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\"score\": 0.857}, {\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"發\"}, {\"word\": \"言\", \"start\": 498.158, \"end\": 498.178, \"score\": 0.0}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:03,976 --> 00:00:04,297\n主委好\n\n2\n00:00:21,124 --> 00:00:35,970\n主委一開始我也是要延續我們前面林國成委員對您的肯定我想這幾年下來我想公共工程會相對來講真的是一個比較穩定的一個單位我想因為工程會也牽涉到很多的這個工程面的問題我們當然希望說\n\n3\n00:00:37,370 --> 00:01:06,221\n像這個主委這種性格穩定有專業的人才應該留用當然新政府有新政府的考量選擇了另外一位這個有一些爭議的人來擔任你的下一位的工程會主委但我想說今天主委其實我剛剛提到了包含說我們鄰國省委也非常肯定主委過去這些年的表現那主委你有沒有什麼樣的期許跟這個經驗傳承可以透過這個地方來提供給我們新的主委主委\n\n4\n00:01:08,888 --> 00:01:23,738\n謝謝委員的指教我想在我們公共工程的推動方面每一個環節都相當重要尤其是剛剛委員提到有從源頭的管理公共工程委員會有一\n\n5\n00:01:24,338 --> 00:01:42,167\n一個角色就是扮演全面的規劃推動那麼每一個環節就要從源頭就要規定包括預算的編列設計到建造施工那麼我們會把這樣的一個做法會讓未來的這個主任委員跟我們團隊會繼續的努力下去謝謝\n\n6\n00:01:44,348 --> 00:01:58,316\n主委我想你把一些規範建立起來後續接手的人如果不要胡搞瞎搞的話我想這個相對還是能夠去穩定下去啦那談到這個規範的部分我也注意到工程會最近推出了所謂的檢探的這個新的規範\n\n7\n00:01:59,617 --> 00:02:13,049\n那這個是所有的這個電子採購網都要新增所謂減碳的欄位要求說不會在這個興建工程的時候要預估這個碳含量因為我想接下來這個未來的碳稅也好未來這個這個\n\n8\n00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:43,645\n環境永續的問題也好、ECO問題也好,這個減碳是非常重要的環節,所以也就有問題肯定工程會把這個規範先建立起來,因為這個如果沒有填的話,就沒有辦法完成所謂的採購程序,但是我覺得有一個遺憾是說,這個計畫有沒有預計它能夠減少多少的碳排量,因為從目前的這個網站填寫看起來,它並沒有說這個要求要填寫多少的這個碳含量,就是它寫多少,\n\n9\n00:02:44,745 --> 00:03:09,854\n隨便他寫還是有個規範但有沒有實質的這個方向還是說只要有寫的他就能夠通過了謝謝委員的主調有關生態減核能源減碳這個部分在公共營建工程方面他佔有很大的一個部分那他必須從設計規劃設計到施工全生命週期都要去兼顧\n\n10\n00:03:10,774 --> 00:03:36,774\n那現在工程會本來生態檢核生態檢核方面已經早就有這個規定那麼目前我們是先提醒各機關預備現在一個規劃那麼做準備未來會配合相關的部門他們規定減碳的相關的一些規定的這個百分比之後再會進入到實質的這個執行\n\n11\n00:03:38,795 --> 00:03:58,192\n那特別跟委員報告公共工程的這個進行不是只有施工階段,必須從設計規劃就要開始,就要去把它注意到這個材料工程的這個運用,那麼才能兼顧到後面的減碳的這個部分,必須要重頭來管理。\n\n12\n00:03:59,273 --> 00:04:18,170\n主委因為碳排這個問題我想所有的尤其是台灣現在有很多的營建工程啦營建工程它本身它本來的碳排就非常非常的高所以我想問就是說再次想確認一下所以目前來講現在所謂的採購的部分像填寫碳排的這個碳含量的部分是它只要有填就可以呢還是它是要有一個實際的計畫\n\n13\n00:04:20,031 --> 00:04:45,848\n才能夠通過這個網站的設定目前是由他自己來做一個主動的一個來填報那未來就會詳細的規範未來是透過什麼單位經濟部還是環境部還是還沒有討論他們會有一個這個詳細的規定之後我們這邊就會落實到規範裡面進去來要求處刑那這個期程是由你們來定的還是由其他的\n\n14\n00:04:47,185 --> 00:04:56,156\n負責這個所謂碳排業務的單位來訂?由他們來訂,我們就來組成。好,主委謝謝齁。那接下來我要就教一下我們勞安署,我們署長。\n\n15\n00:04:58,342 --> 00:05:19,409\n委員好,署長我想這個我看到一些新聞啊,那包含說我們現在因為職災勞工的重建的服務量可能在各個地方相對比較不夠那過去財產法人職業災害預防及重建中心編了2500萬元要在我們高雄來成立所謂的職業健康及重建之家\n\n16\n00:05:20,209 --> 00:05:39,679\n那我要提到說過去其實在其他城市有所謂的職災職能復健的專責醫院跟這個職災職能復健的強化的訓練機構那到底專責醫院訓練機構跟這個所謂重建之家他彼此之間的這個權責跟這個架構有什麼差別可以請組長說明一下謝謝委員的指教這個我們這個\n\n17\n00:05:42,941 --> 00:06:08,331\n整個職災落空的重建的機制是在110年新的災害法令進來之後我們有指定了17家職業災害整治專責醫院還有32家職能復健專責醫院還有其他工作強化中心那這個重建這家是我們新成立這個草原法人職災預防重建中心想要做個示範的模式希望我們這個中心能夠針對比較特殊個案做一些\n\n18\n00:06:08,971 --> 00:06:09,171\n委員會主席\n\n19\n00:06:30,504 --> 00:06:55,970\n三個機構的整合跟那個協調,我們會做細緻的討論,讓這個能夠順利的上路。那這個重新執交未來只會一個城市有嗎?還是各地都會來辦理相關的業務?報告委員,我們會先做示範,那我們會主張是有私能災害比較多的勞工為優先的地方。那我們為什麼請出高雄,因為高雄是重工業,而高雄職業災害私能的人數也相對比較多,所以我們先選那個地方做示範。好,署長,那我們看下一張好了。\n\n20\n00:06:56,790 --> 00:07:17,058\n這近三年所謂勞工職災保險現金給付人次裡面你可以看到每年看下來其實六都裡面比較多人申請職災的人是在臺北跟台中啊他佔的比例相對比較高所以剛剛署長你剛剛提到說高雄在你的這個統計裡面好像你覺得比較多所以你要先以高雄做示範區\n\n21\n00:07:17,918 --> 00:07:46,418\n但是以看這個數字來講的話其實臺北跟臺中申請職災保險的這個心理指揮員是相對比其他地方也來得多但第一名臺北第二名臺中第三名高雄這是這幾年下來統計數據長這樣子所以這個像這個這個你剛剛講那個之家齁這個職業這個職能訓練之家齁跟後續的這個會面的規劃包含說我們的職災專責醫院臺中4家臺北2家那高雄有5家齁所以在比例上面是不是在資源分配上\n\n22\n00:07:47,121 --> 00:07:47,907\n有點不均衡\n\n23\n00:07:48,917 --> 00:08:17,317\n謝謝委員提醒其實我們的專責醫院、復健醫院都是要讓老公可靜靜性的那臺中市現在是五家那有關需要的部分只要醫院有可以我們也會互相做調查來增加但是醫療量能的部分也要做一些平衡性的檢討那跟委員回報這個這個是整體的指摘起步包括死亡、失能跟傷病那我們剛剛跟委員回報的是失能部分確實是高雄市比較偏多的那未來臺北、臺中要不要增加我們看事辦的效果怎麼樣會再做後面的整體考量\n\n24\n00:08:17,737 --> 00:08:18,178\n謝謝黃健豪委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3976\t4297\t主委好\n21124\t35970\t主委一開始我也是要延續我們前面林國成委員對您的肯定我想這幾年下來我想公共工程會相對來講真的是一個比較穩定的一個單位我想因為工程會也牽涉到很多的這個工程面的問題我們當然希望說\n37370\t66221\t像這個主委這種性格穩定有專業的人才應該留用當然新政府有新政府的考量選擇了另外一位這個有一些爭議的人來擔任你的下一位的工程會主委但我想說今天主委其實我剛剛提到了包含說我們鄰國省委也非常肯定主委過去這些年的表現那主委你有沒有什麼樣的期許跟這個經驗傳承可以透過這個地方來提供給我們新的主委主委\n68888\t83738\t謝謝委員的指教我想在我們公共工程的推動方面每一個環節都相當重要尤其是剛剛委員提到有從源頭的管理公共工程委員會有一\n84338\t102167\t一個角色就是扮演全面的規劃推動那麼每一個環節就要從源頭就要規定包括預算的編列設計到建造施工那麼我們會把這樣的一個做法會讓未來的這個主任委員跟我們團隊會繼續的努力下去謝謝\n104348\t118316\t主委我想你把一些規範建立起來後續接手的人如果不要胡搞瞎搞的話我想這個相對還是能夠去穩定下去啦那談到這個規範的部分我也注意到工程會最近推出了所謂的檢探的這個新的規範\n119617\t133049\t那這個是所有的這個電子採購網都要新增所謂減碳的欄位要求說不會在這個興建工程的時候要預估這個碳含量因為我想接下來這個未來的碳稅也好未來這個這個\n134930\t163645\t環境永續的問題也好、ECO問題也好,這個減碳是非常重要的環節,所以也就有問題肯定工程會把這個規範先建立起來,因為這個如果沒有填的話,就沒有辦法完成所謂的採購程序,但是我覺得有一個遺憾是說,這個計畫有沒有預計它能夠減少多少的碳排量,因為從目前的這個網站填寫看起來,它並沒有說這個要求要填寫多少的這個碳含量,就是它寫多少,\n164745\t189854\t隨便他寫還是有個規範但有沒有實質的這個方向還是說只要有寫的他就能夠通過了謝謝委員的主調有關生態減核能源減碳這個部分在公共營建工程方面他佔有很大的一個部分那他必須從設計規劃設計到施工全生命週期都要去兼顧\n190774\t216774\t那現在工程會本來生態檢核生態檢核方面已經早就有這個規定那麼目前我們是先提醒各機關預備現在一個規劃那麼做準備未來會配合相關的部門他們規定減碳的相關的一些規定的這個百分比之後再會進入到實質的這個執行\n218795\t238192\t那特別跟委員報告公共工程的這個進行不是只有施工階段,必須從設計規劃就要開始,就要去把它注意到這個材料工程的這個運用,那麼才能兼顧到後面的減碳的這個部分,必須要重頭來管理。\n239273\t258170\t主委因為碳排這個問題我想所有的尤其是台灣現在有很多的營建工程啦營建工程它本身它本來的碳排就非常非常的高所以我想問就是說再次想確認一下所以目前來講現在所謂的採購的部分像填寫碳排的這個碳含量的部分是它只要有填就可以呢還是它是要有一個實際的計畫\n260031\t285848\t才能夠通過這個網站的設定目前是由他自己來做一個主動的一個來填報那未來就會詳細的規範未來是透過什麼單位經濟部還是環境部還是還沒有討論他們會有一個這個詳細的規定之後我們這邊就會落實到規範裡面進去來要求處刑那這個期程是由你們來定的還是由其他的\n287185\t296156\t負責這個所謂碳排業務的單位來訂?由他們來訂,我們就來組成。好,主委謝謝齁。那接下來我要就教一下我們勞安署,我們署長。\n298342\t319409\t委員好,署長我想這個我看到一些新聞啊,那包含說我們現在因為職災勞工的重建的服務量可能在各個地方相對比較不夠那過去財產法人職業災害預防及重建中心編了2500萬元要在我們高雄來成立所謂的職業健康及重建之家\n320209\t339679\t那我要提到說過去其實在其他城市有所謂的職災職能復健的專責醫院跟這個職災職能復健的強化的訓練機構那到底專責醫院訓練機構跟這個所謂重建之家他彼此之間的這個權責跟這個架構有什麼差別可以請組長說明一下謝謝委員的指教這個我們這個\n342941\t368331\t整個職災落空的重建的機制是在110年新的災害法令進來之後我們有指定了17家職業災害整治專責醫院還有32家職能復健專責醫院還有其他工作強化中心那這個重建這家是我們新成立這個草原法人職災預防重建中心想要做個示範的模式希望我們這個中心能夠針對比較特殊個案做一些\n368971\t369171\t委員會主席\n390504\t415970\t三個機構的整合跟那個協調,我們會做細緻的討論,讓這個能夠順利的上路。那這個重新執交未來只會一個城市有嗎?還是各地都會來辦理相關的業務?報告委員,我們會先做示範,那我們會主張是有私能災害比較多的勞工為優先的地方。那我們為什麼請出高雄,因為高雄是重工業,而高雄職業災害私能的人數也相對比較多,所以我們先選那個地方做示範。好,署長,那我們看下一張好了。\n416790\t437058\t這近三年所謂勞工職災保險現金給付人次裡面你可以看到每年看下來其實六都裡面比較多人申請職災的人是在臺北跟台中啊他佔的比例相對比較高所以剛剛署長你剛剛提到說高雄在你的這個統計裡面好像你覺得比較多所以你要先以高雄做示範區\n437918\t466418\t但是以看這個數字來講的話其實臺北跟臺中申請職災保險的這個心理指揮員是相對比其他地方也來得多但第一名臺北第二名臺中第三名高雄這是這幾年下來統計數據長這樣子所以這個像這個這個你剛剛講那個之家齁這個職業這個職能訓練之家齁跟後續的這個會面的規劃包含說我們的職災專責醫院臺中4家臺北2家那高雄有5家齁所以在比例上面是不是在資源分配上\n467121\t467907\t有點不均衡\n468917\t497317\t謝謝委員提醒其實我們的專責醫院、復健醫院都是要讓老公可靜靜性的那臺中市現在是五家那有關需要的部分只要醫院有可以我們也會互相做調查來增加但是醫療量能的部分也要做一些平衡性的檢討那跟委員回報這個這個是整體的指摘起步包括死亡、失能跟傷病那我們剛剛跟委員回報的是失能部分確實是高雄市比較偏多的那未來臺北、臺中要不要增加我們看事辦的效果怎麼樣會再做後面的整體考量\n497737\t498178\t謝謝黃健豪委員發言\n","txt":"主委好\n主委一開始我也是要延續我們前面林國成委員對您的肯定我想這幾年下來我想公共工程會相對來講真的是一個比較穩定的一個單位我想因為工程會也牽涉到很多的這個工程面的問題我們當然希望說\n像這個主委這種性格穩定有專業的人才應該留用當然新政府有新政府的考量選擇了另外一位這個有一些爭議的人來擔任你的下一位的工程會主委但我想說今天主委其實我剛剛提到了包含說我們鄰國省委也非常肯定主委過去這些年的表現那主委你有沒有什麼樣的期許跟這個經驗傳承可以透過這個地方來提供給我們新的主委主委\n謝謝委員的指教我想在我們公共工程的推動方面每一個環節都相當重要尤其是剛剛委員提到有從源頭的管理公共工程委員會有一\n一個角色就是扮演全面的規劃推動那麼每一個環節就要從源頭就要規定包括預算的編列設計到建造施工那麼我們會把這樣的一個做法會讓未來的這個主任委員跟我們團隊會繼續的努力下去謝謝\n主委我想你把一些規範建立起來後續接手的人如果不要胡搞瞎搞的話我想這個相對還是能夠去穩定下去啦那談到這個規範的部分我也注意到工程會最近推出了所謂的檢探的這個新的規範\n那這個是所有的這個電子採購網都要新增所謂減碳的欄位要求說不會在這個興建工程的時候要預估這個碳含量因為我想接下來這個未來的碳稅也好未來這個這個\n環境永續的問題也好、ECO問題也好,這個減碳是非常重要的環節,所以也就有問題肯定工程會把這個規範先建立起來,因為這個如果沒有填的話,就沒有辦法完成所謂的採購程序,但是我覺得有一個遺憾是說,這個計畫有沒有預計它能夠減少多少的碳排量,因為從目前的這個網站填寫看起來,它並沒有說這個要求要填寫多少的這個碳含量,就是它寫多少,\n隨便他寫還是有個規範但有沒有實質的這個方向還是說只要有寫的他就能夠通過了謝謝委員的主調有關生態減核能源減碳這個部分在公共營建工程方面他佔有很大的一個部分那他必須從設計規劃設計到施工全生命週期都要去兼顧\n那現在工程會本來生態檢核生態檢核方面已經早就有這個規定那麼目前我們是先提醒各機關預備現在一個規劃那麼做準備未來會配合相關的部門他們規定減碳的相關的一些規定的這個百分比之後再會進入到實質的這個執行\n那特別跟委員報告公共工程的這個進行不是只有施工階段,必須從設計規劃就要開始,就要去把它注意到這個材料工程的這個運用,那麼才能兼顧到後面的減碳的這個部分,必須要重頭來管理。\n主委因為碳排這個問題我想所有的尤其是台灣現在有很多的營建工程啦營建工程它本身它本來的碳排就非常非常的高所以我想問就是說再次想確認一下所以目前來講現在所謂的採購的部分像填寫碳排的這個碳含量的部分是它只要有填就可以呢還是它是要有一個實際的計畫\n才能夠通過這個網站的設定目前是由他自己來做一個主動的一個來填報那未來就會詳細的規範未來是透過什麼單位經濟部還是環境部還是還沒有討論他們會有一個這個詳細的規定之後我們這邊就會落實到規範裡面進去來要求處刑那這個期程是由你們來定的還是由其他的\n負責這個所謂碳排業務的單位來訂?由他們來訂,我們就來組成。好,主委謝謝齁。那接下來我要就教一下我們勞安署,我們署長。\n委員好,署長我想這個我看到一些新聞啊,那包含說我們現在因為職災勞工的重建的服務量可能在各個地方相對比較不夠那過去財產法人職業災害預防及重建中心編了2500萬元要在我們高雄來成立所謂的職業健康及重建之家\n那我要提到說過去其實在其他城市有所謂的職災職能復健的專責醫院跟這個職災職能復健的強化的訓練機構那到底專責醫院訓練機構跟這個所謂重建之家他彼此之間的這個權責跟這個架構有什麼差別可以請組長說明一下謝謝委員的指教這個我們這個\n整個職災落空的重建的機制是在110年新的災害法令進來之後我們有指定了17家職業災害整治專責醫院還有32家職能復健專責醫院還有其他工作強化中心那這個重建這家是我們新成立這個草原法人職災預防重建中心想要做個示範的模式希望我們這個中心能夠針對比較特殊個案做一些\n委員會主席\n三個機構的整合跟那個協調,我們會做細緻的討論,讓這個能夠順利的上路。那這個重新執交未來只會一個城市有嗎?還是各地都會來辦理相關的業務?報告委員,我們會先做示範,那我們會主張是有私能災害比較多的勞工為優先的地方。那我們為什麼請出高雄,因為高雄是重工業,而高雄職業災害私能的人數也相對比較多,所以我們先選那個地方做示範。好,署長,那我們看下一張好了。\n這近三年所謂勞工職災保險現金給付人次裡面你可以看到每年看下來其實六都裡面比較多人申請職災的人是在臺北跟台中啊他佔的比例相對比較高所以剛剛署長你剛剛提到說高雄在你的這個統計裡面好像你覺得比較多所以你要先以高雄做示範區\n但是以看這個數字來講的話其實臺北跟臺中申請職災保險的這個心理指揮員是相對比其他地方也來得多但第一名臺北第二名臺中第三名高雄這是這幾年下來統計數據長這樣子所以這個像這個這個你剛剛講那個之家齁這個職業這個職能訓練之家齁跟後續的這個會面的規劃包含說我們的職災專責醫院臺中4家臺北2家那高雄有5家齁所以在比例上面是不是在資源分配上\n有點不均衡\n謝謝委員提醒其實我們的專責醫院、復健醫院都是要讓老公可靜靜性的那臺中市現在是五家那有關需要的部分只要醫院有可以我們也會互相做調查來增加但是醫療量能的部分也要做一些平衡性的檢討那跟委員回報這個這個是整體的指摘起步包括死亡、失能跟傷病那我們剛剛跟委員回報的是失能部分確實是高雄市比較偏多的那未來臺北、臺中要不要增加我們看事辦的效果怎麼樣會再做後面的整體考量\n謝謝黃健豪委員發言\n","vtt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