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00:00:36,289\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具\n\n4\n00:00:47,380 --> 00:01:09,855\n根委員報告。對於大社會對於原住民族文字這個認知或是認識的部分,這是我們菸米會會持續再去做推廣的部分。所以我們在對於護證單位的這個工作呢,我們也訂定一個工作指南給他們做參考。如果我們族人去恢復傳統姓名的話,他們也可以做一些認識跟參考。\n\n5\n00:01:10,823 --> 00:01:33,516\n對,所以針對戶政還有跟這個民政的部分,這相關的這個,比如說你們大概覺得要多久的時間才能夠處理好這個問題?我跟你們報告,我個人認為其實這是一個,這是一個要持續進行的,其實包括我個人都需要學習,雖然我有阿美族的名字,但是說實在其他語族我也不會念。\n\n6\n00:01:34,417 --> 00:01:54,948\n但是我覺得這個就是讓社會有一個這樣子的一個瞭解認識跟認同那這樣子對於我們原住民族的文化跟習俗真的整個大的社會才有辦法彼此瞭解彼此瞭解的時候才不會有有一些這個誤會啊誤解那這個可以促進整個社會的這個和諧\n\n7\n00:01:56,008 --> 00:02:20,363\n我覺得這個是非常重要關鍵的一步那政府機關比如說在我們整個文官的體系裡面我們內政部所俠管的這個系統其實我們要學其實這個可能需要一個比較長的時間但是我認為是說從今年我們就要啟動我們修法完之後希望也能夠定出一個大概的時程也讓我們所有原住民的朋友大家能夠知道\n\n8\n00:02:20,723 --> 00:02:27,315\n二、審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具〈姓名條例第二條及第〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。\n\n9\n00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:50,668\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n10\n00:03:00,853 --> 00:03:23,114\n傳統名字拼音系統音譯規範指引。」這個部分我們會把原住民族人的這個族名的這個族人名譜會用網路數位化給大社會知道那包括也可以有錄音讓一般社會可以再看要不然說實在我們拿到您的名片我可能也不會念所以我覺得這個都是需要學習\n\n11\n00:03:23,795 --> 00:03:37,902\n第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第\n\n12\n00:03:39,002 --> 00:03:51,836\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n13\n00:03:59,253 --> 00:04:26,810\n內政部應協助處理這部分可能到時候需要陸委會跟海期會因為這需要協商我覺得這的確是一個新產生的課題這可能需要這兩個部會來去共同來去幫我們的原住民解決這個問題這個部分謝謝委員因為這不是內政部的權責範圍不過我們會來跟院來做報告跟反應另外再請教您就部長您有沒有去過大陸\n\n14\n00:04:27,899 --> 00:04:34,725\n我曾經去過所以您也是有台胞症嗎?早就失效了那請問你擔不擔心這個個資的外洩的問題?個資的問題我們自己國內的像數位身份證的暫緩就是因為擔心個資的問題嗎?那比如像這個部分您會不會擔心?\n\n15\n00:04:51,204 --> 00:05:16,349\n各支因為你所謂的各支是指的是我大概跟部長報告一下就是說我們現在申請台胞證您知道要附什麼證件嗎因為我已經很久遠了不是很知道我告訴你有身份證護照跟照片這是一般狀況可是有一個很特別的狀況就是在2023年的時候規定雙胞胎一定要有詳細的戶籍藤本請問部長\n\n16\n00:05:19,051 --> 00:05:24,898\n為什麼這就是要申請胎胞證的話請問大陸怎麼會知道申請人是不是雙胞胎這個我請這一個課題我不是很清楚並沒有特別掌握是不是請司長如果他了解的話來說明一下\n\n17\n00:05:37,689 --> 00:05:53,616\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第二條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n18\n00:05:57,117 --> 00:06:07,945\n結果要地底也要附上這個戶籍藤本這樣才可以那可是我們也很很很訝異說為什麼大陸那邊會知道他是不是雙胞胎所以這讓我衍生的想到一個問題就在我們在111年10月的時候有發生駭客在網上銷售我們2300萬的這個戶證的個資而且這個個資的資料非常的詳細包括身份證字號、姓名、家庭成員、戶籍跟原住民族身分別\n\n19\n00:06:25,817 --> 00:06:51,649\n所以這個理論上應該是內政部的這個護證的這個個資那為什麼大陸方面會有這方面的所以我在這邊嚴重的懷疑是不是當時的個資因為洩漏出去所以在2023年這個大陸那邊才會要求雙胞胎也要附上戶籍藤本所以當時的個資的部分外洩的部分請問內政部現在到底有沒有查清楚到底是誰洩漏出去\n\n20\n00:06:52,070 --> 00:06:57,784\n委員跟您報告這個我在去年的時候其實已經說明過多次在上一屆的委員\n\n21\n00:07:00,608 --> 00:07:20,644\n這個資料並不是,已經查清楚了,法務部也查清楚了,並不是內政部我們的護意證系統直接流出去,也不是遭駭客的入侵。那是什麼樣的狀況?這個他們調查大概有可能,有可能是因為使用護意證的系統在全國有70幾個機關,每一年都在使用。\n\n22\n00:07:23,286 --> 00:07:48,815\n所以有可能是從這些使用的機關所以目前還沒查到是哪一個機關洩漏出去了就對了他有一些方向不過那個法務部因為他們還在持續調查所以今天本期是點出這個問題就是說我很訝異說為什麼大陸會知道我們的國人是不是雙胞胎而已要求他附上戶籍騰本因為不了解這個個案的一個狀況對可能還是要請你們要查清楚謝謝\n\n23\n00:07:50,617 --> 00:07:54,388\n二條條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n169\t4177\t是不是請林部長跟園民會副主委我們有請林部長跟股仲副主委謝謝\n8171\t20657\t姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra\n33624\t36289\t二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具\n47380\t69855\t根委員報告。對於大社會對於原住民族文字這個認知或是認識的部分,這是我們菸米會會持續再去做推廣的部分。所以我們在對於護證單位的這個工作呢,我們也訂定一個工作指南給他們做參考。如果我們族人去恢復傳統姓名的話,他們也可以做一些認識跟參考。\n70823\t93516\t對,所以針對戶政還有跟這個民政的部分,這相關的這個,比如說你們大概覺得要多久的時間才能夠處理好這個問題?我跟你們報告,我個人認為其實這是一個,這是一個要持續進行的,其實包括我個人都需要學習,雖然我有阿美族的名字,但是說實在其他語族我也不會念。\n94417\t114948\t但是我覺得這個就是讓社會有一個這樣子的一個瞭解認識跟認同那這樣子對於我們原住民族的文化跟習俗真的整個大的社會才有辦法彼此瞭解彼此瞭解的時候才不會有有一些這個誤會啊誤解那這個可以促進整個社會的這個和諧\n116008\t140363\t我覺得這個是非常重要關鍵的一步那政府機關比如說在我們整個文官的體系裡面我們內政部所俠管的這個系統其實我們要學其實這個可能需要一個比較長的時間但是我認為是說從今年我們就要啟動我們修法完之後希望也能夠定出一個大概的時程也讓我們所有原住民的朋友大家能夠知道\n140723\t147315\t二、審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具〈姓名條例第二條及第〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。\n154500\t170668\t二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n180853\t203114\t傳統名字拼音系統音譯規範指引。」這個部分我們會把原住民族人的這個族名的這個族人名譜會用網路數位化給大社會知道那包括也可以有錄音讓一般社會可以再看要不然說實在我們拿到您的名片我可能也不會念所以我覺得這個都是需要學習\n203795\t217902\t第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第\n219002\t231836\t二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n239253\t266810\t內政部應協助處理這部分可能到時候需要陸委會跟海期會因為這需要協商我覺得這的確是一個新產生的課題這可能需要這兩個部會來去共同來去幫我們的原住民解決這個問題這個部分謝謝委員因為這不是內政部的權責範圍不過我們會來跟院來做報告跟反應另外再請教您就部長您有沒有去過大陸\n267899\t274725\t我曾經去過所以您也是有台胞症嗎?早就失效了那請問你擔不擔心這個個資的外洩的問題?個資的問題我們自己國內的像數位身份證的暫緩就是因為擔心個資的問題嗎?那比如像這個部分您會不會擔心?\n291204\t316349\t各支因為你所謂的各支是指的是我大概跟部長報告一下就是說我們現在申請台胞證您知道要附什麼證件嗎因為我已經很久遠了不是很知道我告訴你有身份證護照跟照片這是一般狀況可是有一個很特別的狀況就是在2023年的時候規定雙胞胎一定要有詳細的戶籍藤本請問部長\n319051\t324898\t為什麼這就是要申請胎胞證的話請問大陸怎麼會知道申請人是不是雙胞胎這個我請這一個課題我不是很清楚並沒有特別掌握是不是請司長如果他了解的話來說明一下\n337689\t353616\t二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第二條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n357117\t367945\t結果要地底也要附上這個戶籍藤本這樣才可以那可是我們也很很很訝異說為什麼大陸那邊會知道他是不是雙胞胎所以這讓我衍生的想到一個問題就在我們在111年10月的時候有發生駭客在網上銷售我們2300萬的這個戶證的個資而且這個個資的資料非常的詳細包括身份證字號、姓名、家庭成員、戶籍跟原住民族身分別\n385817\t411649\t所以這個理論上應該是內政部的這個護證的這個個資那為什麼大陸方面會有這方面的所以我在這邊嚴重的懷疑是不是當時的個資因為洩漏出去所以在2023年這個大陸那邊才會要求雙胞胎也要附上戶籍藤本所以當時的個資的部分外洩的部分請問內政部現在到底有沒有查清楚到底是誰洩漏出去\n412070\t417784\t委員跟您報告這個我在去年的時候其實已經說明過多次在上一屆的委員\n420608\t440644\t這個資料並不是,已經查清楚了,法務部也查清楚了,並不是內政部我們的護意證系統直接流出去,也不是遭駭客的入侵。那是什麼樣的狀況?這個他們調查大概有可能,有可能是因為使用護意證的系統在全國有70幾個機關,每一年都在使用。\n443286\t468815\t所以有可能是從這些使用的機關所以目前還沒查到是哪一個機關洩漏出去了就對了他有一些方向不過那個法務部因為他們還在持續調查所以今天本期是點出這個問題就是說我很訝異說為什麼大陸會知道我們的國人是不是雙胞胎而已要求他附上戶籍騰本因為不了解這個個案的一個狀況對可能還是要請你們要查清楚謝謝\n470617\t474388\t二條條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具\n","txt":"是不是請林部長跟園民會副主委我們有請林部長跟股仲副主委謝謝\n姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra\n二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具\n根委員報告。對於大社會對於原住民族文字這個認知或是認識的部分,這是我們菸米會會持續再去做推廣的部分。所以我們在對於護證單位的這個工作呢,我們也訂定一個工作指南給他們做參考。如果我們族人去恢復傳統姓名的話,他們也可以做一些認識跟參考。\n對,所以針對戶政還有跟這個民政的部分,這相關的這個,比如說你們大概覺得要多久的時間才能夠處理好這個問題?我跟你們報告,我個人認為其實這是一個,這是一個要持續進行的,其實包括我個人都需要學習,雖然我有阿美族的名字,但是說實在其他語族我也不會念。\n但是我覺得這個就是讓社會有一個這樣子的一個瞭解認識跟認同那這樣子對於我們原住民族的文化跟習俗真的整個大的社會才有辦法彼此瞭解彼此瞭解的時候才不會有有一些這個誤會啊誤解那這個可以促進整個社會的這個和諧\n我覺得這個是非常重要關鍵的一步那政府機關比如說在我們整個文官的體系裡面我們內政部所俠管的這個系統其實我們要學其實這個可能需要一個比較長的時間但是我認為是說從今年我們就要啟動我們修法完之後希望也能夠定出一個大概的時程也讓我們所有原住民的朋友大家能夠知道\n二、審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具〈姓名條例第二條及第〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。\n二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n傳統名字拼音系統音譯規範指引。」這個部分我們會把原住民族人的這個族名的這個族人名譜會用網路數位化給大社會知道那包括也可以有錄音讓一般社會可以再看要不然說實在我們拿到您的名片我可能也不會念所以我覺得這個都是需要學習\n第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第\n二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n內政部應協助處理這部分可能到時候需要陸委會跟海期會因為這需要協商我覺得這的確是一個新產生的課題這可能需要這兩個部會來去共同來去幫我們的原住民解決這個問題這個部分謝謝委員因為這不是內政部的權責範圍不過我們會來跟院來做報告跟反應另外再請教您就部長您有沒有去過大陸\n我曾經去過所以您也是有台胞症嗎?早就失效了那請問你擔不擔心這個個資的外洩的問題?個資的問題我們自己國內的像數位身份證的暫緩就是因為擔心個資的問題嗎?那比如像這個部分您會不會擔心?\n各支因為你所謂的各支是指的是我大概跟部長報告一下就是說我們現在申請台胞證您知道要附什麼證件嗎因為我已經很久遠了不是很知道我告訴你有身份證護照跟照片這是一般狀況可是有一個很特別的狀況就是在2023年的時候規定雙胞胎一定要有詳細的戶籍藤本請問部長\n為什麼這就是要申請胎胞證的話請問大陸怎麼會知道申請人是不是雙胞胎這個我請這一個課題我不是很清楚並沒有特別掌握是不是請司長如果他了解的話來說明一下\n二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第二條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n結果要地底也要附上這個戶籍藤本這樣才可以那可是我們也很很很訝異說為什麼大陸那邊會知道他是不是雙胞胎所以這讓我衍生的想到一個問題就在我們在111年10月的時候有發生駭客在網上銷售我們2300萬的這個戶證的個資而且這個個資的資料非常的詳細包括身份證字號、姓名、家庭成員、戶籍跟原住民族身分別\n所以這個理論上應該是內政部的這個護證的這個個資那為什麼大陸方面會有這方面的所以我在這邊嚴重的懷疑是不是當時的個資因為洩漏出去所以在2023年這個大陸那邊才會要求雙胞胎也要附上戶籍藤本所以當時的個資的部分外洩的部分請問內政部現在到底有沒有查清楚到底是誰洩漏出去\n委員跟您報告這個我在去年的時候其實已經說明過多次在上一屆的委員\n這個資料並不是,已經查清楚了,法務部也查清楚了,並不是內政部我們的護意證系統直接流出去,也不是遭駭客的入侵。那是什麼樣的狀況?這個他們調查大概有可能,有可能是因為使用護意證的系統在全國有70幾個機關,每一年都在使用。\n所以有可能是從這些使用的機關所以目前還沒查到是哪一個機關洩漏出去了就對了他有一些方向不過那個法務部因為他們還在持續調查所以今天本期是點出這個問題就是說我很訝異說為什麼大陸會知道我們的國人是不是雙胞胎而已要求他附上戶籍騰本因為不了解這個個案的一個狀況對可能還是要請你們要查清楚謝謝\n二條條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.169 --> 00:04.177\n是不是請林部長跟園民會副主委我們有請林部長跟股仲副主委謝謝\n\n00:08.171 --> 00:20.657\n姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員鄭天財Sra\n\n00:33.624 --> 00:36.289\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具\n\n00:47.380 --> 01:09.855\n根委員報告。對於大社會對於原住民族文字這個認知或是認識的部分,這是我們菸米會會持續再去做推廣的部分。所以我們在對於護證單位的這個工作呢,我們也訂定一個工作指南給他們做參考。如果我們族人去恢復傳統姓名的話,他們也可以做一些認識跟參考。\n\n01:10.823 --> 01:33.516\n對,所以針對戶政還有跟這個民政的部分,這相關的這個,比如說你們大概覺得要多久的時間才能夠處理好這個問題?我跟你們報告,我個人認為其實這是一個,這是一個要持續進行的,其實包括我個人都需要學習,雖然我有阿美族的名字,但是說實在其他語族我也不會念。\n\n01:34.417 --> 01:54.948\n但是我覺得這個就是讓社會有一個這樣子的一個瞭解認識跟認同那這樣子對於我們原住民族的文化跟習俗真的整個大的社會才有辦法彼此瞭解彼此瞭解的時候才不會有有一些這個誤會啊誤解那這個可以促進整個社會的這個和諧\n\n01:56.008 --> 02:20.363\n我覺得這個是非常重要關鍵的一步那政府機關比如說在我們整個文官的體系裡面我們內政部所俠管的這個系統其實我們要學其實這個可能需要一個比較長的時間但是我認為是說從今年我們就要啟動我們修法完之後希望也能夠定出一個大概的時程也讓我們所有原住民的朋友大家能夠知道\n\n02:20.723 --> 02:27.315\n二、審查委員高金素梅等24人擬具〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具〈姓名條例第二條及第〈姓名條例部分條文修正草案〉案。\n\n02:34.500 --> 02:50.668\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具、「姓名條例第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及\n\n03:00.853 --> 03:23.114\n傳統名字拼音系統音譯規範指引。」這個部分我們會把原住民族人的這個族名的這個族人名譜會用網路數位化給大社會知道那包括也可以有錄音讓一般社會可以再看要不然說實在我們拿到您的名片我可能也不會念所以我覺得這個都是需要學習\n\n03:23.795 --> 03:37.902\n第二條及第三條及第四條及第五條及第六條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第八條及第\n\n03:39.002 --> 03:51.836\n二、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例部分條文修正草案案。\n\n03:59.253 --> 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