來解決而且應該要來調整\n那剛剛提到的資源不夠的一個問題我請那個司長這邊來說明現在基本上護意證系統是沒有問題的護意證系統沒有問題但是要嫁接到其他而且要能夠通令到大家能夠也是如此做啦老實說這8年確實有點進步啦那我們也質詢過很多次包括徐部長我記得我有跟他討論過這樣的問題好那所以因為時間的關係第一個就是要求內政部的態度好部長清楚表態那剩下就是技術問題\n即便是應該有新增的預算去改變電腦系統我覺得這件事情都應該做尤其是公部門帶頭之後私部門才會跟著做這是第一件事情第二件事情姓名對我們公開來講還有什麼很快會立刻遇到的問題隱私權保障\n不讓你和我如果被秀上去在不管是看病名單或學校公布欄或任何其他地方要有姓名的隱私保障的時候我們是什麼我說書圈會嘛或者是書橋圈嘛你是林圈倉嘛或者是之類的但我的孩子呢我的孩子就是這樣啊全部的人有誰不知道這個是這個是我的小孩對不對那看醫生看病的時候誰不知道這個是這個\n審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n我完全同意,所以剛剛委員提到的這個問題,當然這個涉及各職的部份,不完全是內政部,不過委員提到這個問題,內政部願意來跟找各部門的討論。其實後來我跟學校溝通,學校就會直接把後面直接去掉嘛。\n對,這差別就很大。我們會找各部會來討論。對啊,我覺得這是一個觀念,那只有公部門率先帶頭實施之後,那社會才會上行下效。所以今天替我特別利用這個時間,藉由部長的回答,在讓各界知道我們有這樣的問題,也知道很感謝政府是肯定的態度。是,全力支持。好,非常謝謝這個阿美族的媳婦喬惠,然後阿美族的媽媽喬惠。\n審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.169 --> 00:22.825\n三、審查委員沙力嘎嘎麻布隆等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第二條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條\n\n00:28.598 --> 00:35.622\n姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SaidhaiTahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SaidhaiTahovecahe等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n\n00:56.574 --> 01:11.105\n所以我想是今天我們在處理這個原住民的傳統姓名我自己真的是深切感受我記得我八年前第一次有機會到立法院擔任國會議員的時候對原民會的質詢就是質詢關於名字的部分為什麼?因為我的先生回復了傳統姓名龍南IsaacFarnas\n\n01:17.970 --> 01:32.817\n我的女兒兩個從出生就是用傳統姓名命名SauMaSuFangasSaolinSuFangas為什麼?因為我們知道在當年他們出生的時候十幾年前十三、四年前社會對原名認同\n\n01:33.797 --> 01:46.161\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n02:01.727 --> 02:05.712\n可是部長今天就是要跟您請教了因為我發現過往我等一下要問的問題問原民會是得不到答案的原來是內政部為什麼我要問的問題其實就是我們命名完成了之後呢其實會遇到很多現實上的困難\n\n02:18.989 --> 02:40.820\n這個困難就是來自於政府機關或公司部門在填名字的時候那個電腦欄位資源不夠這麼簡單的事情但是就是對我們非常困擾我有多少次我收到衛生局的通知單的時候你知道我是什麼嗎我不是掃帽的媽媽我不是掃令的媽媽我是見記事欄媽媽\n\n02:46.412 --> 03:12.063\n因為他的名字填不夠啊所以當時他在登記的時候他就寫建記式欄的意思是他的名字很長齁此人用原住民傳統姓名登記名字為什麼什麼什麼這才寫得很長嘛但是他在Excel表格套用的時候即便連政府機關他都沒有辦法去回推因為他就是啪啪啪電腦打出去嘛所以我收到了多少張通知單我叫做建記式欄媽媽\n\n03:14.384 --> 03:33.149\n姓名條例第三條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第七條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n03:43.916 --> 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