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00:02:46,243\n應該是一樣吧\n\n10\n00:03:18,221 --> 00:03:30,272\n因為現在的學生一般的大學對於在校生提供的心理諮商服務至少每學期都有6次每次50分鐘我們還不如一個大學\n\n11\n00:03:30,832 --> 00:03:38,257\n所以就整個我們的高強度的壓力之下的一個工作環境因為之前也發生過住處的處長自殺的狀況然後現在可能還是有會有衍生很多其他的問題所以我們希望我們任何一個政策然後你既然花了預算你就把它做到位\n\n12\n00:03:51,105 --> 00:04:05,685\n現在我們看到的可能我認為是嚴重的不足啦那你如果是沒有辦法提供很好的服務那還不如不要做因為我們寫的非常好可是沒有做到他的那個標準我們是盡量把它做好如果說委員這邊有什麼樣寶貴的建議我們這邊就要討論\n\n13\n00:04:09,208 --> 00:04:35,021\n諮詢就是你大概4個小時那你一次要講4個小時又太長可是你有問題的時候要去講一個療程4個小時又不夠所以其實光是這樣他就已經沒有人可能會好好的利用這個部分所以這個部分我們現在今天特別提出來就是這個部分怎麼樣把它做到比較到位這個可能在後續再提供給我們相關的一些\n\n14\n00:04:36,522 --> 00:04:39,925\n現在因為在整個國際局勢上面就是我們看到最近的一場選舉可能就是我們過去的邦交國所羅門群島\n\n15\n00:04:51,857 --> 00:04:53,439\n李卓人議員\n\n16\n00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:25,383\n就是軍事基地的部分美國也非常重視那就這個部分因為在他們的國內不管是在野黨或者像他們現在執政黨其實對台灣跟中國是有兩種不同的一個看法對沒有錯那我們應該是說中華民國就這樣的一個部分他們是有沒有可能在選舉之後我們有沒有可能復交這個部分\n\n17\n00:05:41,017 --> 00:06:01,113\n有關於這個部分有關於所羅門群島的這個選舉的確我們都在關注當中那我們所看到的就是說那個原來的總理蘇嘉瓦瑞就是跟我們斷交的這個總理他已經宣布不再參選總理那但是我們看到那個所羅門國內的這個總理的選舉跟我們其他地方的有沒有可能復交\n\n18\n00:06:03,035 --> 00:06:20,089\n有關於這個部分可能還沒有走到那個地步但是我們會持續密切的觀察還沒有走到那個地步啦那我想委員剛所說的不只是美國關注連澳洲等等的其他的這些遊盟國家對於那個索羅門群島的這個政治的發展也都非常的關注\n\n19\n00:06:20,854 --> 00:06:23,516\n因為在野黨是希望跟臺灣復交,那既然他們國內有這樣子的一個想法,那這一次的選舉牽動可能也會有後續的影響,因為我們一直斷交,可能有機會,可能可以再增加。因為選舉的風險跟我們的不一樣,所以我們還要再密切關注。\n\n20\n00:06:43,390 --> 00:06:52,752\n斷交的情況之下我們也可以有復交或者增加邦交國我覺得這個可能也是一個方向外交部盡力試不然我們都會去其他部份另外一行大概就是川普總統前總統他這一次在年底的選舉他也有可能當選那他當選因為他在接受TIME的那個採訪的時候他說如果他贏\n\n21\n00:07:10,134 --> 00:07:10,174\n﹚馬文君﹚\n\n22\n00:07:33,604 --> 00:07:33,644\n﹚馬文君\n\n23\n00:07:56,067 --> 00:07:57,449\n非常謝謝委員那這有兩點的說明\n\n24\n00:08:11,947 --> 00:08:29,683\n第一點就是說我們自我防衛的決心以及我們自我防衛能力的這個加強在這一方面是無庸置疑的尤其是我們在國防方面的這個投資我們訓練的加強以及跟美國等這些好朋友的這個安全關係的加強等等的那這些都應該是可以被看得到\n\n25\n00:08:30,343 --> 00:08:53,300\n第二點就是說美國跟台灣的關係會不會因為換了一個政府換了一個政黨執政而會受到衝擊那如果說看一看美國的國會我們是受到兩黨的歡迎的而且兩黨對我們都是非常的支持那在這個層次來看的話未來不管是誰執政跟台灣的關係我們都很有信心\n\n26\n00:08:54,008 --> 00:09:20,496\n部長因為我們會特別這樣問是我們必須付出多大的代價因為今天我們提增加了多少國防運算或者做什麼樣的訓練等等其實這都是其他的面向可是我們現在說的是美國一個對我們非常重要的國家然後他的領導人其實他的想法會牽動到我們未來付出的代價包括如果台海有衝突的時候我們\n\n27\n00:09:22,637 --> 00:09:22,677\n馬文君議員\n\n28\n00:09:39,708 --> 00:10:05,564\n很簡單的說明我們不是直接跟川普先生打交道我們也不是直接跟拜登先生打交道我們所做的就是說在美國兩黨裡面重要的這些人士我們同時都維持非常好的關係所以接下來如果說有不同的政府我相信在這些基礎之上我們都能夠維持非常好的關係美國協助我們的態度是不會改變的\n\n29\n00:10:05,964 --> 00:10:31,914\n他們協助的當然也是以美國的國家利益為考量因為現在如果在區域的競爭上面其實他們對於中國的崛起其實這才是他們最大的顧忌那現在在世界上已經有俄烏已經有中東甚至伊朗跟以色列其實也都有可能發生衝突在美國本土已經有很多的挺巴的這樣的衝突不斷的\n\n30\n00:10:33,835 --> 00:10:33,875\n﹚馬文君\n\n31\n00:11:01,645 --> 00:11:26,578\n這個是我們要知道的我們講的不是只有他們的國會而已而是我們必須付出的代價這是我們比較關切的那未來您在國安會可能還是會有這樣全班的一個考量那就這個部分是不是在給不管新政府也好不管我們所有的我們整體包括我們的國人都應該要有這樣子的一個應對的一個可能未來性\n\n32\n00:11:27,844 --> 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維持非常好的關係所以接下來如果說有不同的政府我相信在這些基礎之上我們都能夠維持非常好的關係美國協助我們的態度是不會改變的\n他們協助的當然也是以美國的國家利益為考量因為現在如果在區域的競爭上面其實他們對於中國的崛起其實這才是他們最大的顧忌那現在在世界上已經有俄烏已經有中東甚至伊朗跟以色列其實也都有可能發生衝突在美國本土已經有很多的挺巴的這樣的衝突不斷的\n﹚馬文君\n這個是我們要知道的我們講的不是只有他們的國會而已而是我們必須付出的代價這是我們比較關切的那未來您在國安會可能還是會有這樣全班的一個考量那就這個部分是不是在給不管新政府也好不管我們所有的我們整體包括我們的國人都應該要有這樣子的一個應對的一個可能未來性\n對,非常謝謝委員從各個角度來看這個事情那我們會以我們國家利益為主來強化我們的國防謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.120 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