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00:01:10,379\n市長請花次請\n\n5\n00:01:38,411 --> 00:02:06,007\n華智,你之前預言說房價會下跌可是最近又漲了2022年第4季到2023年的第4季漲幅增幅不到10%那最近今年第1季又破了10%我看你好像破功了應該是應該是嘛,你有承認嘛那你有沒有挫折感我們花了這麼多時間做5次的信用管制我們花了這麼多時間做修法的工作修了這麼多法結果還漲,你的看法是怎麼樣?\n\n6\n00:02:07,654 --> 00:02:33,887\n確實啦當然這也涉及到因為這幾年國內的經濟狀況確實非常好資金的量能也夠那所以說當然站在內政部的立場我們其實管制面的部分我們能做的大概都盡量在做那目前看到的是資金面跟租稅面可能因為沒有太多的相對應的資質我跟你講資金面我再給你一個數字過去3年來我們的儲區每年增加3兆\n\n7\n00:02:35,648 --> 00:02:47,819\n往年一年挺多1.5兆,現在每年平均大概3.5兆,我跟您說明今年的第1季你知道增加多少嗎?增加1.5兆,一季等於過去的一年,看你會不會出事?\n\n8\n00:02:49,949 --> 00:03:06,548\n所以說是不是相關的政策工具速度要稍微快一點之前呢規劃不足的地方我意思是說呢有幾個狀況第一個現在會帶動房價的科學園區的效應蠻大的啦這第一個啦因為相對所得比較高第二個科學園區周遭的整個開發區不夠\n\n9\n00:03:08,610 --> 00:03:25,409\n第三個呢,過往我們提出的政策工具稍微偏晚了,就是公共設施、底廢地的部分、5%的部分。這5%的部分本席強烈建議你啊,不要等到蓋的時候再來找這5%啦,應該把它視為公共設施同步進行啦,先蓋,先蓋先贏啦。\n\n10\n00:03:28,356 --> 00:03:42,646\n現在其實所有的案子我們都已經先要求了,那也會先框...先框列,而且把它當公共設施,同步進行,先去,等到你後面的民間的這個開發商新建的時候,你要再去開社會住宅,有可能嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:43,763 --> 00:03:43,783\n農業部長\n\n12\n00:04:10,359 --> 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