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00:02:52,739\n目前還在執行中。還在執行中,那抽獎是多少錢?五千塊嗎?五千元,對。就是只要來台的國際觀光客、旅客都可以去抽獎,中獎率是不是很高啊?\n\n9\n00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,461\n請問一下,你們光是這個抽獎,花在這個國際觀光客旅客的這個金額有多少?\n\n10\n00:03:22,571 --> 00:03:25,153\n所以光是花債給國際觀光旅客,給他們抽獎,台灣其實蠻大方的,就有25億之多,是吧?\n\n11\n00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:58,002\n時間暫停,主席,時間暫停。這個是他們來解凍的,你在他們的報告裡面,然後上來,還在一問三問之。你們要預算解凍嗎?相關的預算執行是25億,對。25億之多?你覺得這個有效嗎?花25億去給國際觀光旅客,這真的是大禮包耶,25億耶。\n\n12\n00:04:15,829 --> 00:04:37,637\n然後我們來看,因為我時間有限,我們可以看到,我們在疫情之前,國際觀光旅客,國外觀光旅客1100萬,超過千萬。那到去年,我們非常努力,超過600萬,超過一些。好,我們再來看,重點是我們的觀光逆差還是非常嚴重。\n\n13\n00:04:38,957 --> 00:05:04,474\n雖然我要講的是我們今天花了這麼多的錢有25億是用作是去讓你來抽獎而且抽獎率非常高可是問題是我們還有這麼大的觀光逆差所以請問這樣的大禮包這樣的花錢方式是對我們吸引國際觀光客真的有幫助嗎?\n\n14\n00:05:06,295 --> 00:05:26,634\n我想跟委員報告一下我們從這樣的一個預算來看其實在剛才也特別提到112年我們也透過這樣的方式也達成了這個600萬的人次那到目前為止呢其實這樣的方式剛才有特別提到像韓國的旅客經過這樣的方式他其實他已經恢復到疫情前的95%其實已經幾乎是快\n\n15\n00:05:29,797 --> 00:05:42,904\n所以你認為人家來是為了來幫給我們抽獎的嗎?我覺得這是舍本逐末,其實老蔣這真的是舍本逐末。這樣的一個是一個用於手段方法吸引這個國際觀光客來台,他來台以後\n\n16\n00:05:45,285 --> 00:05:45,665\n主席主席主席主席\n\n17\n00:06:06,207 --> 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--> 00:27.290\n委員好、次長好。在我們審計部在檢討整個的前瞻期的預算裡面,曾經發現我們的前瞻預算的比例的分配出現了大小眼。很多的縣市它所拿到整體的前瞻預算的金額事實上是有非常非常大的差距。\n\n00:28.450 --> 00:44.980\n台北市與高雄市的差距將近十倍之多。現在我想請問一下,在治水的部分,因為過去台北市是一塊錢都沒有拿到,但是在去年底的時候,\n\n00:45.660 --> 01:04.832\n台北市的翡翠水庫管理局曾經以前瞻基礎建設的特別預算水與環境向下向我們農業部申請了有關於水與環境的預算,而且預算的金額極少,但是最後好像是被打回票。\n\n01:05.652 --> 01:06.513\n蔡英文議員蔡英文議員蔡英文議員\n\n01:24.534 --> 01:24.574\n請呈示\n\n01:58.860 --> 02:08.564\n市長,在你們的報告裡面,你們說觀光署為了加速擴大吸引國際觀光客,編列了53億。\n\n02:12.386 --> 02:36.200\n而且呢,說到113年3月底,累計的分配數是28.84億,執行率百分之百。而且主要是辦理什麼呢?辦理這個抽獎。然後針對242萬名的旅客都可以參加抽獎。請問一下,我們現在這個抽獎的計畫還在執行中嗎?\n\n02:39.804 --> 02:52.739\n目前還在執行中。還在執行中,那抽獎是多少錢?五千塊嗎?五千元,對。就是只要來台的國際觀光客、旅客都可以去抽獎,中獎率是不是很高啊?\n\n02:54.400 --> 02:56.461\n請問一下,你們光是這個抽獎,花在這個國際觀光客旅客的這個金額有多少?\n\n03:22.571 --> 03:25.153\n所以光是花債給國際觀光旅客,給他們抽獎,台灣其實蠻大方的,就有25億之多,是吧?\n\n03:48.199 --> 03:58.002\n時間暫停,主席,時間暫停。這個是他們來解凍的,你在他們的報告裡面,然後上來,還在一問三問之。你們要預算解凍嗎?相關的預算執行是25億,對。25億之多?你覺得這個有效嗎?花25億去給國際觀光旅客,這真的是大禮包耶,25億耶。\n\n04:15.829 --> 04:37.637\n然後我們來看,因為我時間有限,我們可以看到,我們在疫情之前,國際觀光旅客,國外觀光旅客1100萬,超過千萬。那到去年,我們非常努力,超過600萬,超過一些。好,我們再來看,重點是我們的觀光逆差還是非常嚴重。\n\n04:38.957 --> 05:04.474\n雖然我要講的是我們今天花了這麼多的錢有25億是用作是去讓你來抽獎而且抽獎率非常高可是問題是我們還有這麼大的觀光逆差所以請問這樣的大禮包這樣的花錢方式是對我們吸引國際觀光客真的有幫助嗎?\n\n05:06.295 --> 05:26.634\n我想跟委員報告一下我們從這樣的一個預算來看其實在剛才也特別提到112年我們也透過這樣的方式也達成了這個600萬的人次那到目前為止呢其實這樣的方式剛才有特別提到像韓國的旅客經過這樣的方式他其實他已經恢復到疫情前的95%其實已經幾乎是快\n\n05:29.797 --> 05:42.904\n所以你認為人家來是為了來幫給我們抽獎的嗎?我覺得這是舍本逐末,其實老蔣這真的是舍本逐末。這樣的一個是一個用於手段方法吸引這個國際觀光客來台,他來台以後\n\n05:45.285 --> 05:45.665\n主席主席主席主席\n\n06:06.207 --> 06:34.926\n就是我們特別預算到114年結束為止。114年,所以一直要到明年底,有繼續這樣的大禮包。然後另外我要特別說,我非常不滿意,就是這個事在於報告,我還不是出現在報告外的題目。然後你們顯然準備不足,然後顯然你們對這筆預算,你們是覺得好像要不要給你們無所謂。我覺得剛才光是看你們,你們已經耽誤我很多時間,在那邊交頭接耳。好,謝謝。\n\n06:37.009 --> 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