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00:02:18,539\n謝謝委員的詢問這是全產業的職業災害包括死亡、失能跟傷病那針對這是全產業的部分我們會針對不同產業的災害特性我們訂立專案檢查做監督檢查有一些指引跟一些規範會要求那其實公共工程營造業部分雖然是它整體比例低但死亡率是高的所以我們把營造業當作我們重中之重做\n\n7\n00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:44,787\n災害預防檢查特別是重大災害的預防檢查好我在想今天除了營造業之外今天難得碰到你再跟你討論除了營造之外省哥的一個脈絡我覺得因為我們新的法規其中有20%的預算當然允許你有法規讓你去做這個植栽的預防跟重建這個很重要我覺得預防是重中之重\n\n8\n00:02:45,367 --> 00:03:07,964\n你預防做得好重建的需要就稍微慢慢的一個減少所以我們在預防的工作當然我們要看你統計的數字像這些這個產生的次數比較高的我們要怎麼樣去不管是愛心輔導或說去教導讓怎麼樣那這個產業已經在我們在台灣已經是幾十年了\n\n9\n00:03:08,684 --> 00:03:27,247\n為什麼每一年去輔導然後有很多的一個手冊為什麼一直他改進的速度幅度比較慢我覺得是不是想方設法真的要針對重點去做處理當然你剛剛講的第二個是嚴重程度了那我們刻意看到了我們營造業如果發生\n\n10\n00:03:27,808 --> 00:03:51,045\n指摘的話是屬於嚴重的就像你看現在的我列出來以人次比較多的排序的我們看到第6名雖然他是排第6名可是你看到後面一個表格是永久失能還部分失能就是真的就是他已經產生了終身的一個傷害甚至有一些已經永久失能這個的部分\n\n11\n00:03:51,765 --> 00:04:09,878\n數字我們發覺在金屬製品製造業他雖然是第6名可是他一旦發生他可能產生永久或者部分失能的這個部分比例非常高所以我希望你針對於這個廣度哪些次數要怎麼樣去輔導\n\n12\n00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:10,899\n主席\n\n13\n00:04:32,468 --> 00:04:35,891\n吳主委,辛苦了,因為你是做事人,我們很多人都肯定你,謝謝你。\n\n14\n00:04:58,311 --> 00:05:14,368\n那我們因為我比較擔心一件事這個就沒有談職災了就是因為我們這個T3T3第三行下當時發報遇到很多問題那也謝謝你你做一個總督導你最了解那現在一個情況是說我們蠻擔心當時講好的一個時程講好的一個進度\n\n15\n00:05:20,274 --> 00:05:44,379\n會不會有很大的一個改變那我們現在發現第一個問題上次我有跟你提一下那我最近有要到這個數據了那我們有看到在2024年4月來統計我們營造業移工的部分移工的部分因為現在本國的一個像有些產業找不到勞工所以我們去年不是一直在談這個要移工進來那現在我們發覺製造業的失聯的移工\n\n16\n00:05:45,259 --> 00:05:56,574\n在到這個今年的4月份是2493人其實在整個86000人裡面比例整體比例是沒有這麼高的但是\n\n17\n00:05:57,782 --> 00:06:13,897\n我看到陶基T3也是在疫情的時候缺工的時候第一波你們核准的公共工程陶基那時候1300多位移工然後好不容易進來了我的天啊就在大概兩年的期間1300多人跑掉了\n\n18\n00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:40,568\n五百一十九人高達三十九將近四十八那你再看這跑掉的人數跟全國總共公共營造業跑掉的人哇天啊他占到百分之二十啊這個第一個為什麼會怎麼樣這樣第二個對於那個盧偉仁議一直沒有補齊你看到這個會不會對工期有所影響\n\n19\n00:06:43,090 --> 00:07:07,323\n這個問題我在列管上面有發現這個問題就剛剛委員所指教的逃跑幾乎是這個比例相當高逃機這一個這個外勞的進駐啊比例的提高是全國第一件我們協調勞動部特別准許他提高比例的進來\n\n20\n00:07:08,263 --> 00:07:34,534\n但是呢進來之後竟然大量的逃跑非常不應該那當時我就要求勞動部跟這個淘機工地你再這樣的話我們要把原來的額度要收回結果他們就馬上從這個重介業跟實際的管理兩個職所大量降低比例在10%以下那所以這個部分是不應該發生應該要去防範的\n\n21\n00:07:34,994 --> 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03:07.964\n你預防做得好重建的需要就稍微慢慢的一個減少所以我們在預防的工作當然我們要看你統計的數字像這些這個產生的次數比較高的我們要怎麼樣去不管是愛心輔導或說去教導讓怎麼樣那這個產業已經在我們在台灣已經是幾十年了\n\n03:08.684 --> 03:27.247\n為什麼每一年去輔導然後有很多的一個手冊為什麼一直他改進的速度幅度比較慢我覺得是不是想方設法真的要針對重點去做處理當然你剛剛講的第二個是嚴重程度了那我們刻意看到了我們營造業如果發生\n\n03:27.808 --> 03:51.045\n指摘的話是屬於嚴重的就像你看現在的我列出來以人次比較多的排序的我們看到第6名雖然他是排第6名可是你看到後面一個表格是永久失能還部分失能就是真的就是他已經產生了終身的一個傷害甚至有一些已經永久失能這個的部分\n\n03:51.765 --> 04:09.878\n數字我們發覺在金屬製品製造業他雖然是第6名可是他一旦發生他可能產生永久或者部分失能的這個部分比例非常高所以我希望你針對於這個廣度哪些次數要怎麼樣去輔導\n\n04:10.759 --> 04:10.899\n主席\n\n04:32.468 --> 04:35.891\n吳主委,辛苦了,因為你是做事人,我們很多人都肯定你,謝謝你。\n\n04:58.311 --> 05:14.368\n那我們因為我比較擔心一件事這個就沒有談職災了就是因為我們這個T3T3第三行下當時發報遇到很多問題那也謝謝你你做一個總督導你最了解那現在一個情況是說我們蠻擔心當時講好的一個時程講好的一個進度\n\n05:20.274 --> 05:44.379\n會不會有很大的一個改變那我們現在發現第一個問題上次我有跟你提一下那我最近有要到這個數據了那我們有看到在2024年4月來統計我們營造業移工的部分移工的部分因為現在本國的一個像有些產業找不到勞工所以我們去年不是一直在談這個要移工進來那現在我們發覺製造業的失聯的移工\n\n05:45.259 --> 05:56.574\n在到這個今年的4月份是2493人其實在整個86000人裡面比例整體比例是沒有這麼高的但是\n\n05:57.782 --> 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