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00:00:12,078\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n2\n00:00:13,147 --> 00:00:37,606\n部長好我想首先先請鄭署長就是說這次全大運有發生選手疑似食物中毒的事件有十位選手身體不舒服甚至有兩位一度留在急診室來觀察那我想食安的問題在這個節骨眼上更是特別的嚴重那我想如果選手因為食物中毒沒有辦法出賽\n\n3\n00:00:38,687 --> 00:01:03,282\n特別是參加這種那麼重要的這個全國性的大型的學生的賽事我想對學生來講影響會很大不管是未來的積分或未來的升學那我們不樂見這種事情我們就要引以為戒所以我想今年在就是在4月3號的時候我質詢的時候也有跟您討論過那您那時候有跟我提到說我們台灣代表隊這次要去參加80年奧運的膳食的問題\n\n4\n00:01:05,683 --> 00:01:08,564\n提供最新鮮的當地食材與真空調理包、膳食工業冷藏設備等,請農業部特別協助相關食安資訊。」菜單中有沒有生菜沙拉?\n\n5\n00:01:34,191 --> 00:01:57,617\n報告委員我們在不管是亞運還是奧運絕對不容許生食但是籌備處那邊的選手村的餐廳是有可能會有當然我會教育選手自己要挑對的食物所以我想說是這樣因為這次全大運疑似中毒的事件就是因為生菜沙拉疑似啦吼\n\n6\n00:01:58,288 --> 00:02:02,613\n報告委員他需要兩週時間把檢體做檢驗但是呢委員報告因為同一個旅館其他的大學的學生其實是有諾羅病毒的案件所以還不是很確定是飯店的問題還是在取餐的時候諾羅病毒的調查感染\n\n7\n00:02:15,066 --> 00:02:31,355\n可是我們看2018的亞運南海的選手就是吃到味道怪怪的沙拉集體吃壞肚子的事件有這種事情發生所以您剛說我們就是避免生死這是好事我就要確認這一點那另外就說選手出國比賽難免會出去走走\n\n8\n00:02:34,517 --> 00:03:01,716\n那去品嘗當地的食物可是比賽期間我想我們一定要避免接觸這種不熟悉的食物特別我覺得法國的飲食文化其實很多的生冷食物法國的生蠔那麼的有名所以我想報告委員那麼在比賽結束前我們通常勸導不要外出啦比賽還沒有通常選手滿自愛的是是是所以就不會有這樣的一個問題他們選手很自律\n\n9\n00:03:03,377 --> 00:03:25,105\n這一點的話如果是有這樣的要求跟選手有自律那我們就不用太擔心不過就是提醒一下謝謝署長那署長請回那部長我來跟你提一下就是說之前有網紅在網路上做直播業配的時候跟孩子一起說出歧視跟善笑資源班的話而且態度非常的輕浮\n\n10\n00:03:27,526 --> 00:03:50,146\n那我想本席跟部長您我跟在座的各位我們看到這樣的事件一定是相當的憤怒跟難過那我們那麼努力在消擬就是歧視那為什麼還有人輕易會在直接在網路上去說出這樣的話那我想這樣的網紅其實他也並不是少數只是他沒有直接說出口而已\n\n11\n00:03:50,706 --> 00:04:15,936\n好那麼我覺得那怎麼樣去建立這種不要歧視的這種心態校園的教育就非常的重要所以我覺得是不是校園要透過宣導讓孩子去認識特殊兒或者說老師、校長、家長本身也要以身作則那引導孩子學習愛跟關懷那減少歧視所以想要請教的是說教育部還能再多做些什麼\n\n12\n00:04:16,816 --> 00:04:36,446\n教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期\n\n13\n00:04:44,830 --> 00:04:59,126\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n14\n00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:31,702\n校園友善週,其實還是要不斷提醒孩子尤其是要小心不要因為一個開玩笑那個遊戲要開過頭了真的就是一種傷害啦像這個我們會持續的來進行是因為真的要不斷的提醒那我想委員也了解近年我們對很多的議題都不斷會做機會教育像以前發生在中部的一所高中甚至我們的有名的大學名大學也都有發生過可能在研遊會啦\n\n15\n00:05:32,762 --> 00:05:35,746\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n\n16\n00:05:47,719 --> 00:05:59,007\n那再來我們再來跟您探討剛剛萬美林委員也有跟您稍微提及的就是說我們去年修正了特殊教育法陸附帶決是要讓分散式的這個資源班跟巡迴的輔導班的師生比在五年內達到這個1比8那我們可是我們看現在這個高等中等高級中等以下學校特殊教育班班級及專責單位設置與人員禁用辦法的修正草案裡面\n\n17\n00:06:16,220 --> 00:06:26,103\n立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化\n\n18\n00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:57,087\n現在的草案是把每位老師需要服務的幼兒人數降到15人,看來當然是往好的方向走,可是也沒有達到當初所說的一比八。\n\n19\n00:06:59,190 --> 00:07:16,080\n本席剛所說除了幼兒園還有國小高中也沒有規劃一比八那本席詢問了這個現場巡撫班的這個特教師他們說就算調到一比十五十五上也很難做到為什麼根本是老師不夠\n\n20\n00:07:17,060 --> 00:07:39,537\n因為現行的培育學前特教教師的師培大學只有六間每間平均發證數大概130張但有拿到特教士的證照的老師也未必會做這個工作以這樣的數量不要說1比8、1比15都有困難所以請教教育部這次的修正草案師生比\n\n21\n00:07:41,238 --> 00:08:02,444\n只有國中有達到一比八。其他階段的師生比調整到底要有什麼樣的困難?還有在師資方面有什麼樣精進跟增加的方案?謝謝委員,我跟委員報告因為當時我們在特教法去年修有一個附帶決議就是希望教育部來做這方面的規劃當然給了一個目標\n\n22\n00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:27,691\n當然這個內容我想委員當時參與都知道其實這個目標我們比較希望讓教育部更深入地去了解委員我以學前為例為什麼不是用國小、國中或是直接國中1比8的概念因為幼兒園孩子是安排在不是把他抽離出來而且他也不是在教他教保大綱裡面的內容\n\n23\n00:08:28,271 --> 00:08:32,154\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期\n\n24\n00:08:46,616 --> 00:08:47,656\n國小、國中課程需求與一般性學檢不一樣。高中特教不是針對教學,而是特別需求。\n\n25\n00:09:04,923 --> 00:09:07,004\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會\n\n26\n00:09:27,790 --> 00:09:31,733\n這個基礎不是一勞到這裡為止因為我跟委員報告我對資源班的過去在形態上各個不同階段真的我是做了一個非常詳細的了解跟評估還是真的比較希望能夠達到這樣的一個實質效能第二部分委員講那個特教的師培這個我同時也請師之一教師要同步跟著走\n\n27\n00:09:49,787 --> 00:09:52,789\n當時為什麼說要用五年其實也一方面把這個資源班不管他哪一種型態真的對接好了以後那師培也要到同時以這樣的方式來所以要擴大這個師培的學校數現在也朝這個方向在走我討論的時候不是只有找國教室我是找私資教室一起要來\n\n28\n00:10:07,978 --> 00:10:13,301\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會\n\n29\n00:10:26,250 --> 00:10:43,382\n通通都1比8,那我要跟委員報告通通都1比8你會發現施肢培育是一件事再來一個就會覺得他明明是進到一個班那為什麼跟我把他抽出來我要教8個1比8的學生這個在不同階段我也認為那更是另外一個我認為不公平的地方\n\n30\n00:10:44,182 --> 00:10:45,224\n草案案件事務委員會主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n43\t12078\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n13147\t37606\t部長好我想首先先請鄭署長就是說這次全大運有發生選手疑似食物中毒的事件有十位選手身體不舒服甚至有兩位一度留在急診室來觀察那我想食安的問題在這個節骨眼上更是特別的嚴重那我想如果選手因為食物中毒沒有辦法出賽\n38687\t63282\t特別是參加這種那麼重要的這個全國性的大型的學生的賽事我想對學生來講影響會很大不管是未來的積分或未來的升學那我們不樂見這種事情我們就要引以為戒所以我想今年在就是在4月3號的時候我質詢的時候也有跟您討論過那您那時候有跟我提到說我們台灣代表隊這次要去參加80年奧運的膳食的問題\n65683\t68564\t提供最新鮮的當地食材與真空調理包、膳食工業冷藏設備等,請農業部特別協助相關食安資訊。」菜單中有沒有生菜沙拉?\n94191\t117617\t報告委員我們在不管是亞運還是奧運絕對不容許生食但是籌備處那邊的選手村的餐廳是有可能會有當然我會教育選手自己要挑對的食物所以我想說是這樣因為這次全大運疑似中毒的事件就是因為生菜沙拉疑似啦吼\n118288\t122613\t報告委員他需要兩週時間把檢體做檢驗但是呢委員報告因為同一個旅館其他的大學的學生其實是有諾羅病毒的案件所以還不是很確定是飯店的問題還是在取餐的時候諾羅病毒的調查感染\n135066\t151355\t可是我們看2018的亞運南海的選手就是吃到味道怪怪的沙拉集體吃壞肚子的事件有這種事情發生所以您剛說我們就是避免生死這是好事我就要確認這一點那另外就說選手出國比賽難免會出去走走\n154517\t181716\t那去品嘗當地的食物可是比賽期間我想我們一定要避免接觸這種不熟悉的食物特別我覺得法國的飲食文化其實很多的生冷食物法國的生蠔那麼的有名所以我想報告委員那麼在比賽結束前我們通常勸導不要外出啦比賽還沒有 通常選手滿自愛的是是是 所以就不會有這樣的一個問題他們選手很自律\n183377\t205105\t這一點的話如果是有這樣的要求跟選手有自律那我們就不用太擔心不過就是提醒一下謝謝署長那署長請回那部長我來跟你提一下就是說之前有網紅在網路上做直播業配的時候跟孩子一起說出歧視跟善笑資源班的話而且態度非常的輕浮\n207526\t230146\t那我想本席跟部長您我跟在座的各位我們看到這樣的事件一定是相當的憤怒跟難過那我們那麼努力在消擬就是歧視那為什麼還有人輕易會在直接在網路上去說出這樣的話那我想這樣的網紅其實他也並不是少數只是他沒有直接說出口而已\n230706\t255936\t好 那麼我覺得那怎麼樣去建立這種不要歧視的這種心態校園的教育就非常的重要所以我覺得是不是校園要透過宣導讓孩子去認識特殊兒或者說老師、校長、家長本身也要以身作則那引導孩子學習愛跟關懷那減少歧視所以想要請教的是說教育部還能再多做些什麼\n256816\t276446\t教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期\n284830\t299126\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n303070\t331702\t校園友善週,其實還是要不斷提醒孩子尤其是要小心不要因為一個開玩笑那個遊戲要開過頭了真的就是一種傷害啦像這個我們會持續的來進行是因為真的要不斷的提醒那我想委員也了解近年我們對很多的議題都不斷會做機會教育像以前發生在中部的一所高中甚至我們的有名的大學名大學也都有發生過可能在研遊會啦\n332762\t335746\t教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n347719\t359007\t那再來我們再來跟您探討剛剛萬美林委員也有跟您稍微提及的就是說我們去年修正了特殊教育法陸附帶決是要讓分散式的這個資源班跟巡迴的輔導班的師生比在五年內達到這個1比8那我們可是我們看現在這個高等中等高級中等以下學校特殊教育班班級及專責單位設置與人員禁用辦法的修正草案裡面\n376220\t386103\t立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化\n403749\t417087\t現在的草案是把每位老師需要服務的幼兒人數降到15人,看來當然是往好的方向走,可是也沒有達到當初所說的一比八。\n419190\t436080\t本席剛所說除了幼兒園還有國小高中也沒有規劃一比八那本席詢問了這個現場巡撫班的這個特教師他們說就算調到一比十五十五上也很難做到為什麼根本是老師不夠\n437060\t459537\t因為現行的培育學前特教教師的師培大學只有六間每間平均發證數大概130張但有拿到特教士的證照的老師也未必會做這個工作以這樣的數量不要說1比8、1比15都有困難所以請教教育部這次的修正草案師生比\n461238\t482444\t只有國中有達到一比八。其他階段的師生比調整到底要有什麼樣的困難?還有在師資方面有什麼樣精進跟增加的方案?謝謝委員,我跟委員報告因為當時我們在特教法去年修有一個附帶決議就是希望教育部來做這方面的規劃當然給了一個目標\n484584\t507691\t當然這個內容我想委員當時參與都知道其實這個目標我們比較希望讓教育部更深入地去了解委員我以學前為例為什麼不是用國小、國中或是直接國中1比8的概念因為幼兒園孩子是安排在不是把他抽離出來而且他也不是在教他教保大綱裡面的內容\n508271\t512154\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期\n526616\t527656\t國小、國中課程需求與一般性學檢不一樣。高中特教不是針對教學,而是特別需求。\n544923\t547004\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會\n567790\t571733\t這個基礎不是一勞到這裡為止因為我跟委員報告我對資源班的過去在形態上各個不同階段真的我是做了一個非常詳細的了解跟評估還是真的比較希望能夠達到這樣的一個實質效能第二部分委員講那個特教的師培這個我同時也請師之一教師要同步跟著走\n589787\t592789\t當時為什麼說要用五年其實也一方面把這個資源班不管他哪一種型態真的對接好了以後那師培也要到同時以這樣的方式來所以要擴大這個師培的學校數現在也朝這個方向在走我討論的時候不是只有找國教室我是找私資教室一起要來\n607978\t613301\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會\n626250\t643382\t通通都1比8,那我要跟委員報告通通都1比8你會發現施肢培育是一件事再來一個就會覺得他明明是進到一個班那為什麼跟我把他抽出來我要教8個1比8的學生這個在不同階段我也認為那更是另外一個我認為不公平的地方\n644182\t645224\t草案案件事務委員會主席\n","txt":"教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n部長好我想首先先請鄭署長就是說這次全大運有發生選手疑似食物中毒的事件有十位選手身體不舒服甚至有兩位一度留在急診室來觀察那我想食安的問題在這個節骨眼上更是特別的嚴重那我想如果選手因為食物中毒沒有辦法出賽\n特別是參加這種那麼重要的這個全國性的大型的學生的賽事我想對學生來講影響會很大不管是未來的積分或未來的升學那我們不樂見這種事情我們就要引以為戒所以我想今年在就是在4月3號的時候我質詢的時候也有跟您討論過那您那時候有跟我提到說我們台灣代表隊這次要去參加80年奧運的膳食的問題\n提供最新鮮的當地食材與真空調理包、膳食工業冷藏設備等,請農業部特別協助相關食安資訊。」菜單中有沒有生菜沙拉?\n報告委員我們在不管是亞運還是奧運絕對不容許生食但是籌備處那邊的選手村的餐廳是有可能會有當然我會教育選手自己要挑對的食物所以我想說是這樣因為這次全大運疑似中毒的事件就是因為生菜沙拉疑似啦吼\n報告委員他需要兩週時間把檢體做檢驗但是呢委員報告因為同一個旅館其他的大學的學生其實是有諾羅病毒的案件所以還不是很確定是飯店的問題還是在取餐的時候諾羅病毒的調查感染\n可是我們看2018的亞運南海的選手就是吃到味道怪怪的沙拉集體吃壞肚子的事件有這種事情發生所以您剛說我們就是避免生死這是好事我就要確認這一點那另外就說選手出國比賽難免會出去走走\n那去品嘗當地的食物可是比賽期間我想我們一定要避免接觸這種不熟悉的食物特別我覺得法國的飲食文化其實很多的生冷食物法國的生蠔那麼的有名所以我想報告委員那麼在比賽結束前我們通常勸導不要外出啦比賽還沒有 通常選手滿自愛的是是是 所以就不會有這樣的一個問題他們選手很自律\n這一點的話如果是有這樣的要求跟選手有自律那我們就不用太擔心不過就是提醒一下謝謝署長那署長請回那部長我來跟你提一下就是說之前有網紅在網路上做直播業配的時候跟孩子一起說出歧視跟善笑資源班的話而且態度非常的輕浮\n那我想本席跟部長您我跟在座的各位我們看到這樣的事件一定是相當的憤怒跟難過那我們那麼努力在消擬就是歧視那為什麼還有人輕易會在直接在網路上去說出這樣的話那我想這樣的網紅其實他也並不是少數只是他沒有直接說出口而已\n好 那麼我覺得那怎麼樣去建立這種不要歧視的這種心態校園的教育就非常的重要所以我覺得是不是校園要透過宣導讓孩子去認識特殊兒或者說老師、校長、家長本身也要以身作則那引導孩子學習愛跟關懷那減少歧視所以想要請教的是說教育部還能再多做些什麼\n教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n校園友善週,其實還是要不斷提醒孩子尤其是要小心不要因為一個開玩笑那個遊戲要開過頭了真的就是一種傷害啦像這個我們會持續的來進行是因為真的要不斷的提醒那我想委員也了解近年我們對很多的議題都不斷會做機會教育像以前發生在中部的一所高中甚至我們的有名的大學名大學也都有發生過可能在研遊會啦\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n那再來我們再來跟您探討剛剛萬美林委員也有跟您稍微提及的就是說我們去年修正了特殊教育法陸附帶決是要讓分散式的這個資源班跟巡迴的輔導班的師生比在五年內達到這個1比8那我們可是我們看現在這個高等中等高級中等以下學校特殊教育班班級及專責單位設置與人員禁用辦法的修正草案裡面\n立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化\n現在的草案是把每位老師需要服務的幼兒人數降到15人,看來當然是往好的方向走,可是也沒有達到當初所說的一比八。\n本席剛所說除了幼兒園還有國小高中也沒有規劃一比八那本席詢問了這個現場巡撫班的這個特教師他們說就算調到一比十五十五上也很難做到為什麼根本是老師不夠\n因為現行的培育學前特教教師的師培大學只有六間每間平均發證數大概130張但有拿到特教士的證照的老師也未必會做這個工作以這樣的數量不要說1比8、1比15都有困難所以請教教育部這次的修正草案師生比\n只有國中有達到一比八。其他階段的師生比調整到底要有什麼樣的困難?還有在師資方面有什麼樣精進跟增加的方案?謝謝委員,我跟委員報告因為當時我們在特教法去年修有一個附帶決議就是希望教育部來做這方面的規劃當然給了一個目標\n當然這個內容我想委員當時參與都知道其實這個目標我們比較希望讓教育部更深入地去了解委員我以學前為例為什麼不是用國小、國中或是直接國中1比8的概念因為幼兒園孩子是安排在不是把他抽離出來而且他也不是在教他教保大綱裡面的內容\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期\n國小、國中課程需求與一般性學檢不一樣。高中特教不是針對教學,而是特別需求。\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會\n這個基礎不是一勞到這裡為止因為我跟委員報告我對資源班的過去在形態上各個不同階段真的我是做了一個非常詳細的了解跟評估還是真的比較希望能夠達到這樣的一個實質效能第二部分委員講那個特教的師培這個我同時也請師之一教師要同步跟著走\n當時為什麼說要用五年其實也一方面把這個資源班不管他哪一種型態真的對接好了以後那師培也要到同時以這樣的方式來所以要擴大這個師培的學校數現在也朝這個方向在走我討論的時候不是只有找國教室我是找私資教室一起要來\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會\n通通都1比8,那我要跟委員報告通通都1比8你會發現施肢培育是一件事再來一個就會覺得他明明是進到一個班那為什麼跟我把他抽出來我要教8個1比8的學生這個在不同階段我也認為那更是另外一個我認為不公平的地方\n草案案件事務委員會主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.043 --> 00:12.078\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n00:13.147 --> 00:37.606\n部長好我想首先先請鄭署長就是說這次全大運有發生選手疑似食物中毒的事件有十位選手身體不舒服甚至有兩位一度留在急診室來觀察那我想食安的問題在這個節骨眼上更是特別的嚴重那我想如果選手因為食物中毒沒有辦法出賽\n\n00:38.687 --> 01:03.282\n特別是參加這種那麼重要的這個全國性的大型的學生的賽事我想對學生來講影響會很大不管是未來的積分或未來的升學那我們不樂見這種事情我們就要引以為戒所以我想今年在就是在4月3號的時候我質詢的時候也有跟您討論過那您那時候有跟我提到說我們台灣代表隊這次要去參加80年奧運的膳食的問題\n\n01:05.683 --> 01:08.564\n提供最新鮮的當地食材與真空調理包、膳食工業冷藏設備等,請農業部特別協助相關食安資訊。」菜單中有沒有生菜沙拉?\n\n01:34.191 --> 01:57.617\n報告委員我們在不管是亞運還是奧運絕對不容許生食但是籌備處那邊的選手村的餐廳是有可能會有當然我會教育選手自己要挑對的食物所以我想說是這樣因為這次全大運疑似中毒的事件就是因為生菜沙拉疑似啦吼\n\n01:58.288 --> 02:02.613\n報告委員他需要兩週時間把檢體做檢驗但是呢委員報告因為同一個旅館其他的大學的學生其實是有諾羅病毒的案件所以還不是很確定是飯店的問題還是在取餐的時候諾羅病毒的調查感染\n\n02:15.066 --> 02:31.355\n可是我們看2018的亞運南海的選手就是吃到味道怪怪的沙拉集體吃壞肚子的事件有這種事情發生所以您剛說我們就是避免生死這是好事我就要確認這一點那另外就說選手出國比賽難免會出去走走\n\n02:34.517 --> 03:01.716\n那去品嘗當地的食物可是比賽期間我想我們一定要避免接觸這種不熟悉的食物特別我覺得法國的飲食文化其實很多的生冷食物法國的生蠔那麼的有名所以我想報告委員那麼在比賽結束前我們通常勸導不要外出啦比賽還沒有通常選手滿自愛的是是是所以就不會有這樣的一個問題他們選手很自律\n\n03:03.377 --> 03:25.105\n這一點的話如果是有這樣的要求跟選手有自律那我們就不用太擔心不過就是提醒一下謝謝署長那署長請回那部長我來跟你提一下就是說之前有網紅在網路上做直播業配的時候跟孩子一起說出歧視跟善笑資源班的話而且態度非常的輕浮\n\n03:27.526 --> 03:50.146\n那我想本席跟部長您我跟在座的各位我們看到這樣的事件一定是相當的憤怒跟難過那我們那麼努力在消擬就是歧視那為什麼還有人輕易會在直接在網路上去說出這樣的話那我想這樣的網紅其實他也並不是少數只是他沒有直接說出口而已\n\n03:50.706 --> 04:15.936\n好那麼我覺得那怎麼樣去建立這種不要歧視的這種心態校園的教育就非常的重要所以我覺得是不是校園要透過宣導讓孩子去認識特殊兒或者說老師、校長、家長本身也要以身作則那引導孩子學習愛跟關懷那減少歧視所以想要請教的是說教育部還能再多做些什麼\n\n04:16.816 --> 04:36.446\n教育部立法院第11屆第1會期教育部立法院第2會期教育部立法院第3會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期教育部立法院第4會期\n\n04:44.830 --> 04:59.126\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n05:03.070 --> 05:31.702\n校園友善週,其實還是要不斷提醒孩子尤其是要小心不要因為一個開玩笑那個遊戲要開過頭了真的就是一種傷害啦像這個我們會持續的來進行是因為真的要不斷的提醒那我想委員也了解近年我們對很多的議題都不斷會做機會教育像以前發生在中部的一所高中甚至我們的有名的大學名大學也都有發生過可能在研遊會啦\n\n05:32.762 --> 05:35.746\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n\n05:47.719 --> 05:59.007\n那再來我們再來跟您探討剛剛萬美林委員也有跟您稍微提及的就是說我們去年修正了特殊教育法陸附帶決是要讓分散式的這個資源班跟巡迴的輔導班的師生比在五年內達到這個1比8那我們可是我們看現在這個高等中等高級中等以下學校特殊教育班班級及專責單位設置與人員禁用辦法的修正草案裡面\n\n06:16.220 --> 06:26.103\n立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第10次全體委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化\n\n06:43.749 --> 06:57.087\n現在的草案是把每位老師需要服務的幼兒人數降到15人,看來當然是往好的方向走,可是也沒有達到當初所說的一比八。\n\n06:59.190 --> 07:16.080\n本席剛所說除了幼兒園還有國小高中也沒有規劃一比八那本席詢問了這個現場巡撫班的這個特教師他們說就算調到一比十五十五上也很難做到為什麼根本是老師不夠\n\n07:17.060 --> 07:39.537\n因為現行的培育學前特教教師的師培大學只有六間每間平均發證數大概130張但有拿到特教士的證照的老師也未必會做這個工作以這樣的數量不要說1比8、1比15都有困難所以請教教育部這次的修正草案師生比\n\n07:41.238 --> 08:02.444\n只有國中有達到一比八。其他階段的師生比調整到底要有什麼樣的困難?還有在師資方面有什麼樣精進跟增加的方案?謝謝委員,我跟委員報告因為當時我們在特教法去年修有一個附帶決議就是希望教育部來做這方面的規劃當然給了一個目標\n\n08:04.584 --> 08:27.691\n當然這個內容我想委員當時參與都知道其實這個目標我們比較希望讓教育部更深入地去了解委員我以學前為例為什麼不是用國小、國中或是直接國中1比8的概念因為幼兒園孩子是安排在不是把他抽離出來而且他也不是在教他教保大綱裡面的內容\n\n08:28.271 --> 08:32.154\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期\n\n08:46.616 --> 08:47.656\n國小、國中課程需求與一般性學檢不一樣。高中特教不是針對教學,而是特別需求。\n\n09:04.923 --> 09:07.004\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會\n\n09:27.790 --> 09:31.733\n這個基礎不是一勞到這裡為止因為我跟委員報告我對資源班的過去在形態上各個不同階段真的我是做了一個非常詳細的了解跟評估還是真的比較希望能夠達到這樣的一個實質效能第二部分委員講那個特教的師培這個我同時也請師之一教師要同步跟著走\n\n09:49.787 --> 09:52.789\n當時為什麼說要用五年其實也一方面把這個資源班不管他哪一種型態真的對接好了以後那師培也要到同時以這樣的方式來所以要擴大這個師培的學校數現在也朝這個方向在走我討論的時候不是只有找國教室我是找私資教室一起要來\n\n10:07.978 --> 10:13.301\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會\n\n10:26.250 --> 10:43.382\n通通都1比8,那我要跟委員報告通通都1比8你會發現施肢培育是一件事再來一個就會覺得他明明是進到一個班那為什麼跟我把他抽出來我要教8個1比8的學生這個在不同階段我也認為那更是另外一個我認為不公平的地方\n\n10:44.182 --> 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