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00:02:03,043\n我先做一個非常簡單的那個回應有關於我們跟日本之間的那個交流那雖然說安倍總理已經不在了可是我們跟日本各界的這個關係也都維持的非常的好那比如像跟官僚體系的這個關係通常我們這方面是沒有對外來做說明但是跟官僚體系之間的那個聯繫狀況也都非常的密切我們台灣的待遇也都提升了至於一些那個對我們的這個禮遇也都在加強當中\n\n7\n00:02:07,766 --> 00:02:27,541\n我特別強調這個部分是因為其實我們很多國會議員的同事那我們過去包含我的前輩那國務委員都是以自民黨的甚至跟安倍總理那一個系統比較友善但是我們是希望包含我跟其他的國會議員的同事都希望能夠開拓開拓不同的系統\n\n8\n00:02:28,001 --> 00:02:29,121\n對日的工作同仁我們是給予肯定\n\n9\n00:02:54,787 --> 00:03:16,510\n有一個小小的問題在哪裡就是說對日本的這樣子的工作外交的工作那人力上面其實人力上面我看每年的外交特考在日本的部分不是一位就是兩位那我還記得在馬前總統時代本來兩位的被看成一位那這樣子的狀況下有沒有辦法應對\n\n10\n00:03:17,751 --> 00:03:21,815\n有兩個層次第一個層次就是說我們跟日本國會的這個聯繫到目前為止我們的聯繫都是非常的密切\n\n11\n00:03:39,031 --> 00:04:01,085\n而且我們的那個態度我們的原則就是說廣結善緣越多的這個國會議員支持台灣的話就越好那最重要的應該是這些領袖層級的那這些領袖層級跟我們代表處的這種關係也都非常的好那至於人員到底是不是夠不夠需要補那這個部分我請我們的那個秘書長來做一個簡單的說明好嗎\n\n12\n00:04:03,732 --> 00:04:27,148\n民主黨我再先簡單補充一下然後你再一併回應我們在外半導體產業上面特別是跟熊本縣那其實也是需要的這種會務交往是不斷的在上升需求也在上升那過去我們包含縣級單位就是我們對他們的縣知識我們的縣市首長出來的時候有的時候在我們的人員不足的時候\n\n13\n00:04:27,928 --> 00:04:49,622\n對方可能會聘請中國的翻譯那未來包含台積電或者是重大的半導體產業那進駐日本那我們很多國會議員去參訪的時候如果我們沒有足夠的人力配置首先你要了解科技產業這些專門用語要會那第二個你要同時又要具備日語的能力那第三個甚至你要具備英文的能力這部分能力上面的配置你怎麼看\n\n14\n00:04:51,062 --> 00:05:05,826\n跟委員報告也謝謝委員關心這個日本的業務那其實我們跟日本有一個這個在緣額上面有一個這個所謂的共識就是說雙方派駐這個對方國家的這個外交官的緣額是100名那現在這個我們派駐的這個緣額是還有這個餘裕還沒有到100名\n\n15\n00:05:12,347 --> 00:05:37,025\n所以說在這個人力上隨時都有調整的空間那至於剛剛委員提到的就是說有一些這個像臺積電金珠熊本那當然會帶動其他這個不只是這個半導體的業務還有一些這個經貿的交流這個業務也會成長那這個對外管來講當然是一時的這個接待上的負擔會增加但是我們外管假設說對於這個國內來訪的這個首長或者是這個委員的話\n\n16\n00:05:41,388 --> 00:05:55,964\n我們都是盡量用自己的同仁或自己的僱員來擔任接待或是傳譯那如果說在人手還有不足的時候我們也會用比如說我們的留學生優秀的留學生來擔任協助這樣子\n\n17\n00:05:58,607 --> 00:06:18,222\n那您剛講的那個用這個所謂的中國這個人來當翻譯有時候我是知道說這個日本的這個其他縣市啊有時候他們在會請會聘請一些這個外部的人員包括中國的這個人士來擔任這個中文的傳譯我沒有要針對這件事情在批評我不覺得這是一定對或者是一定錯\n\n18\n00:06:18,973 --> 00:06:37,131\n因為其實有時候在觀光上面的這些對話我們不需要去限制來一個國籍那我今天講的這些人力上面的配置就是希望說在敏感的議題上面比方說在半導體產業上面那可能是希望我們自己國家能夠有專門的傳譯展或者是有外交官直接來進入這樣子的場域裡面\n\n19\n00:06:38,012 --> 00:06:38,553\n陳冠廷\n\n20\n00:07:00,936 --> 00:07:07,041\n我認為未來的溝通上面,包含日方派駐我們的增高,我方派駐他們的增高都必須要討論。那還有在防衛上面,在安全保障上面,其實我們要求的接觸的對象是這層面很廣。\n\n21\n00:07:24,494 --> 00:07:41,409\n那就不是只有外交也不是只有他們的什麼海保廳或者是他們的防衛省那包含他們的警視單位警視廳等等其實那個安全的層面就很多元那就是說說我們各單位包含國防啦那個警政啦或者是海巡這些單位去的時候\n\n22\n00:07:42,270 --> 00:08:04,117\n要有效的對話的時候變成說我們的這些人力的資本的配置就很重要因為說實在話英文大概我們的外交人員大概基本上都會但是日文專業的話他還是需要花時間去培訓那就算是我們很優秀的國人的這些同學日文系畢業的但是要進入政治的領域外交的領域那都還是要長時間的去培育\n\n23\n00:08:04,577 --> 00:08:24,916\n那在長時間培育包含外交的培育上面我們是真的是希望說對日的部分還是要先想好還有都還沒有提到CPTPP這些先貿易相關的所以經濟部也必須要有這樣的協助所以還是希望說整體的人員配置上面能夠全面性的在做討論那再有想要請教數位外交的部分部長那我先請部長是\n\n24\n00:08:27,486 --> 00:08:42,598\n部長我們在這個媒體上面或者是現在已經不是只有單純的媒體就是社群媒體上面我們看到外交部其實在推特也好或者是現在叫X嘛都有特別在歐洲的部分我是蠻肯定就是說都可以\n\n25\n00:08:43,319 --> 00:08:45,060\n如果我們看這一則是全中文的這個是給台灣人看還是給韓國人看\n\n26\n00:09:07,297 --> 00:09:27,591\n如果我們不仔細看的話應該會認為他是駐台北韓國代表部為了要拉近跟台灣人的距離寫中文貼文但其實這是我們駐韓國代表處的臉書文所以我認為說這個貼文的溝通方向是不正確的就是說我們不需要或許也需要但是就比重上面我們還是以韓國的為主或者是以住在國家為主\n\n27\n00:09:28,231 --> 00:09:44,851\n那我認為這個沒有什麼好特別去批判的只是說這個方向可以跟其他的我們駐外的同仁們來稍微談一下說還是以住在國能讓他們多了解我國的這個狀況為主這樣子不知道是不是可以麻煩部長來跟他們來分享一下\n\n28\n00:09:45,151 --> 00:10:12,624\n是第一個就是非常謝謝委員的提醒那我們會提醒我們相關的這個外館那我們也鼓勵我們的外館不管是在臉書或者是那個X上面都能夠使用當地的語言或者是至少使用英文那目前大部分的館出都沒有問題那這個特案的話這個個案的話我們來提醒部長最後還是抱歉真的早晚我再補充一下就好那個關於clearance的部分其實我知道\n\n29\n00:10:13,783 --> 00:10:26,594\n因為還是還是因為部長你可能要去接任秘書長了所以我還是要再談一下最近的外交部也好國防部也好有很多泄出的文件那他可能是資安的議題但我都會傾向可能是用最\n\n30\n00:10:27,918 --> 00:10:28,218\n陳冠廷\n\n31\n00:10:51,636 --> 00:11:12,788\n每一個縣市的這些官員或者是到中央的官員大家要應付的事情大家要處理的事情都很多可是還是要有當責的概念就是說如果這個團結比方說我們的外交幫交的這個平等的這個各個燈號的狀況被洩出去的話總是要有人負責那不管是在考機上面還是要做一些調整那\n\n32\n00:11:13,729 --> 00:11:31,737\n我必須要有一個機制就是不能夠說就是一方面只是責難同仁但是我們卻沒有解決的方案我是希望說能夠討論解決的方案之後才針對人再去做處置但是先對事這件部分再處置\n\n33\n00:11:33,057 --> 00:11:54,497\n非常謝謝委員如果說有機會的話我再跟委員做比較詳細的說明那針對我們這些公文被流出去的那的確我們也採取了很多的這些必要的這個補救的措施那對於同仁的那個securityclearance這個事情我們也都非常的重視沒有處理到相關的這個業務的同仁是不應該去處理這些事情或者是說沒有Security\n\n34\n00:11:54,897 --> 00:11:54,918\n謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t109\t請吳部長\n8447\t36890\t委員好部長好部長在開始之前我先簡單回應其實今天很多記者朋友都有提到川普前總統有提到對台灣或者是對盟友特別是應該是強調是對盟友是否有有沒有這個付錢有沒有付錢基本上就是這樣子那我必須再強調其實我們對美的順差對美的順差在去年去年是805億美元所以說其實某種程度來上\n37651\t37831\t陳冠廷\n57691\t59572\t吳長我想要請教一下我們對日關係的這個框架\n73658\t91076\t那我知道說其實我們對美關係其實越來越好那但是對日的部分隨著這個我們安倍前總理的過世之後其實在自民黨上面都還是會有一些系統上面的變化我想是不是可以請部長或者是秘書長來簡單來扼要的來說明一下我們現在對日工作的狀況\n94712\t123043\t我先做一個非常簡單的那個回應有關於我們跟日本之間的那個交流那雖然說安倍總理已經不在了可是我們跟日本各界的這個關係也都維持的非常的好那比如像跟官僚體系的這個關係通常我們這方面是沒有對外來做說明但是跟官僚體系之間的那個聯繫狀況也都非常的密切我們台灣的待遇也都提升了至於一些那個對我們的這個禮遇也都在加強當中\n127766\t147541\t我特別強調這個部分是因為其實我們很多國會議員的同事那我們過去包含我的前輩那國務委員都是以自民黨的甚至跟安倍總理那一個系統比較友善但是我們是希望包含我跟其他的國會議員的同事都希望能夠開拓開拓不同的系統\n148001\t149121\t對日的工作同仁我們是給予肯定\n174787\t196510\t有一個小小的問題在哪裡就是說對日本的這樣子的工作外交的工作那人力上面其實人力上面我看每年的外交特考在日本的部分不是一位就是兩位那我還記得在馬前總統時代本來兩位的被看成一位那這樣子的狀況下有沒有辦法應對\n197751\t201815\t有兩個層次第一個層次就是說我們跟日本國會的這個聯繫到目前為止我們的聯繫都是非常的密切\n219031\t241085\t而且我們的那個態度我們的原則就是說廣結善緣越多的這個國會議員支持台灣的話就越好那最重要的應該是這些領袖層級的那這些領袖層級跟我們代表處的這種關係也都非常的好那至於人員到底是不是夠不夠需要補那這個部分我請我們的那個秘書長來做一個簡單的說明好嗎\n243732\t267148\t民主黨我再先簡單補充一下然後你再一併回應我們在外半導體產業上面特別是跟熊本縣那其實也是需要的這種會務交往是不斷的在上升需求也在上升那過去我們包含縣級單位就是我們對他們的縣知識我們的縣市首長出來的時候有的時候在我們的人員不足的時候\n267928\t289622\t對方可能會聘請中國的翻譯那未來包含台積電或者是重大的半導體產業那進駐日本那我們很多國會議員去參訪的時候如果我們沒有足夠的人力配置首先你要了解科技產業這些專門用語要會那第二個你要同時又要具備日語的能力那第三個甚至你要具備英文的能力這部分能力上面的配置你怎麼看\n291062\t305826\t跟委員報告也謝謝委員關心這個日本的業務那其實我們跟日本有一個這個在緣額上面有一個這個所謂的共識就是說雙方派駐這個對方國家的這個外交官的緣額是100名那現在這個我們派駐的這個緣額是還有這個餘裕還沒有到100名\n312347\t337025\t所以說在這個人力上隨時都有調整的空間那至於剛剛委員提到的就是說有一些這個像臺積電金珠熊本那當然會帶動其他這個不只是這個半導體的業務還有一些這個經貿的交流這個業務也會成長那這個對外管來講當然是一時的這個接待上的負擔會增加但是我們外管假設說對於這個國內來訪的這個首長或者是這個委員的話\n341388\t355964\t我們都是盡量用自己的同仁或自己的僱員來擔任接待或是傳譯那如果說在人手還有不足的時候我們也會用比如說我們的留學生優秀的留學生來擔任協助這樣子\n358607\t378222\t那您剛講的那個用這個所謂的中國這個人來當翻譯有時候我是知道說這個日本的這個其他縣市啊有時候他們在會請會聘請一些這個外部的人員包括中國的這個人士來擔任這個中文的傳譯我沒有要針對這件事情在批評我不覺得這是一定對或者是一定錯\n378973\t397131\t因為其實有時候在觀光上面的這些對話我們不需要去限制來一個國籍那我今天講的這些人力上面的配置就是希望說在敏感的議題上面比方說在半導體產業上面那可能是希望我們自己國家能夠有專門的傳譯展或者是有外交官直接來進入這樣子的場域裡面\n398012\t398553\t陳冠廷\n420936\t427041\t我認為未來的溝通上面,包含日方派駐我們的增高,我方派駐他們的增高都必須要討論。那還有在防衛上面,在安全保障上面,其實我們要求的接觸的對象是這層面很廣。\n444494\t461409\t那就不是只有外交也不是只有他們的什麼海保廳或者是他們的防衛省那包含他們的警視單位警視廳等等其實那個安全的層面就很多元那就是說說我們各單位包含國防啦那個警政啦或者是海巡這些單位去的時候\n462270\t484117\t要有效的對話的時候變成說我們的這些人力的資本的配置就很重要因為說實在話英文大概我們的外交人員大概基本上都會但是日文專業的話他還是需要花時間去培訓那就算是我們很優秀的國人的這些同學日文系畢業的但是要進入政治的領域外交的領域那都還是要長時間的去培育\n484577\t504916\t那在長時間培育包含外交的培育上面我們是真的是希望說對日的部分還是要先想好還有都還沒有提到CPTPP這些先貿易相關的所以經濟部也必須要有這樣的協助所以還是希望說整體的人員配置上面能夠全面性的在做討論那再有想要請教數位外交的部分部長那我先請部長是\n507486\t522598\t部長我們在這個媒體上面或者是現在已經不是只有單純的媒體就是社群媒體上面我們看到外交部其實在推特也好或者是現在叫X嘛都有特別在歐洲的部分我是蠻肯定就是說都可以\n523319\t525060\t如果我們看這一則是全中文的這個是給台灣人看還是給韓國人看\n547297\t567591\t如果我們不仔細看的話應該會認為他是駐台北韓國代表部為了要拉近跟台灣人的距離寫中文貼文但其實這是我們駐韓國代表處的臉書文所以我認為說這個貼文的溝通方向是不正確的就是說我們不需要或許也需要但是就比重上面我們還是以韓國的為主或者是以住在國家為主\n568231\t584851\t那我認為這個沒有什麼好特別去批判的只是說這個方向可以跟其他的我們駐外的同仁們來稍微談一下說還是以住在國能讓他們多了解我國的這個狀況為主這樣子不知道是不是可以麻煩部長來跟他們來分享一下\n585151\t612624\t是 第一個就是非常謝謝委員的提醒那我們會提醒我們相關的這個外館那我們也鼓勵我們的外館不管是在臉書或者是那個X上面都能夠使用當地的語言或者是至少使用英文那目前大部分的館出都沒有問題那這個特案的話這個個案的話我們來提醒部長最後還是抱歉真的早晚我再補充一下就好那個關於clearance的部分其實我知道\n613783\t626594\t因為還是還是因為部長你可能要去接任秘書長了所以我還是要再談一下最近的外交部也好國防部也好有很多泄出的文件那他可能是資安的議題但我都會傾向可能是用最\n627918\t628218\t陳冠廷\n651636\t672788\t每一個縣市的這些官員或者是到中央的官員大家要應付的事情大家要處理的事情都很多可是還是要有當責的概念就是說如果這個團結比方說我們的外交幫交的這個平等的這個各個燈號的狀況被洩出去的話總是要有人負責那不管是在考機上面還是要做一些調整那\n673729\t691737\t我必須要有一個機制就是不能夠說就是一方面只是責難同仁但是我們卻沒有解決的方案我是希望說能夠討論解決的方案之後才針對人再去做處置但是先對事這件部分再處置\n693057\t714497\t非常謝謝委員如果說有機會的話我再跟委員做比較詳細的說明那針對我們這些公文被流出去的那的確我們也採取了很多的這些必要的這個補救的措施那對於同仁的那個security clearance這個事情我們也都非常的重視沒有處理到相關的這個業務的同仁是不應該去處理這些事情或者是說沒有Security\n714897\t714918\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"請吳部長\n委員好部長好部長在開始之前我先簡單回應其實今天很多記者朋友都有提到川普前總統有提到對台灣或者是對盟友特別是應該是強調是對盟友是否有有沒有這個付錢有沒有付錢基本上就是這樣子那我必須再強調其實我們對美的順差對美的順差在去年去年是805億美元所以說其實某種程度來上\n陳冠廷\n吳長我想要請教一下我們對日關係的這個框架\n那我知道說其實我們對美關係其實越來越好那但是對日的部分隨著這個我們安倍前總理的過世之後其實在自民黨上面都還是會有一些系統上面的變化我想是不是可以請部長或者是秘書長來簡單來扼要的來說明一下我們現在對日工作的狀況\n我先做一個非常簡單的那個回應有關於我們跟日本之間的那個交流那雖然說安倍總理已經不在了可是我們跟日本各界的這個關係也都維持的非常的好那比如像跟官僚體系的這個關係通常我們這方面是沒有對外來做說明但是跟官僚體系之間的那個聯繫狀況也都非常的密切我們台灣的待遇也都提升了至於一些那個對我們的這個禮遇也都在加強當中\n我特別強調這個部分是因為其實我們很多國會議員的同事那我們過去包含我的前輩那國務委員都是以自民黨的甚至跟安倍總理那一個系統比較友善但是我們是希望包含我跟其他的國會議員的同事都希望能夠開拓開拓不同的系統\n對日的工作同仁我們是給予肯定\n有一個小小的問題在哪裡就是說對日本的這樣子的工作外交的工作那人力上面其實人力上面我看每年的外交特考在日本的部分不是一位就是兩位那我還記得在馬前總統時代本來兩位的被看成一位那這樣子的狀況下有沒有辦法應對\n有兩個層次第一個層次就是說我們跟日本國會的這個聯繫到目前為止我們的聯繫都是非常的密切\n而且我們的那個態度我們的原則就是說廣結善緣越多的這個國會議員支持台灣的話就越好那最重要的應該是這些領袖層級的那這些領袖層級跟我們代表處的這種關係也都非常的好那至於人員到底是不是夠不夠需要補那這個部分我請我們的那個秘書長來做一個簡單的說明好嗎\n民主黨我再先簡單補充一下然後你再一併回應我們在外半導體產業上面特別是跟熊本縣那其實也是需要的這種會務交往是不斷的在上升需求也在上升那過去我們包含縣級單位就是我們對他們的縣知識我們的縣市首長出來的時候有的時候在我們的人員不足的時候\n對方可能會聘請中國的翻譯那未來包含台積電或者是重大的半導體產業那進駐日本那我們很多國會議員去參訪的時候如果我們沒有足夠的人力配置首先你要了解科技產業這些專門用語要會那第二個你要同時又要具備日語的能力那第三個甚至你要具備英文的能力這部分能力上面的配置你怎麼看\n跟委員報告也謝謝委員關心這個日本的業務那其實我們跟日本有一個這個在緣額上面有一個這個所謂的共識就是說雙方派駐這個對方國家的這個外交官的緣額是100名那現在這個我們派駐的這個緣額是還有這個餘裕還沒有到100名\n所以說在這個人力上隨時都有調整的空間那至於剛剛委員提到的就是說有一些這個像臺積電金珠熊本那當然會帶動其他這個不只是這個半導體的業務還有一些這個經貿的交流這個業務也會成長那這個對外管來講當然是一時的這個接待上的負擔會增加但是我們外管假設說對於這個國內來訪的這個首長或者是這個委員的話\n我們都是盡量用自己的同仁或自己的僱員來擔任接待或是傳譯那如果說在人手還有不足的時候我們也會用比如說我們的留學生優秀的留學生來擔任協助這樣子\n那您剛講的那個用這個所謂的中國這個人來當翻譯有時候我是知道說這個日本的這個其他縣市啊有時候他們在會請會聘請一些這個外部的人員包括中國的這個人士來擔任這個中文的傳譯我沒有要針對這件事情在批評我不覺得這是一定對或者是一定錯\n因為其實有時候在觀光上面的這些對話我們不需要去限制來一個國籍那我今天講的這些人力上面的配置就是希望說在敏感的議題上面比方說在半導體產業上面那可能是希望我們自己國家能夠有專門的傳譯展或者是有外交官直接來進入這樣子的場域裡面\n陳冠廷\n我認為未來的溝通上面,包含日方派駐我們的增高,我方派駐他們的增高都必須要討論。那還有在防衛上面,在安全保障上面,其實我們要求的接觸的對象是這層面很廣。\n那就不是只有外交也不是只有他們的什麼海保廳或者是他們的防衛省那包含他們的警視單位警視廳等等其實那個安全的層面就很多元那就是說說我們各單位包含國防啦那個警政啦或者是海巡這些單位去的時候\n要有效的對話的時候變成說我們的這些人力的資本的配置就很重要因為說實在話英文大概我們的外交人員大概基本上都會但是日文專業的話他還是需要花時間去培訓那就算是我們很優秀的國人的這些同學日文系畢業的但是要進入政治的領域外交的領域那都還是要長時間的去培育\n那在長時間培育包含外交的培育上面我們是真的是希望說對日的部分還是要先想好還有都還沒有提到CPTPP這些先貿易相關的所以經濟部也必須要有這樣的協助所以還是希望說整體的人員配置上面能夠全面性的在做討論那再有想要請教數位外交的部分部長那我先請部長是\n部長我們在這個媒體上面或者是現在已經不是只有單純的媒體就是社群媒體上面我們看到外交部其實在推特也好或者是現在叫X嘛都有特別在歐洲的部分我是蠻肯定就是說都可以\n如果我們看這一則是全中文的這個是給台灣人看還是給韓國人看\n如果我們不仔細看的話應該會認為他是駐台北韓國代表部為了要拉近跟台灣人的距離寫中文貼文但其實這是我們駐韓國代表處的臉書文所以我認為說這個貼文的溝通方向是不正確的就是說我們不需要或許也需要但是就比重上面我們還是以韓國的為主或者是以住在國家為主\n那我認為這個沒有什麼好特別去批判的只是說這個方向可以跟其他的我們駐外的同仁們來稍微談一下說還是以住在國能讓他們多了解我國的這個狀況為主這樣子不知道是不是可以麻煩部長來跟他們來分享一下\n是 第一個就是非常謝謝委員的提醒那我們會提醒我們相關的這個外館那我們也鼓勵我們的外館不管是在臉書或者是那個X上面都能夠使用當地的語言或者是至少使用英文那目前大部分的館出都沒有問題那這個特案的話這個個案的話我們來提醒部長最後還是抱歉真的早晚我再補充一下就好那個關於clearance的部分其實我知道\n因為還是還是因為部長你可能要去接任秘書長了所以我還是要再談一下最近的外交部也好國防部也好有很多泄出的文件那他可能是資安的議題但我都會傾向可能是用最\n陳冠廷\n每一個縣市的這些官員或者是到中央的官員大家要應付的事情大家要處理的事情都很多可是還是要有當責的概念就是說如果這個團結比方說我們的外交幫交的這個平等的這個各個燈號的狀況被洩出去的話總是要有人負責那不管是在考機上面還是要做一些調整那\n我必須要有一個機制就是不能夠說就是一方面只是責難同仁但是我們卻沒有解決的方案我是希望說能夠討論解決的方案之後才針對人再去做處置但是先對事這件部分再處置\n非常謝謝委員如果說有機會的話我再跟委員做比較詳細的說明那針對我們這些公文被流出去的那的確我們也採取了很多的這些必要的這個補救的措施那對於同仁的那個security clearance這個事情我們也都非常的重視沒有處理到相關的這個業務的同仁是不應該去處理這些事情或者是說沒有Security\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:00.109\n請吳部長\n\n00:08.447 --> 00:36.890\n委員好部長好部長在開始之前我先簡單回應其實今天很多記者朋友都有提到川普前總統有提到對台灣或者是對盟友特別是應該是強調是對盟友是否有有沒有這個付錢有沒有付錢基本上就是這樣子那我必須再強調其實我們對美的順差對美的順差在去年去年是805億美元所以說其實某種程度來上\n\n00:37.651 --> 00:37.831\n陳冠廷\n\n00:57.691 --> 00:59.572\n吳長我想要請教一下我們對日關係的這個框架\n\n01:13.658 --> 01:31.076\n那我知道說其實我們對美關係其實越來越好那但是對日的部分隨著這個我們安倍前總理的過世之後其實在自民黨上面都還是會有一些系統上面的變化我想是不是可以請部長或者是秘書長來簡單來扼要的來說明一下我們現在對日工作的狀況\n\n01:34.712 --> 02:03.043\n我先做一個非常簡單的那個回應有關於我們跟日本之間的那個交流那雖然說安倍總理已經不在了可是我們跟日本各界的這個關係也都維持的非常的好那比如像跟官僚體系的這個關係通常我們這方面是沒有對外來做說明但是跟官僚體系之間的那個聯繫狀況也都非常的密切我們台灣的待遇也都提升了至於一些那個對我們的這個禮遇也都在加強當中\n\n02:07.766 --> 02:27.541\n我特別強調這個部分是因為其實我們很多國會議員的同事那我們過去包含我的前輩那國務委員都是以自民黨的甚至跟安倍總理那一個系統比較友善但是我們是希望包含我跟其他的國會議員的同事都希望能夠開拓開拓不同的系統\n\n02:28.001 --> 02:29.121\n對日的工作同仁我們是給予肯定\n\n02:54.787 --> 03:16.510\n有一個小小的問題在哪裡就是說對日本的這樣子的工作外交的工作那人力上面其實人力上面我看每年的外交特考在日本的部分不是一位就是兩位那我還記得在馬前總統時代本來兩位的被看成一位那這樣子的狀況下有沒有辦法應對\n\n03:17.751 --> 03:21.815\n有兩個層次第一個層次就是說我們跟日本國會的這個聯繫到目前為止我們的聯繫都是非常的密切\n\n03:39.031 --> 04:01.085\n而且我們的那個態度我們的原則就是說廣結善緣越多的這個國會議員支持台灣的話就越好那最重要的應該是這些領袖層級的那這些領袖層級跟我們代表處的這種關係也都非常的好那至於人員到底是不是夠不夠需要補那這個部分我請我們的那個秘書長來做一個簡單的說明好嗎\n\n04:03.732 --> 04:27.148\n民主黨我再先簡單補充一下然後你再一併回應我們在外半導體產業上面特別是跟熊本縣那其實也是需要的這種會務交往是不斷的在上升需求也在上升那過去我們包含縣級單位就是我們對他們的縣知識我們的縣市首長出來的時候有的時候在我們的人員不足的時候\n\n04:27.928 --> 04:49.622\n對方可能會聘請中國的翻譯那未來包含台積電或者是重大的半導體產業那進駐日本那我們很多國會議員去參訪的時候如果我們沒有足夠的人力配置首先你要了解科技產業這些專門用語要會那第二個你要同時又要具備日語的能力那第三個甚至你要具備英文的能力這部分能力上面的配置你怎麼看\n\n04:51.062 --> 05:05.826\n跟委員報告也謝謝委員關心這個日本的業務那其實我們跟日本有一個這個在緣額上面有一個這個所謂的共識就是說雙方派駐這個對方國家的這個外交官的緣額是100名那現在這個我們派駐的這個緣額是還有這個餘裕還沒有到100名\n\n05:12.347 --> 05:37.025\n所以說在這個人力上隨時都有調整的空間那至於剛剛委員提到的就是說有一些這個像臺積電金珠熊本那當然會帶動其他這個不只是這個半導體的業務還有一些這個經貿的交流這個業務也會成長那這個對外管來講當然是一時的這個接待上的負擔會增加但是我們外管假設說對於這個國內來訪的這個首長或者是這個委員的話\n\n05:41.388 --> 05:55.964\n我們都是盡量用自己的同仁或自己的僱員來擔任接待或是傳譯那如果說在人手還有不足的時候我們也會用比如說我們的留學生優秀的留學生來擔任協助這樣子\n\n05:58.607 --> 06:18.222\n那您剛講的那個用這個所謂的中國這個人來當翻譯有時候我是知道說這個日本的這個其他縣市啊有時候他們在會請會聘請一些這個外部的人員包括中國的這個人士來擔任這個中文的傳譯我沒有要針對這件事情在批評我不覺得這是一定對或者是一定錯\n\n06:18.973 --> 06:37.131\n因為其實有時候在觀光上面的這些對話我們不需要去限制來一個國籍那我今天講的這些人力上面的配置就是希望說在敏感的議題上面比方說在半導體產業上面那可能是希望我們自己國家能夠有專門的傳譯展或者是有外交官直接來進入這樣子的場域裡面\n\n06:38.012 --> 06:38.553\n陳冠廷\n\n07:00.936 --> 07:07.041\n我認為未來的溝通上面,包含日方派駐我們的增高,我方派駐他們的增高都必須要討論。那還有在防衛上面,在安全保障上面,其實我們要求的接觸的對象是這層面很廣。\n\n07:24.494 --> 07:41.409\n那就不是只有外交也不是只有他們的什麼海保廳或者是他們的防衛省那包含他們的警視單位警視廳等等其實那個安全的層面就很多元那就是說說我們各單位包含國防啦那個警政啦或者是海巡這些單位去的時候\n\n07:42.270 --> 08:04.117\n要有效的對話的時候變成說我們的這些人力的資本的配置就很重要因為說實在話英文大概我們的外交人員大概基本上都會但是日文專業的話他還是需要花時間去培訓那就算是我們很優秀的國人的這些同學日文系畢業的但是要進入政治的領域外交的領域那都還是要長時間的去培育\n\n08:04.577 --> 08:24.916\n那在長時間培育包含外交的培育上面我們是真的是希望說對日的部分還是要先想好還有都還沒有提到CPTPP這些先貿易相關的所以經濟部也必須要有這樣的協助所以還是希望說整體的人員配置上面能夠全面性的在做討論那再有想要請教數位外交的部分部長那我先請部長是\n\n08:27.486 --> 08:42.598\n部長我們在這個媒體上面或者是現在已經不是只有單純的媒體就是社群媒體上面我們看到外交部其實在推特也好或者是現在叫X嘛都有特別在歐洲的部分我是蠻肯定就是說都可以\n\n08:43.319 --> 08:45.060\n如果我們看這一則是全中文的這個是給台灣人看還是給韓國人看\n\n09:07.297 --> 09:27.591\n如果我們不仔細看的話應該會認為他是駐台北韓國代表部為了要拉近跟台灣人的距離寫中文貼文但其實這是我們駐韓國代表處的臉書文所以我認為說這個貼文的溝通方向是不正確的就是說我們不需要或許也需要但是就比重上面我們還是以韓國的為主或者是以住在國家為主\n\n09:28.231 --> 09:44.851\n那我認為這個沒有什麼好特別去批判的只是說這個方向可以跟其他的我們駐外的同仁們來稍微談一下說還是以住在國能讓他們多了解我國的這個狀況為主這樣子不知道是不是可以麻煩部長來跟他們來分享一下\n\n09:45.151 --> 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