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00:00:19,679\n接下來我們請蔡議委員請做這個詢答那我們因為中場不休息那我們中午12點也不休息所以敬請各位這個行政部門所有的這個人員如果有必須要去這個頭類的那請自行謝謝來蔡議委員\n\n2\n00:00:27,821 --> 00:00:36,240\n謝謝主席。那我們是不是有請我們經濟部,我們部長。好,我們再請部長。還有我們財政部的次長。我們再請財政部次長\n\n3\n00:00:38,800 --> 00:01:04,334\n好委員好部長好部長我們今天在討論針對這個中小企業那延長他們的租稅優惠那我們主要的一個重點就是在徵僱員工那針對他的一個24歲以下的青年員工或者是徵僱45歲以上中高齡的員工的話那我們就會提高這個租稅優惠從過去的130%\n\n4\n00:01:31,587 --> 00:01:52,036\n議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三\n\n5\n00:02:00,293 --> 00:02:11,902\n是。部長您的判斷是這樣嗎?對沒錯。那我再具體建議齁那如果是這樣的情況之下有沒有可能我們再增加一個級距也就是說你只要增僱65歲以上\n\n6\n00:02:15,237 --> 00:02:36,837\n就是說65歲以上照理這一群人是已經退休也不用限65歲就是說已退休者那我們再把他徵雇回來工作那徵雇回來工作這主要有一個好處就是說你看他回來他退休金是可以繼續領但是他可以繼續提供工作那企業勒要必須提撥6%\n\n7\n00:03:03,510 --> 00:03:24,873\n好,那這個就兩個部分,一個就是在台灣65歲以上還繼續在工作,這是一個。那這一次的修法是針對說,像委員講的,如果把65歲已經沒有在工作,把它回聘回來的這個部分,那我們去看統計就是65歲以上再回來工作的占比非常低。\n\n8\n00:03:25,673 --> 00:03:54,429\n所以這個部分我們評估是有增加一個級距的話事實上那個效益不是很顯著那反而我們去了解的情形就是說45歲甚至到55歲這個期間如果是要被新聘或者是徵聘這個部分效益是比較高的所以部長我要問一下就是說我們現在的規定是徵聘45歲以上那他指的是說他還沒有到退休年齡\n\n9\n00:03:55,297 --> 00:04:19,596\n對,都可以,只要是你這個企業你去徵聘一個都可以,那如果是已經退休的呢?也可以,都可以所以本來這個45歲以上就包括我講的65歲以上你把他徵聘回來我們一樣是有這個150的一個稅捐優惠所以我剛才說的意思是這樣那如果這樣我們再加一個級距如果你徵聘的是65歲以上\n\n10\n00:04:21,921 --> 00:04:43,891\n那徵聘人是65歲以上或者是已退休的人,那可能是不是這個費用加成讓他再卓度再往上提高。那增加誘因,剛剛講的是說65歲回來工作的是少的,那可能是誘因不足嘛。如果企業可以針對這樣65歲以上又適合他們可以工作的,\n\n11\n00:04:44,751 --> 00:04:44,851\n賴主席。\n\n12\n00:05:07,259 --> 00:05:07,800\nbicyC.\n\n13\n00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:17,010\n我知道,那大概就是一個月補助一萬五左右嘛。對,那現在看起來是65歲以上再回來的那個比例比較少,確實比較少。bicyC.\n\n14\n00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:26,720\n還是很少,就是說縱使現在勞動部有開放這樣的補助,退休就退休,沒想到要做這樣,很沒關係,至少我們這個45歲以上,\n\n15\n00:05:28,422 --> 00:05:29,224\n那我再問下一個\n\n16\n00:05:38,410 --> 00:06:03,292\n我們知道因為這幾年來這一個企業之間的一個調薪的一個幅度那大概這幾年都有提高首先是我們政府我們政府也有帶頭包括公務員包括國運事業事實上都有在做調薪所以公部門有帶頭那企業之間也有逐步在做這樣的一個調薪但是我們看到這個調薪的幅度\n\n17\n00:06:04,193 --> 00:06:31,781\n事實上差不多都是3%左右很難有比較更漂亮的一個數字說我們今年對員工的調薪有比較大幅度的提高所以事實上像在日本或者是韓國他們在面對第一提高基本工資但是提高基本工資的措施之後日本跟韓國他們就會採取第一個是租稅優惠你看日本韓國都有租稅優惠\n\n18\n00:06:33,181 --> 00:06:53,090\n那租稅優惠我們今天在討論這個中小企業大概也是也是朝向租稅租稅優惠但是日本韓日韓捏他們又有另外叫做現金補貼的部分現金補貼就針對他們的正式勞工提高的薪資的部分那政府就直接給你薪資補貼\n\n19\n00:06:54,873 --> 00:07:22,202\n另外的一個補貼,未必叫做薪資補貼,它可能會用其他的方式來做補貼。那經濟部我們有考慮說為了再把勞工的薪資的提高,那以及在我們知道現在貧富差距事實上也有在擴大的趨勢。那為了這樣我們可以針對為了鼓勵企業提升員工的薪水,那我們給他直接的補貼制度嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:23,858 --> 00:07:52,709\n目前台灣是沒有就薪資的部分來直接補貼但是政府在對中小企業部分有各式各樣的一個協助包括相關的補助也好還有專案的一個協助也好等等那所以台灣的方式是比較從這個能夠提升他的中小企業的這個轉型升級從這個角度是非常多的經費在協助\n\n21\n00:07:53,089 --> 00:08:00,122\n是啦,當然我們面相這麼多行啦,所以也不會說剛剛我講的只有租稅優惠,但是我總是說的,\n\n22\n00:08:07,533 --> 00:08:22,630\n補貼制度還是有它的一個優勢在,因為第一,清澈。對企業來說,他會很清楚的知道說,我只要每天加薪水,政府會給我那樣的現金的補助,那對我的誘因就更大了。\n\n23\n00:08:23,551 --> 00:08:52,010\n他還是有他的一個優勢存在所以這部分我覺得部長可以來斟酌好最後我再用再用一分鐘以內我們第一季的GDP成長的增幅已經比原始預估的還增加了0.59個百分點那大概可以到6.51那是大概11季的這三年來的一個新高那如果這樣的一個GDP成長董文綺哇這個就很棒啦那要給我們這個\n\n24\n00:08:53,511 --> 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bicyC.\n317010\t326720\t還是很少,就是說縱使現在勞動部有開放這樣的補助,退休就退休,沒想到要做這樣,很沒關係,至少我們這個45歲以上,\n328422\t329224\t那我再問下一個\n338410\t363292\t我們知道因為這幾年來這一個企業之間的一個調薪的一個幅度那大概這幾年都有提高首先是我們政府我們政府也有帶頭包括公務員包括國運事業事實上都有在做調薪所以公部門有帶頭那企業之間也有逐步在做這樣的一個調薪但是我們看到這個調薪的幅度\n364193\t391781\t事實上差不多都是3%左右很難有比較更漂亮的一個數字說我們今年對員工的調薪有比較大幅度的提高所以事實上像在日本或者是韓國他們在面對第一提高基本工資但是提高基本工資的措施之後日本跟韓國他們就會採取第一個是租稅優惠你看日本韓國都有租稅優惠\n393181\t413090\t那租稅優惠我們今天在討論這個中小企業大概也是也是朝向租稅租稅優惠但是日本韓日韓捏他們又有另外叫做現金補貼的部分現金補貼就針對他們的正式勞工提高的薪資的部分那政府就直接給你薪資補貼\n414873\t442202\t另外的一個補貼,未必叫做薪資補貼,它可能會用其他的方式來做補貼。那經濟部我們有考慮說為了再把勞工的薪資的提高,那以及在我們知道現在貧富差距事實上也有在擴大的趨勢。那為了這樣我們可以針對為了鼓勵企業提升員工的薪水,那我們給他直接的補貼制度嗎?\n443858\t472709\t目前台灣是沒有就薪資的部分來直接補貼但是政府在對中小企業部分有各式各樣的一個協助包括相關的補助也好還有專案的一個協助也好等等那所以台灣的方式是比較從這個能夠提升他的中小企業的這個轉型升級從這個角度是非常多的經費在協助\n473089\t480122\t是啦,當然我們面相這麼多行啦,所以也不會說剛剛我講的只有租稅優惠,但是我總是說的,\n487533\t502630\t補貼制度還是有它的一個優勢在,因為第一,清澈。對企業來說,他會很清楚的知道說,我只要每天加薪水,政府會給我那樣的現金的補助,那對我的誘因就更大了。\n503551\t532010\t他還是有他的一個優勢存在所以這部分我覺得部長可以來斟酌好最後我再用再用一分鐘以內我們第一季的GDP成長的增幅已經比原始預估的還增加了0.59個百分點那大概可以到6.51那是大概11季的這三年來的一個新高那如果這樣的一個GDP成長董文綺哇這個就很棒啦那要給我們這個\n533511\t542903\t大概經濟部這邊要給個鼓勵,那我想請教一下部長,那你接下來怎麼看第二、第三、第四季,我們未來的一個發展呢?\n543820\t543840\t韓國瑜議員\n567128\t571049\tadequacy因為AI的這個部分帶動了臺灣不僅是半導體還有伺服器還有相關的供應鏈確實有帶動對出口有很好的加值那不過在其他的傳統的產業部分我們還是會努力來協助傳統產業的增長那這個部分我們都樂觀但是我們省慎來因應\n590396\t608370\t好,那我想就要加油啦。我們第一季的大概還有高於南韓跟新加坡,都高了他們將近一個百分點以上。所以我想這個第一季的表現我們台灣很突出。我們希望這個今年都可以保持這樣的一個好表現。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。\n","txt":"接下來我們請蔡議委員請做這個詢答那我們因為中場不休息那我們中午12點也不休息所以敬請各位這個行政部門所有的這個人員如果有必須要去這個頭類的那請自行謝謝來蔡議委員\n謝謝主席。那我們是不是有請我們經濟部,我們部長。好,我們再請部長。還有我們財政部的次長。我們再請財政部次長\n好 委員好部長好部長我們今天在討論針對這個中小企業那延長他們的租稅優惠那我們主要的一個重點就是在徵僱員工那針對他的一個24歲以下的青年員工或者是徵僱45歲以上中高齡的員工的話那我們就會提高這個租稅優惠從過去的130%\n\n議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三\n是。部長您的判斷是這樣嗎?對沒錯。那我再具體建議齁那如果是這樣的情況之下有沒有可能我們再增加一個級距也就是說你只要增僱65歲以上\n就是說65歲以上照理這一群人是已經退休也不用限65歲就是說已退休者那我們再把他徵雇回來工作那徵雇回來工作這主要有一個好處就是說你看他回來他退休金是可以繼續領但是他可以繼續提供工作那企業勒要必須提撥6%\n\n好,那這個就兩個部分,一個就是在台灣65歲以上還繼續在工作,這是一個。那這一次的修法是針對說,像委員講的,如果把65歲已經沒有在工作,把它回聘回來的這個部分,那我們去看統計就是65歲以上再回來工作的占比非常低。\n所以這個部分我們評估是有增加一個級距的話事實上那個效益不是很顯著那反而我們去了解的情形就是說45歲甚至到55歲這個期間如果是要被新聘或者是徵聘這個部分效益是比較高的所以部長我要問一下就是說我們現在的規定是徵聘45歲以上那他指的是說他還沒有到退休年齡\n對,都可以,只要是你這個企業你去徵聘一個都可以,那如果是已經退休的呢?也可以,都可以所以本來這個45歲以上就包括我講的65歲以上你把他徵聘回來我們一樣是有這個150的一個稅捐優惠所以我剛才說的意思是這樣那如果這樣我們再加一個級距如果你徵聘的是65歲以上\n那徵聘人是65歲以上或者是已退休的人,那可能是不是這個費用加成讓他再卓度再往上提高。那增加誘因,剛剛講的是說65歲回來工作的是少的,那可能是誘因不足嘛。如果企業可以針對這樣65歲以上又適合他們可以工作的,\n賴主席。\nbicyC.\n我知道,那大概就是一個月補助一萬五左右嘛。對,那現在看起來是65歲以上再回來的那個比例比較少,確實比較少。 bicyC.\n還是很少,就是說縱使現在勞動部有開放這樣的補助,退休就退休,沒想到要做這樣,很沒關係,至少我們這個45歲以上,\n那我再問下一個\n我們知道因為這幾年來這一個企業之間的一個調薪的一個幅度那大概這幾年都有提高首先是我們政府我們政府也有帶頭包括公務員包括國運事業事實上都有在做調薪所以公部門有帶頭那企業之間也有逐步在做這樣的一個調薪但是我們看到這個調薪的幅度\n事實上差不多都是3%左右很難有比較更漂亮的一個數字說我們今年對員工的調薪有比較大幅度的提高所以事實上像在日本或者是韓國他們在面對第一提高基本工資但是提高基本工資的措施之後日本跟韓國他們就會採取第一個是租稅優惠你看日本韓國都有租稅優惠\n那租稅優惠我們今天在討論這個中小企業大概也是也是朝向租稅租稅優惠但是日本韓日韓捏他們又有另外叫做現金補貼的部分現金補貼就針對他們的正式勞工提高的薪資的部分那政府就直接給你薪資補貼\n另外的一個補貼,未必叫做薪資補貼,它可能會用其他的方式來做補貼。那經濟部我們有考慮說為了再把勞工的薪資的提高,那以及在我們知道現在貧富差距事實上也有在擴大的趨勢。那為了這樣我們可以針對為了鼓勵企業提升員工的薪水,那我們給他直接的補貼制度嗎?\n目前台灣是沒有就薪資的部分來直接補貼但是政府在對中小企業部分有各式各樣的一個協助包括相關的補助也好還有專案的一個協助也好等等那所以台灣的方式是比較從這個能夠提升他的中小企業的這個轉型升級從這個角度是非常多的經費在協助\n是啦,當然我們面相這麼多行啦,所以也不會說剛剛我講的只有租稅優惠,但是我總是說的,\n補貼制度還是有它的一個優勢在,因為第一,清澈。對企業來說,他會很清楚的知道說,我只要每天加薪水,政府會給我那樣的現金的補助,那對我的誘因就更大了。\n他還是有他的一個優勢存在所以這部分我覺得部長可以來斟酌好最後我再用再用一分鐘以內我們第一季的GDP成長的增幅已經比原始預估的還增加了0.59個百分點那大概可以到6.51那是大概11季的這三年來的一個新高那如果這樣的一個GDP成長董文綺哇這個就很棒啦那要給我們這個\n大概經濟部這邊要給個鼓勵,那我想請教一下部長,那你接下來怎麼看第二、第三、第四季,我們未來的一個發展呢?\n韓國瑜議員\nadequacy因為AI的這個部分帶動了臺灣不僅是半導體還有伺服器還有相關的供應鏈確實有帶動對出口有很好的加值那不過在其他的傳統的產業部分我們還是會努力來協助傳統產業的增長那這個部分我們都樂觀但是我們省慎來因應\n好,那我想就要加油啦。我們第一季的大概還有高於南韓跟新加坡,都高了他們將近一個百分點以上。所以我想這個第一季的表現我們台灣很突出。我們希望這個今年都可以保持這樣的一個好表現。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:19.679\n接下來我們請蔡議委員請做這個詢答那我們因為中場不休息那我們中午12點也不休息所以敬請各位這個行政部門所有的這個人員如果有必須要去這個頭類的那請自行謝謝來蔡議委員\n\n00:27.821 --> 00:36.240\n謝謝主席。那我們是不是有請我們經濟部,我們部長。好,我們再請部長。還有我們財政部的次長。我們再請財政部次長\n\n00:38.800 --> 01:04.334\n好委員好部長好部長我們今天在討論針對這個中小企業那延長他們的租稅優惠那我們主要的一個重點就是在徵僱員工那針對他的一個24歲以下的青年員工或者是徵僱45歲以上中高齡的員工的話那我們就會提高這個租稅優惠從過去的130%\n\n01:31.587 --> 01:52.036\n議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第12條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三十六條之二條文修正草案：立法院議員柯志恩等19人擬具:「中小企業發展條例第三\n\n02:00.293 --> 02:11.902\n是。部長您的判斷是這樣嗎?對沒錯。那我再具體建議齁那如果是這樣的情況之下有沒有可能我們再增加一個級距也就是說你只要增僱65歲以上\n\n02:15.237 --> 02:36.837\n就是說65歲以上照理這一群人是已經退休也不用限65歲就是說已退休者那我們再把他徵雇回來工作那徵雇回來工作這主要有一個好處就是說你看他回來他退休金是可以繼續領但是他可以繼續提供工作那企業勒要必須提撥6%\n\n03:03.510 --> 03:24.873\n好,那這個就兩個部分,一個就是在台灣65歲以上還繼續在工作,這是一個。那這一次的修法是針對說,像委員講的,如果把65歲已經沒有在工作,把它回聘回來的這個部分,那我們去看統計就是65歲以上再回來工作的占比非常低。\n\n03:25.673 --> 03:54.429\n所以這個部分我們評估是有增加一個級距的話事實上那個效益不是很顯著那反而我們去了解的情形就是說45歲甚至到55歲這個期間如果是要被新聘或者是徵聘這個部分效益是比較高的所以部長我要問一下就是說我們現在的規定是徵聘45歲以上那他指的是說他還沒有到退休年齡\n\n03:55.297 --> 04:19.596\n對,都可以,只要是你這個企業你去徵聘一個都可以,那如果是已經退休的呢?也可以,都可以所以本來這個45歲以上就包括我講的65歲以上你把他徵聘回來我們一樣是有這個150的一個稅捐優惠所以我剛才說的意思是這樣那如果這樣我們再加一個級距如果你徵聘的是65歲以上\n\n04:21.921 --> 04:43.891\n那徵聘人是65歲以上或者是已退休的人,那可能是不是這個費用加成讓他再卓度再往上提高。那增加誘因,剛剛講的是說65歲回來工作的是少的,那可能是誘因不足嘛。如果企業可以針對這樣65歲以上又適合他們可以工作的,\n\n04:44.751 --> 04:44.851\n賴主席。\n\n05:07.259 --> 05:07.800\nbicyC.\n\n05:07.800 --> 05:17.010\n我知道,那大概就是一個月補助一萬五左右嘛。對,那現在看起來是65歲以上再回來的那個比例比較少,確實比較少。bicyC.\n\n05:17.010 --> 05:26.720\n還是很少,就是說縱使現在勞動部有開放這樣的補助,退休就退休,沒想到要做這樣,很沒關係,至少我們這個45歲以上,\n\n05:28.422 --> 05:29.224\n那我再問下一個\n\n05:38.410 --> 06:03.292\n我們知道因為這幾年來這一個企業之間的一個調薪的一個幅度那大概這幾年都有提高首先是我們政府我們政府也有帶頭包括公務員包括國運事業事實上都有在做調薪所以公部門有帶頭那企業之間也有逐步在做這樣的一個調薪但是我們看到這個調薪的幅度\n\n06:04.193 --> 06:31.781\n事實上差不多都是3%左右很難有比較更漂亮的一個數字說我們今年對員工的調薪有比較大幅度的提高所以事實上像在日本或者是韓國他們在面對第一提高基本工資但是提高基本工資的措施之後日本跟韓國他們就會採取第一個是租稅優惠你看日本韓國都有租稅優惠\n\n06:33.181 --> 06:53.090\n那租稅優惠我們今天在討論這個中小企業大概也是也是朝向租稅租稅優惠但是日本韓日韓捏他們又有另外叫做現金補貼的部分現金補貼就針對他們的正式勞工提高的薪資的部分那政府就直接給你薪資補貼\n\n06:54.873 --> 07:22.202\n另外的一個補貼,未必叫做薪資補貼,它可能會用其他的方式來做補貼。那經濟部我們有考慮說為了再把勞工的薪資的提高,那以及在我們知道現在貧富差距事實上也有在擴大的趨勢。那為了這樣我們可以針對為了鼓勵企業提升員工的薪水,那我們給他直接的補貼制度嗎?\n\n07:23.858 --> 07:52.709\n目前台灣是沒有就薪資的部分來直接補貼但是政府在對中小企業部分有各式各樣的一個協助包括相關的補助也好還有專案的一個協助也好等等那所以台灣的方式是比較從這個能夠提升他的中小企業的這個轉型升級從這個角度是非常多的經費在協助\n\n07:53.089 --> 08:00.122\n是啦,當然我們面相這麼多行啦,所以也不會說剛剛我講的只有租稅優惠,但是我總是說的,\n\n08:07.533 --> 08:22.630\n補貼制度還是有它的一個優勢在,因為第一,清澈。對企業來說,他會很清楚的知道說,我只要每天加薪水,政府會給我那樣的現金的補助,那對我的誘因就更大了。\n\n08:23.551 --> 08:52.010\n他還是有他的一個優勢存在所以這部分我覺得部長可以來斟酌好最後我再用再用一分鐘以內我們第一季的GDP成長的增幅已經比原始預估的還增加了0.59個百分點那大概可以到6.51那是大概11季的這三年來的一個新高那如果這樣的一個GDP成長董文綺哇這個就很棒啦那要給我們這個\n\n08:53.511 --> 09:02.903\n大概經濟部這邊要給個鼓勵,那我想請教一下部長,那你接下來怎麼看第二、第三、第四季,我們未來的一個發展呢?\n\n09:03.820 --> 09:03.840\n韓國瑜議員\n\n09:27.128 --> 09:31.049\nadequacy因為AI的這個部分帶動了臺灣不僅是半導體還有伺服器還有相關的供應鏈確實有帶動對出口有很好的加值那不過在其他的傳統的產業部分我們還是會努力來協助傳統產業的增長那這個部分我們都樂觀但是我們省慎來因應\n\n09:50.396 --> 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