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00:01:36,303\n我覺得在這一塊上當然我們內政部目前有相關的法規就是我們可以用相關的這個都更的補助辦法來做重建、整建跟維護對不對是好但是我就必須要提這個重建整建的維護我們有綁一些條件比如說都要用更新會或者是管委會或者是更新事業單位來做申請\n\n5\n00:01:37,861 --> 00:02:00,614\n但是花次你應該很清楚台灣很多老舊社區根本這些四五十年或三十年以上的根本很多人連管委會都沒有成立所以各縣市其實現在有更多的彈性就是說有些是以凍為主或甚至是以戶為主他們就整合之後他們就聯署之後有一定的證明方式之後他們就可以來申請所以\n\n6\n00:02:01,594 --> 00:02:26,736\n面臨地震過後我其實我非常的期待希望中央可以在相關的補助要點辦法上做修正可以有更多的彈性在全國試用上我們可以給予更多的協助謝謝委員這部分確實我們也在思考一方面當然我們現在有補助這個公寓也成立管委會但是確實很不積極啦很不積極所以說您剛剛講的方向正是我們現在正在\n\n7\n00:02:27,056 --> 00:02:27,917\n其實地方政府如果已經鬆綁了我們都會認同\n\n8\n00:02:57,279 --> 00:02:57,799\n法定人數不足\n\n9\n00:03:22,134 --> 00:03:22,494\n法定人數不足\n\n10\n00:03:47,203 --> 00:04:13,760\n謝謝花次接下來我要問第二個有關都更的問題花次有關於我們現在容積管制在容積管制之前圓融的認定的部分我們過去之前是用鉛筆來去做計算這個部分有關於都更的65條的獎勵方案我想你非常清楚在中高樓層我們都知道中高樓層整合上其實非常不容易來看再看下一張所以我們早期是用還沒有實施這個\n\n11\n00:04:16,842 --> 00:04:17,042\n建築法規\n\n12\n00:04:46,261 --> 00:05:09,657\n來去做選擇那容積管制之後因為沒有圓融界認定所以我們只適用一種獎勵這個就會牽涉到兩種問題一般很多人都覺得說我應該是用建造申請來去切那個界面點所以在現在面臨很多實施容積管制前後會有兩種標準剛好卡在那個界線上這個就是65條的部分所以\n\n13\n00:05:12,379 --> 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02:26.736\n面臨地震過後我其實我非常的期待希望中央可以在相關的補助要點辦法上做修正可以有更多的彈性在全國試用上我們可以給予更多的協助謝謝委員這部分確實我們也在思考一方面當然我們現在有補助這個公寓也成立管委會但是確實很不積極啦很不積極所以說您剛剛講的方向正是我們現在正在\n\n02:27.056 --> 02:27.917\n其實地方政府如果已經鬆綁了我們都會認同\n\n02:57.279 --> 02:57.799\n法定人數不足\n\n03:22.134 --> 03:22.494\n法定人數不足\n\n03:47.203 --> 04:13.760\n謝謝花次接下來我要問第二個有關都更的問題花次有關於我們現在容積管制在容積管制之前圓融的認定的部分我們過去之前是用鉛筆來去做計算這個部分有關於都更的65條的獎勵方案我想你非常清楚在中高樓層我們都知道中高樓層整合上其實非常不容易來看再看下一張所以我們早期是用還沒有實施這個\n\n04:16.842 --> 04:17.042\n建築法規\n\n04:46.261 --> 05:09.657\n來去做選擇那容積管制之後因為沒有圓融界認定所以我們只適用一種獎勵這個就會牽涉到兩種問題一般很多人都覺得說我應該是用建造申請來去切那個界面點所以在現在面臨很多實施容積管制前後會有兩種標準剛好卡在那個界線上這個就是65條的部分所以\n\n05:12.379 --> 05:31.380\n花次我知道這個部分我們內部已經在做討論那這個牽涉到很多都更的腳步我知道你們也覺得應該修應該是從領到建造來去做處理這個是一個比較合理的方式那這個也可以加快容積的認定所以在這一塊我們\n\n05:32.483 --> 05:32.703\n法定人數不足\n\n05:56.077 --> 06:24.298\n可以的話容我們一個月之內好不好好謝謝花次然後另外全國的都更的腳步我們都希望透過都更的法令的鬆綁也好你們覺得合理的方式來處理包括協議合建的部分相關的這個契稅跟土地增值稅的相關的減免可以比照我們現在權力變換的部分我也希望可以朝這方向去思考\n\n06:25.118 --> 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