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00:00:09,246\n陳彥博次長\n\n2\n00:00:23,609 --> 00:00:32,215\n市長早。市長,我們前瞻特別預算有一個改善停車問題的計畫,從106年提出以後原本是200億,後來109跟111年各修正了一次。這兩次修正經費從200億增加到260億,整個計畫準備要延長到114年,這是正確的嗎?是。\n\n3\n00:00:47,126 --> 00:01:03,768\n可見,我想我們全國各地停車的問題是很嚴重的,急需要我們大家來想辦法改善。次長請教您一下,您知不知道我們現在台灣的人口年增率第一名的是哪一個縣市?我想委員會這樣問我的話應該是桃園市。\n\n4\n00:01:04,329 --> 00:01:27,045\n你的猜測其實蠻正確的就是桃園市那其實因為我們從那個內政部的人口統計顯示我們的總人口數已經正式通過230萬這個大關了那同時到今年3月我們的人口數來到232萬也就是說你看一年之內我們就增加了3萬多人我也最近期的來看年增率全台第一\n\n5\n00:01:27,725 --> 00:01:30,828\n有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。有關教育部主管預算凍結書面報告案4案。\n\n6\n00:01:51,587 --> 00:02:01,293\n我們所有的重大建設跟停車的問題息息相關特別今天本席在這裡要跟您討論的就是我們在桃園後站的廣伊停車場我想次長不會不知道這個計畫對不對因為這個計畫兩年前王國才部長跟本席我們在桃園做考察的時候就特別針對鐵路地下化我們桃園火車站的站體跟廣伊地下停車場的這個設置我們來做了一個考察\n\n7\n00:02:21,064 --> 00:02:48,029\n這個廣義停車場現在有相當的急迫性我想必須跟次長來做說明因為呢這個停車場現在在捷運綠線的正軌道旁邊而已就在旁邊那配合我們河西市政府在116年我們整個這個綠線捷運的綠線的鐵路地下化那淺頓要開始開挖了那因為兩個相距的非常近如果我們軌道工程挖好之後我們才又再來做這個地下的這個停車場的地下室的工程\n\n8\n00:02:49,410 --> 00:03:06,308\n這個軌道它就會因為土壤密實跟這個壓力上浮對於我們綠線捷運的進度、品質、安全都會有很大很大的影響所以我們現在廣義停車場的設置有它的必要性同時我們的進程有它的急迫性那這個計畫我講到這裡次長您理解嗎\n\n9\n00:03:13,034 --> 00:03:34,839\n兩年前部長跟本席在討論做考察的時候部長親口承諾他既然有必要性也需要中央來協助所以在當時我們總預算7億那他當天承諾要來補助3.5億兩年後過去了完全沒有看到任何的補助下來這第一件事第二\n\n10\n00:03:35,279 --> 00:03:53,616\n大約在一個月前交通委員會我們辦考察再一次來到我們廣義這個停車場結果呢部長說沒有錢沒有預算沒有經費這到底是怎麼回答啊這樣我們桃園市政府以及我們桃園市的市民都非常的錯愕啊那當天呢他是說\n\n11\n00:03:55,678 --> 00:04:06,390\n有必要,這個庭場非常有必要,但現在沒有經費,4月底的時候再來做一次滾動式檢討喔。那不曉得市長,既然您剛剛一路都表達這個計畫你是知道,現在檢討到哪裡了?\n\n12\n00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:28,230\n我跟委員報告一下,有關剛才委員提到的前瞻的停車場的預算從200億增加到…你只要回答我,現在我廣義這個停車場3.5億的預算現在是怎麼樣?有關這停車場剛才特別提到說在交通委員考察的時候王部長所提到會滾動式的檢討\n\n13\n00:04:29,531 --> 00:04:59,320\n市長你不要浪費我時間一直重複我的問題當答案好不好我們現在到底我們的經費有沒有下來有沒有核定啊我們現在的正在做滾動的檢討檢討到哪裡了嗎其實現在是在公路局他們已經檢討的我的了解他們已經檢討盤點的差不多了近期差不多了什麼時候核定這個3.51的預算下來我想我們會相關的程序盡快讓它完備然後就盡快來做相關的核定\n\n14\n00:04:59,660 --> 00:05:23,711\n一個禮拜之內把這個計畫完備,然後把這3.5億的預算兩年前的承諾來兌現可以嗎?我想我們盡量朝這個方向,請公路局朝這個方向來做出來。好,謝謝市長,但是這件事情務必跟部長來做這個報告。那按照兩年前他的承諾跟今天您的答覆,我們希望一周內我們要看到廣義地下停車場3.5億中央的補助還到位。\n\n15\n00:05:24,451 --> 00:05:42,347\n那接下來我們的鐵路地下化我想再花一點點時間我們看到我們桃園的鐵路地下化不管是土建標、基建標都是嚴重的嚴大還有很多的標都沒有出去那我們看到根據鐵道局最新的進度我們預定的進度本來到現在應該要完成34.5%但實際的進度只有30.8%落後\n\n16\n00:05:46,391 --> 00:05:58,618\n但你不要以為只有落後這4%不算什麼桃園市現在正在重大建設非常多是交通黑暗期你每一個工程的落後都會嚴重影響一個城市的發展所以根據審計部112年我們看到我們的潛在預算的一個審查報告在我們鐵路地下化交通部鐵道局\n\n17\n00:06:07,082 --> 00:06:08,704\n中央政府疫後強化經濟與社會福利及全民共享經濟成果\n\n18\n00:06:27,662 --> 00:06:36,707\n我們現在用錢的速度遠比工程的進度來得要快很多那現在又因為通貨膨脹我們供應經費上漲在25%現在我們鐵路地下化目前招標的情況平均溢價在122%這些狀況次長都知道對嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:47,179 --> 00:06:59,285\n我們有掌握有掌握很好那更可怕的事情是我們整個鐵路地下化的總預算1048億竟然現在我們的進度只有30%結果花完了用慶了這是事實嗎\n\n20\n00:07:02,367 --> 00:07:11,176\n一千零四十八億已經用完了,對嗎?我跟委員報告是相關的招標出去的金額用完了嘛,對不對?招標的金額有這麼多還沒花完這很誇張啦就是說現在我們的進度嚴重落後\n\n21\n00:07:21,005 --> 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03:34.839\n兩年前部長跟本席在討論做考察的時候部長親口承諾他既然有必要性也需要中央來協助所以在當時我們總預算7億那他當天承諾要來補助3.5億兩年後過去了完全沒有看到任何的補助下來這第一件事第二\n\n03:35.279 --> 03:53.616\n大約在一個月前交通委員會我們辦考察再一次來到我們廣義這個停車場結果呢部長說沒有錢沒有預算沒有經費這到底是怎麼回答啊這樣我們桃園市政府以及我們桃園市的市民都非常的錯愕啊那當天呢他是說\n\n03:55.678 --> 04:06.390\n有必要,這個庭場非常有必要,但現在沒有經費,4月底的時候再來做一次滾動式檢討喔。那不曉得市長,既然您剛剛一路都表達這個計畫你是知道,現在檢討到哪裡了?\n\n04:09.970 --> 04:28.230\n我跟委員報告一下,有關剛才委員提到的前瞻的停車場的預算從200億增加到…你只要回答我,現在我廣義這個停車場3.5億的預算現在是怎麼樣?有關這停車場剛才特別提到說在交通委員考察的時候王部長所提到會滾動式的檢討\n\n04:29.531 --> 04:59.320\n市長你不要浪費我時間一直重複我的問題當答案好不好我們現在到底我們的經費有沒有下來有沒有核定啊我們現在的正在做滾動的檢討檢討到哪裡了嗎其實現在是在公路局他們已經檢討的我的了解他們已經檢討盤點的差不多了近期差不多了什麼時候核定這個3.51的預算下來我想我們會相關的程序盡快讓它完備然後就盡快來做相關的核定\n\n04:59.660 --> 05:23.711\n一個禮拜之內把這個計畫完備,然後把這3.5億的預算兩年前的承諾來兌現可以嗎?我想我們盡量朝這個方向,請公路局朝這個方向來做出來。好,謝謝市長,但是這件事情務必跟部長來做這個報告。那按照兩年前他的承諾跟今天您的答覆,我們希望一周內我們要看到廣義地下停車場3.5億中央的補助還到位。\n\n05:24.451 --> 05:42.347\n那接下來我們的鐵路地下化我想再花一點點時間我們看到我們桃園的鐵路地下化不管是土建標、基建標都是嚴重的嚴大還有很多的標都沒有出去那我們看到根據鐵道局最新的進度我們預定的進度本來到現在應該要完成34.5%但實際的進度只有30.8%落後\n\n05:46.391 --> 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