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00:01:48,446\n請教主委這樣的檢驗程序有瑕疵嗎?詳細的作業我要進一步的了解那基本上照講他應該從開始的採購會有一個標準的合格的樣品在那邊來作為依詢然後他驗收應該會有一個階段性的比例的要求那他有沒有照這樣來做這個需要進一步的了解\n\n5\n00:01:49,191 --> 00:02:13,407\n對於說我們包含我們這個採購的評判檢驗的費用也好還是程序也好應該讓我們照期間來做啦是不是這部分我們工程會針對這樣子有沒有在做怎麼樣一個要求我們各單位做一個這個都有他的我們的要求比方說他廠商自主要檢查的部分他會在整個承包的費用裡面來注印\n\n6\n00:02:14,167 --> 00:02:32,861\n如果是甲方要驗收抽驗的部分這個費用要由甲方另外去支付按照比例來進行所以這部分我們還是要求我們工程會應該是強化我們各單位針對這樣的一個抽檢的一個這個制度應該要強化畢竟這是我們的公帑我們百姓的納稅錢\n\n7\n00:02:37,424 --> 00:02:51,540\n發生這樣的一個弊論也不是我們所有的百姓樂見的啦另外我要請教主委另外一個問題就是說因為我本席在屏東縣政府服務的時候我想我們縣政府針對所謂一個公產查核小組的一個\n\n8\n00:02:52,521 --> 00:02:52,822\n徐富癸\n\n9\n00:03:11,323 --> 00:03:35,516\n查火的部分分成兩個部分一個是機關、縣市、本身、主政業務該查火的比例這個在我們大院、我們理責局長一再的建議之下現在提升到10%以上這是他們機關、主辦機關要去做的事情那工程會這邊也有一個查火小組他是針對異常案件來加以來查火\n\n10\n00:03:36,857 --> 00:03:50,248\n主委那異常案件是針對檢舉案件才會來做?檢舉或者是媒體有呈報還是有什麼的像審計部門、監察部門有提報包括大院的委員有提報的案件我們會去做專案的記錄\n\n11\n00:03:52,109 --> 00:04:06,523\n主委這一點本期是建議這樣子因為依本期的了解其實各縣市政府包含我們的鄉鎮市公所也是都要看首長對於這個案子的這個查核工程的態度\n\n12\n00:04:07,324 --> 00:04:08,245\n徐富癸徐富癸\n\n13\n00:04:34,083 --> 00:04:59,723\n這個當然是我們的責任我們會來進一步的來檢查來檢視來進一步要求像剛剛委員提到中寮隧道這個案子那麼已經發生這種狀況要到這個有人檢舉才能夠發現那我們應該從這個地方來檢視他到底在整個施工的過程監督機制哪個地方環節出問題應該從這個地方去補強\n\n14\n00:05:03,495 --> 00:05:28,217\n主委謝謝另外剛剛我們核心村委員他們也有提到所謂一個碳排的部分那當然環境部在4月29號已經公布碳廢三職法的一個草案那剛剛我聽主委講說我們也在做一個因應那但是這個部分如果說環境部最快7月公告那地方政府能夠來得及做準備嗎?主委這部分是不是沒有掌握狀況?\n\n15\n00:05:29,057 --> 00:05:51,384\n這個部分我們已經在這個準備當中我們已經先行收集相關資料那麼要求各主辦公共機關先行自行做盤點那麼怎麼樣去做到節能減碳這個部分來準備那麼來設想預先規劃那麼配合將來的這個要求能夠落實來執行\n\n16\n00:05:53,021 --> 00:06:16,932\n主委之前媒體有報導所謂的一個弓箭的綠色膨脹我們有允諾要來做吸收但是這個公共工程增加的成本的部分因為現在包含所謂的原料也好物價也好勞工的人力也好這部分真的是困難重重尤其我想未來我們面對的除了工程除了這個\n\n17\n00:06:17,652 --> 00:06:19,432\n徐富癸徐富癸徐富癸徐富癸徐富癸\n\n18\n00:06:47,557 --> 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