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00:01:44,346\n每戶有15000塊,我們基本上是內政部會補助的。是,這個地方政府要主動來協助民眾檢測,尤其是外顯有明顯的破損,那不然說民眾自己還要來想辦法求助,所以我希望我們內政部去了解一下這個地方的狀況。好,我們跟台北市政府也了解一下,我們跟市府也了解一下。好,那接下來我要很關心的是我們\n\n5\n00:01:45,426 --> 00:01:58,939\n對,我們內政部在林口市大運有一座第一個是中央到地方參與的社宅。那前陣子在我們空總有一個公共藝術成果的展出,我不知道次長你有沒有去看?有。那我是去看了,看了我覺得非常的感動。確實。\n\n6\n00:02:00,020 --> 00:02:27,507\n我自己是在台北市的中正萬華區尤其是在萬華我發現社區的共融社區的互動是非常重要的那林口社宅的公共藝術我們看到其實就打破了過去監察院有對我們的公共藝術有一個糾正的報告說很多公共藝術都是未辦而辦甚至都大量的直接找廠商代辦去了看不到這個公共藝術的社會成果但是在我們林口社宅裡面的公共藝術它很多是社區型的行動計畫\n\n7\n00:02:28,647 --> 00:02:48,739\n然後甚至我們看到是弱勢戶的孩子跟長者他們自主來組成社團自己去舉辦了更多延續性的活動我覺得這非常好的社區成果生活美學才是核心沒有錯然後甚至還有影視音內容的產出少了郭子乾、郭歌來演出真正把我家富貴發號電視劇這也是我們社宅的公共藝術成果\n\n8\n00:02:52,481 --> 00:03:14,417\n我覺得只辦一個展覽其實不太夠要大肆的去宣傳最重要的是我希望它不是昙花一現因為我的選區接下來馬上就有這個萬華安居也是我們住宿中心的社宅即將要啟用了接下來有林鄉好市那在我們南機場的對面國防部9號基地我們也感謝內政部合併了即將來規劃社宅也謝謝委員支持\n\n9\n00:03:16,619 --> 00:03:31,345\n我希望我們的公共藝術的計畫能夠有一個參考,然後持續性的來延續。我們現在已經組織了更專業的團隊,我們自己內部也有,跟外部的委員,其實一定會有很棒的公共藝術計畫會提出來。\n\n10\n00:03:32,665 --> 00:03:55,058\n是,我們中央的社宅的社區融合我覺得我們要去做一個這個表彰那除了社區以外社宅很重要臺北市民最關心的就是社宅的租金的定價的公式因為過去在臺北市我們曾經發生過有天價租金的社宅那就是在這個地方政府\n\n11\n00:03:55,618 --> 00:04:22,779\n各個縣市之間對於社宅租金的訂定公式竟然不同,比方說臺北市一度要把地價稅、房屋稅都要去納入這個公式裡面,其中一部分,那為什麼要納入公司?因為他要賺市場率嘛,所以對於社宅租金的定價有過很多的討論以及辯論,那未來中央的社宅,中央社宅開始在臺北市好幾樣要啟用,然後甚至在規劃,我們對於租金的定價有沒有什麼樣的原則?\n\n12\n00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:45,840\n各位我們報告,其實當然這一題經過了很多的討論,那我們大概發現到說,如果像台北和桃園目前純然以所得稅申報的資料來當作租金定價的基礎,其實確實有蠻大的副作用已經陸陸續續產生出來。所以我們真的很誠懇地跟地方政府在溝通,我們建立一套,\n\n13\n00:04:46,460 --> 00:05:11,304\n可以讓社宅制度長治久安,也讓民眾可負擔,均衡這個一個方案。那實質上其實全國多數縣市是認同,那當然還在持續溝通當中。我相信啊,社宅租金的計算的標準應該是一國一制才是對的啦。那所以說這部分大家再多討論,我相信是有solution的啦。\n\n14\n00:05:11,624 --> 00:05:28,702\n是,事實上我必須要特別在這個時候提醒你,就是因為我認為我們中央設宅的租金啊,你一旦定出來了,它有定毛的效果。是。你有可能幫忙抑制設宅的租金,你如果沒有試算好,也有可能不小心出現了漲價。\n\n15\n00:05:30,203 --> 00:05:53,164\n所以說我們要有原則要有公式也要有試算當然當然因為其實有些現階段收費的問題其實我剛講很多副作務已經跑出來後續的收尾處理其實困難度蠻高的那當然這部分我們再繼續溝通請務必要進行周詳的試算那我們希望社宅的租金訂定出來是確實達到我們要照顧弱勢的原則\n\n16\n00:05:54,085 --> 00:05:57,871\n本則上當然是可負擔,可負擔,但是因地制宜還是要不同。\n\n17\n00:06:10,051 --> 00:06:33,831\n市長在我們前瞻的凍結案裡面有一項是我們通訊網路數位韌性計畫那因為我們事發部對衛星的發展這有非常的關切當時這個凍結的理由其中一項是台灣的衛星通訊有憂慮由特定業者有政治傾向導致國家安全受影響我們現在的這個衛星計畫已經有跟兩家業者進行合作了對不對我們有沒有排除這個疑慮\n\n18\n00:06:35,271 --> 00:07:00,606\n跟委員報告,現在目前我們的這個所謂的非同步衛星的部分已經有跟兩家國外的業者合作,那這個兩家業者我們都有確認過目前沒有國外的業者。是哪兩家?一個是SES一個是OneWeb。好,所以不會有特定政治傾向國家安全受影響的?OneWeb這家公司有英國政府的特別股權。是,那這一次呢這個跟OneWeb公司的合作在我們花蓮鎮在裡面是不是也有所運用?\n\n19\n00:07:01,346 --> 00:07:29,141\n是,謝謝委員的隨詢,我們這一次是特別在花蓮政戰的時候,我們第一時間就請我們的電信技術中心啟動我們的網路應變車,然後接下來我們第二天也感謝國軍跟內政部的合作,幫我們運用直升機幫我們把這個可移動式的OneWeb的接收器特別預料天,想直接啟用。最後要提醒的就是,我想我們今天已經達到凍結的條件,但是呢解凍的條件,但是我們希望要持續來投注預算,我們數位網路的韌性計畫非常的重要,我們希望要持續的來進行。\n\n20\n00:07:30,402 --> 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軍跟內政部的合作,幫我們運用直升機幫我們把這個可移動式的OneWeb的接收器特別預料天,想直接啟用。最後要提醒的就是,我想我們今天已經達到凍結的條件,但是呢解凍的條件,但是我們希望要持續來投注預算,我們數位網路的韌性計畫非常的重要,我們希望要持續的來進行。\n謝謝委員我們繼續努力。好,謝謝吳佩瑋的諮詢。緊接我們請葛如君委員諮詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.277 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