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00:01:36,444\n我們在此要花一點點時間向很多倡議者甚至用過打官司的方式來爭取這個姓名條例的通過我們在此對他們致敬有非常多那其實我有一點點小遺憾因為這個羅馬拼音的部分我沒有辦法精準的來發音這也跟我們待會的題目有關但不管怎麼樣我們把它列出來像這些這個\n\n6\n00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:52,930\n單列傳統姓名的原住民朋友致敬,他們用法律的方式爭取自己的權益,才有了今天姓名條例的修正。好,那問題來了,這個修法過後勢必有更多的原住民朋友會用羅馬拼音來單列他的這個姓名,那部長這個怎麼來念?\n\n7\n00:01:55,660 --> 00:02:21,046\n委員跟你報告這個就是我剛剛也有回答其他委員這個我們大家必須一起共同的來學習所以未來包括在行政系統裡面或者是包括在我們所有的大社會的平台裡面這個其實我覺得這個是非常重要的一步因為這個對於促進族群之間的彼此認識跟了解包括文化跟習俗有非常正面的一個這個\n\n8\n00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:26,476\n這位後面的這個救援已經出現了來我們請圓明會副主委\n\n9\n00:02:27,884 --> 00:02:57,041\n這就是學習的機會啦本期也要學習一下要不然我也唸不清楚不太好意思謝謝委員這是我的名字部長搞了方案搞了方案好謝謝副主委喔這個就是我今天要提這個質詢的蠻重要的一個問題今天我想修法應該會很順利來通過但我希望說內政部就不要為得不足也就是說修法通過之後我們應該也有一點點推廣的義務讓更多的一般人我想要去了解想要去學習想要精準的發音的時候能有一個好的平台\n\n10\n00:02:57,481 --> 00:03:05,335\n那以部長、副政司長目前的了解,如果我要精準的,我現在只能看到文字,我想要精準的讀出他的發音的時候,我應該上哪裡去查詢呢?\n\n11\n00:03:07,043 --> 00:03:28,370\n委員我跟您報告現在我們原民會他們第一個當然有原住民的書寫系統第二個是他們也針對這些名稱或者說包括這個怎麼樣念或者因為有不同的族語有16族那他們有一個比如說這個比如說點進去會有語音會有聲音出來現在這個平台位置在哪裡這個請原民會來解說明一下\n\n12\n00:03:31,691 --> 00:03:50,797\n各委員報告其實現在我們有一個主委的平台叫做主委一樂園主委一樂園這部分是有那不過我們在今年也會跟研議會來推動這個原住民族人名譜那我們這個名譜就是有原住民族的各樣的名字那包括我們現在請我們的語推組織能夠來錄音像剛剛我念就是讓這個音標準的音可以錄進去\n\n13\n00:03:56,599 --> 00:04:10,672\n未來我們也會建置這個原住民傳統姓名的平臺讓大社會可以在這個平臺上去點選有姓名條例通過之後就把這個精準發音的這個平臺建立起來而且他有一定的義達性他不要再藏在\n\n14\n00:04:11,733 --> 00:04:36,712\n官方網站的某一個角落一般人找不到就比較可惜這應該被彰顯這是本席的想法本席的名字叫劉許廷中間常常被他唸錯所以我很多時候可以感同身受所以說這部分我們希望內政部就是把這個政策把它貫徹完畢好謝謝副主委最後一點點時間這個我要借今天剛好在討論姓名難不免也要跟互證有一點關係所以這件事情我要請互證司長來做一下回答\n\n15\n00:04:38,093 --> 00:04:47,063\n本期過去都有發現你們都都會這個出這個報告然後還做這個國人的姓名統計這個國人諜制的排行榜的冠軍是誰?司長\n\n16\n00:04:51,748 --> 00:05:15,894\n我們是今年有特別針對疊字做一個統計啦那每年以前是每兩年做一次的那個姓名統計分析這個統計當然很有意思啦也很有趣冰冰嘛我記得男生第一名排名是叫冰冰但看到這個事情本席從基層出生啦我不免有一點點這個為副政司捏一把冷汗為什麼呢因為本席的選區歸山啦是一個標準的生活圈非常分散的地方\n\n17\n00:05:16,414 --> 00:05:36,573\n所以我們很多不同的生活圈其實中間要這個開車週車勞頓15分鐘20分鐘的可能性都有所以大家要到龜山戶政事務所去辦公的時候其實非常麻煩的一件事所以本期在做議員的時候很多人希望說我們不同的生活圈可以有越來越多的戶政變名窗口可是戶政變名窗口在推動的時候我們在地方聽到了反應第二叫戶政基層人力不足\n\n18\n00:05:37,293 --> 00:06:04,671\n二、設備不足。我現在林口台地上有很多新簽入的我為了要辦簽入要拿身份證簽戶籍我要跑到山下的護證事務所我上面要開窗口他說即便有開窗口他因為沒有設備所以沒有辦法印發身份證所以他其實窗口的這個服務的效應是打了很大的折扣的我看到護證中央你有這個人力有這個資源這個時間去調查名字疊字誰最多可是地方的這些問題沒有被突兀我覺得是有點可惜的\n\n19\n00:06:05,151 --> 00:06:30,689\n是不是請內政部做一下盤點跟檢討就是說地方的互證的資源我們怎麼樣從中間來給予多一點的這個資源讓地方互證的辨明可以更完善委員我跟您報告不是我們互證私人很多是因為這個其實從我們的電腦系統裡面就可以去做一些調查跟分析那第二個互證系統在地方的話是屬於地方政府的一個權責要設幾個互證事務所這個縣市政府自己就可以決定\n\n20\n00:06:31,429 --> 00:06:46,247\n對他現在是有窗口但相對來講是人力那我覺得人力相對來講好調度因為現在資訊化的時代很多東西可以從資訊化的界面去整合但設備的部分這我們希望中央可以提供一定的資源設備應該是沒有問題人力的部分縣市政府自己可以去調配\n\n21\n00:06:46,527 --> 00:06:47,948\n審查委員鄭天財SraKacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n349\t8118\t主席部長和副政司長有請有請部長跟代理副政司長謝謝\n14804\t31361\t有關於本今天的會議討論姓名條例的修法,針對原住民單列傳統姓名或名字,內政部表示,除了法律用字上代斟酌之外,其餘部分予以尊重,應該是沒有爭議性,我們希望盡快來做通過。\n32282\t49117\t那麼修法的重點在於確認原住民可以用原住民的文字目前是用羅馬拼音的方式來呈現單列所謂的傳統姓名或名字也就是說不強制就一定要漢字跟這個傳統姓名一起的一個方式那按照憲法條文第10條憲法法庭的判決意旨\n50458\t71843\t傳統姓名是原住民族彰顯出群認同的特別權利,那麼原住民語言發展法也明定,原住民族語言現在是我們的國家語言,數學系統羅馬拼音是原住民族的文字,所以這個單列羅馬拼音為傳統姓名對於原民的姓名權跟人格權以及國家語言平等權具有高度的相關性,而且有絕對的這個正當性。\n75823\t96444\t我們在此要花一點點時間向很多倡議者甚至用過打官司的方式來爭取這個姓名條例的通過我們在此對他們致敬有非常多那其實我有一點點小遺憾因為這個羅馬拼音的部分我沒有辦法精準的來發音這也跟我們待會的題目有關但不管怎麼樣我們把它列出來像這些這個\n98306\t112930\t單列傳統姓名的原住民朋友致敬,他們用法律的方式爭取自己的權益,才有了今天姓名條例的修正。好,那問題來了,這個修法過後勢必有更多的原住民朋友會用羅馬拼音來單列他的這個姓名,那部長這個怎麼來念?\n115660\t141046\t委員跟你報告這個就是我剛剛也有回答其他委員這個我們大家必須一起共同的來學習所以未來包括在行政系統裡面或者是包括在我們所有的大社會的平台裡面這個其實我覺得這個是非常重要的一步因為這個對於促進族群之間的彼此認識跟了解包括文化跟習俗有非常正面的一個這個\n142667\t146476\t這位後面的這個救援已經出現了來我們請圓明會副主委\n147884\t177041\t這就是學習的機會啦本期也要學習一下要不然我也唸不清楚不太好意思謝謝委員這是我的名字部長搞了方案搞了方案好謝謝副主委喔這個就是我今天要提這個質詢的蠻重要的一個問題今天我想修法應該會很順利來通過但我希望說內政部就不要為得不足也就是說修法通過之後我們應該也有一點點推廣的義務讓更多的一般人我想要去了解想要去學習想要精準的發音的時候能有一個好的平台\n177481\t185335\t那以部長、副政司長目前的了解,如果我要精準的,我現在只能看到文字,我想要精準的讀出他的發音的時候,我應該上哪裡去查詢呢?\n187043\t208370\t委員我跟您報告現在我們原民會他們第一個當然有原住民的書寫系統第二個是他們也針對這些名稱或者說包括這個怎麼樣念或者因為有不同的族語有16族那他們有一個比如說這個比如說點進去會有語音會有聲音出來現在這個平台位置在哪裡這個請原民會來解說明一下\n211691\t230797\t各委員報告其實現在我們有一個主委的平台叫做主委一樂園主委一樂園這部分是有那不過我們在今年也會跟研議會來推動這個原住民族人名譜那我們這個名譜就是有原住民族的各樣的名字那包括我們現在請我們的語推組織能夠來錄音像剛剛我念就是讓這個音標準的音可以錄進去\n236599\t250672\t未來我們也會建置這個原住民傳統姓名的平臺讓大社會可以在這個平臺上去點選有姓名條例通過之後就把這個精準發音的這個平臺建立起來而且他有一定的義達性他不要再藏在\n251733\t276712\t官方網站的某一個角落一般人找不到就比較可惜這應該被彰顯這是本席的想法本席的名字叫劉許廷中間常常被他唸錯所以我很多時候可以感同身受所以說這部分我們希望內政部就是把這個政策把它貫徹完畢好謝謝副主委最後一點點時間這個我要借今天剛好在討論姓名難不免也要跟互證有一點關係所以這件事情我要請互證司長來做一下回答\n278093\t287063\t本期過去都有發現你們都都會這個出這個報告然後還做這個國人的姓名統計這個國人諜制的排行榜的冠軍是誰?司長\n291748\t315894\t我們是今年有特別針對疊字做一個統計啦那每年以前是每兩年做一次的那個姓名統計分析這個統計當然很有意思啦也很有趣冰冰嘛我記得男生第一名排名是叫冰冰但看到這個事情本席從基層出生啦我不免有一點點這個為副政司捏一把冷汗為什麼呢因為本席的選區歸山啦是一個標準的生活圈非常分散的地方\n316414\t336573\t所以我們很多不同的生活圈其實中間要這個開車週車勞頓15分鐘20分鐘的可能性都有所以大家要到龜山戶政事務所去辦公的時候其實非常麻煩的一件事所以本期在做議員的時候很多人希望說我們不同的生活圈可以有越來越多的戶政變名窗口可是戶政變名窗口在推動的時候我們在地方聽到了反應第二叫戶政基層人力不足\n337293\t364671\t二、設備不足。我現在林口台地上有很多新簽入的我為了要辦簽入要拿身份證簽戶籍我要跑到山下的護證事務所我上面要開窗口他說即便有開窗口他因為沒有設備所以沒有辦法印發身份證所以他其實窗口的這個服務的效應是打了很大的折扣的我看到護證中央你有這個人力有這個資源這個時間去調查名字疊字誰最多可是地方的這些問題沒有被突兀我覺得是有點可惜的\n365151\t390689\t是不是請內政部做一下盤點跟檢討就是說地方的互證的資源我們怎麼樣從中間來給予多一點的這個資源讓地方互證的辨明可以更完善委員我跟您報告不是我們互證私人很多是因為這個其實從我們的電腦系統裡面就可以去做一些調查跟分析那第二個互證系統在地方的話是屬於地方政府的一個權責要設幾個互證事務所這個縣市政府自己就可以決定\n391429\t406247\t對他現在是有窗口但相對來講是人力那我覺得人力相對來講好調度因為現在資訊化的時代很多東西可以從資訊化的界面去整合但設備的部分這我們希望中央可以提供一定的資源設備應該是沒有問題人力的部分縣市政府自己可以去調配\n406527\t407948\t審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n","txt":"主席部長和副政司長有請有請部長跟代理副政司長謝謝\n有關於本今天的會議討論姓名條例的修法,針對原住民單列傳統姓名或名字,內政部表示,除了法律用字上代斟酌之外,其餘部分予以尊重,應該是沒有爭議性,我們希望盡快來做通過。\n那麼修法的重點在於確認原住民可以用原住民的文字目前是用羅馬拼音的方式來呈現單列所謂的傳統姓名或名字也就是說不強制就一定要漢字跟這個傳統姓名一起的一個方式那按照憲法條文第10條憲法法庭的判決意旨\n傳統姓名是原住民族彰顯出群認同的特別權利,那麼原住民語言發展法也明定,原住民族語言現在是我們的國家語言,數學系統羅馬拼音是原住民族的文字,所以這個單列羅馬拼音為傳統姓名對於原民的姓名權跟人格權以及國家語言平等權具有高度的相關性,而且有絕對的這個正當性。\n我們在此要花一點點時間向很多倡議者甚至用過打官司的方式來爭取這個姓名條例的通過我們在此對他們致敬有非常多那其實我有一點點小遺憾因為這個羅馬拼音的部分我沒有辦法精準的來發音這也跟我們待會的題目有關但不管怎麼樣我們把它列出來像這些這個\n單列傳統姓名的原住民朋友致敬,他們用法律的方式爭取自己的權益,才有了今天姓名條例的修正。好,那問題來了,這個修法過後勢必有更多的原住民朋友會用羅馬拼音來單列他的這個姓名,那部長這個怎麼來念?\n委員跟你報告這個就是我剛剛也有回答其他委員這個我們大家必須一起共同的來學習所以未來包括在行政系統裡面或者是包括在我們所有的大社會的平台裡面這個其實我覺得這個是非常重要的一步因為這個對於促進族群之間的彼此認識跟了解包括文化跟習俗有非常正面的一個這個\n這位後面的這個救援已經出現了來我們請圓明會副主委\n這就是學習的機會啦本期也要學習一下要不然我也唸不清楚不太好意思謝謝委員這是我的名字部長搞了方案搞了方案好謝謝副主委喔這個就是我今天要提這個質詢的蠻重要的一個問題今天我想修法應該會很順利來通過但我希望說內政部就不要為得不足也就是說修法通過之後我們應該也有一點點推廣的義務讓更多的一般人我想要去了解想要去學習想要精準的發音的時候能有一個好的平台\n那以部長、副政司長目前的了解,如果我要精準的,我現在只能看到文字,我想要精準的讀出他的發音的時候,我應該上哪裡去查詢呢?\n委員我跟您報告現在我們原民會他們第一個當然有原住民的書寫系統第二個是他們也針對這些名稱或者說包括這個怎麼樣念或者因為有不同的族語有16族那他們有一個比如說這個比如說點進去會有語音會有聲音出來現在這個平台位置在哪裡這個請原民會來解說明一下\n各委員報告其實現在我們有一個主委的平台叫做主委一樂園主委一樂園這部分是有那不過我們在今年也會跟研議會來推動這個原住民族人名譜那我們這個名譜就是有原住民族的各樣的名字那包括我們現在請我們的語推組織能夠來錄音像剛剛我念就是讓這個音標準的音可以錄進去\n未來我們也會建置這個原住民傳統姓名的平臺讓大社會可以在這個平臺上去點選有姓名條例通過之後就把這個精準發音的這個平臺建立起來而且他有一定的義達性他不要再藏在\n官方網站的某一個角落一般人找不到就比較可惜這應該被彰顯這是本席的想法本席的名字叫劉許廷中間常常被他唸錯所以我很多時候可以感同身受所以說這部分我們希望內政部就是把這個政策把它貫徹完畢好謝謝副主委最後一點點時間這個我要借今天剛好在討論姓名難不免也要跟互證有一點關係所以這件事情我要請互證司長來做一下回答\n本期過去都有發現你們都都會這個出這個報告然後還做這個國人的姓名統計這個國人諜制的排行榜的冠軍是誰?司長\n我們是今年有特別針對疊字做一個統計啦那每年以前是每兩年做一次的那個姓名統計分析這個統計當然很有意思啦也很有趣冰冰嘛我記得男生第一名排名是叫冰冰但看到這個事情本席從基層出生啦我不免有一點點這個為副政司捏一把冷汗為什麼呢因為本席的選區歸山啦是一個標準的生活圈非常分散的地方\n所以我們很多不同的生活圈其實中間要這個開車週車勞頓15分鐘20分鐘的可能性都有所以大家要到龜山戶政事務所去辦公的時候其實非常麻煩的一件事所以本期在做議員的時候很多人希望說我們不同的生活圈可以有越來越多的戶政變名窗口可是戶政變名窗口在推動的時候我們在地方聽到了反應第二叫戶政基層人力不足\n二、設備不足。我現在林口台地上有很多新簽入的我為了要辦簽入要拿身份證簽戶籍我要跑到山下的護證事務所我上面要開窗口他說即便有開窗口他因為沒有設備所以沒有辦法印發身份證所以他其實窗口的這個服務的效應是打了很大的折扣的我看到護證中央你有這個人力有這個資源這個時間去調查名字疊字誰最多可是地方的這些問題沒有被突兀我覺得是有點可惜的\n是不是請內政部做一下盤點跟檢討就是說地方的互證的資源我們怎麼樣從中間來給予多一點的這個資源讓地方互證的辨明可以更完善委員我跟您報告不是我們互證私人很多是因為這個其實從我們的電腦系統裡面就可以去做一些調查跟分析那第二個互證系統在地方的話是屬於地方政府的一個權責要設幾個互證事務所這個縣市政府自己就可以決定\n對他現在是有窗口但相對來講是人力那我覺得人力相對來講好調度因為現在資訊化的時代很多東西可以從資訊化的界面去整合但設備的部分這我們希望中央可以提供一定的資源設備應該是沒有問題人力的部分縣市政府自己可以去調配\n審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等21人擬具:「姓名條例第二條及第\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.349 --> 00:08.118\n主席部長和副政司長有請有請部長跟代理副政司長謝謝\n\n00:14.804 --> 00:31.361\n有關於本今天的會議討論姓名條例的修法,針對原住民單列傳統姓名或名字,內政部表示,除了法律用字上代斟酌之外,其餘部分予以尊重,應該是沒有爭議性,我們希望盡快來做通過。\n\n00:32.282 --> 00:49.117\n那麼修法的重點在於確認原住民可以用原住民的文字目前是用羅馬拼音的方式來呈現單列所謂的傳統姓名或名字也就是說不強制就一定要漢字跟這個傳統姓名一起的一個方式那按照憲法條文第10條憲法法庭的判決意旨\n\n00:50.458 --> 01:11.843\n傳統姓名是原住民族彰顯出群認同的特別權利,那麼原住民語言發展法也明定,原住民族語言現在是我們的國家語言,數學系統羅馬拼音是原住民族的文字,所以這個單列羅馬拼音為傳統姓名對於原民的姓名權跟人格權以及國家語言平等權具有高度的相關性,而且有絕對的這個正當性。\n\n01:15.823 --> 01:36.444\n我們在此要花一點點時間向很多倡議者甚至用過打官司的方式來爭取這個姓名條例的通過我們在此對他們致敬有非常多那其實我有一點點小遺憾因為這個羅馬拼音的部分我沒有辦法精準的來發音這也跟我們待會的題目有關但不管怎麼樣我們把它列出來像這些這個\n\n01:38.306 --> 01:52.930\n單列傳統姓名的原住民朋友致敬,他們用法律的方式爭取自己的權益,才有了今天姓名條例的修正。好,那問題來了,這個修法過後勢必有更多的原住民朋友會用羅馬拼音來單列他的這個姓名,那部長這個怎麼來念?\n\n01:55.660 --> 02:21.046\n委員跟你報告這個就是我剛剛也有回答其他委員這個我們大家必須一起共同的來學習所以未來包括在行政系統裡面或者是包括在我們所有的大社會的平台裡面這個其實我覺得這個是非常重要的一步因為這個對於促進族群之間的彼此認識跟了解包括文化跟習俗有非常正面的一個這個\n\n02:22.667 --> 02:26.476\n這位後面的這個救援已經出現了來我們請圓明會副主委\n\n02:27.884 --> 02:57.041\n這就是學習的機會啦本期也要學習一下要不然我也唸不清楚不太好意思謝謝委員這是我的名字部長搞了方案搞了方案好謝謝副主委喔這個就是我今天要提這個質詢的蠻重要的一個問題今天我想修法應該會很順利來通過但我希望說內政部就不要為得不足也就是說修法通過之後我們應該也有一點點推廣的義務讓更多的一般人我想要去了解想要去學習想要精準的發音的時候能有一個好的平台\n\n02:57.481 --> 03:05.335\n那以部長、副政司長目前的了解,如果我要精準的,我現在只能看到文字,我想要精準的讀出他的發音的時候,我應該上哪裡去查詢呢?\n\n03:07.043 --> 03:28.370\n委員我跟您報告現在我們原民會他們第一個當然有原住民的書寫系統第二個是他們也針對這些名稱或者說包括這個怎麼樣念或者因為有不同的族語有16族那他們有一個比如說這個比如說點進去會有語音會有聲音出來現在這個平台位置在哪裡這個請原民會來解說明一下\n\n03:31.691 --> 03:50.797\n各委員報告其實現在我們有一個主委的平台叫做主委一樂園主委一樂園這部分是有那不過我們在今年也會跟研議會來推動這個原住民族人名譜那我們這個名譜就是有原住民族的各樣的名字那包括我們現在請我們的語推組織能夠來錄音像剛剛我念就是讓這個音標準的音可以錄進去\n\n03:56.599 --> 04:10.672\n未來我們也會建置這個原住民傳統姓名的平臺讓大社會可以在這個平臺上去點選有姓名條例通過之後就把這個精準發音的這個平臺建立起來而且他有一定的義達性他不要再藏在\n\n04:11.733 --> 04:36.712\n官方網站的某一個角落一般人找不到就比較可惜這應該被彰顯這是本席的想法本席的名字叫劉許廷中間常常被他唸錯所以我很多時候可以感同身受所以說這部分我們希望內政部就是把這個政策把它貫徹完畢好謝謝副主委最後一點點時間這個我要借今天剛好在討論姓名難不免也要跟互證有一點關係所以這件事情我要請互證司長來做一下回答\n\n04:38.093 --> 04:47.063\n本期過去都有發現你們都都會這個出這個報告然後還做這個國人的姓名統計這個國人諜制的排行榜的冠軍是誰?司長\n\n04:51.748 --> 05:15.894\n我們是今年有特別針對疊字做一個統計啦那每年以前是每兩年做一次的那個姓名統計分析這個統計當然很有意思啦也很有趣冰冰嘛我記得男生第一名排名是叫冰冰但看到這個事情本席從基層出生啦我不免有一點點這個為副政司捏一把冷汗為什麼呢因為本席的選區歸山啦是一個標準的生活圈非常分散的地方\n\n05:16.414 --> 05:36.573\n所以我們很多不同的生活圈其實中間要這個開車週車勞頓15分鐘20分鐘的可能性都有所以大家要到龜山戶政事務所去辦公的時候其實非常麻煩的一件事所以本期在做議員的時候很多人希望說我們不同的生活圈可以有越來越多的戶政變名窗口可是戶政變名窗口在推動的時候我們在地方聽到了反應第二叫戶政基層人力不足\n\n05:37.293 --> 06:04.671\n二、設備不足。我現在林口台地上有很多新簽入的我為了要辦簽入要拿身份證簽戶籍我要跑到山下的護證事務所我上面要開窗口他說即便有開窗口他因為沒有設備所以沒有辦法印發身份證所以他其實窗口的這個服務的效應是打了很大的折扣的我看到護證中央你有這個人力有這個資源這個時間去調查名字疊字誰最多可是地方的這些問題沒有被突兀我覺得是有點可惜的\n\n06:05.151 --> 06:30.689\n是不是請內政部做一下盤點跟檢討就是說地方的互證的資源我們怎麼樣從中間來給予多一點的這個資源讓地方互證的辨明可以更完善委員我跟您報告不是我們互證私人很多是因為這個其實從我們的電腦系統裡面就可以去做一些調查跟分析那第二個互證系統在地方的話是屬於地方政府的一個權責要設幾個互證事務所這個縣市政府自己就可以決定\n\n06:31.429 --> 06:46.247\n對他現在是有窗口但相對來講是人力那我覺得人力相對來講好調度因為現在資訊化的時代很多東西可以從資訊化的界面去整合但設備的部分這我們希望中央可以提供一定的資源設備應該是沒有問題人力的部分縣市政府自己可以去調配\n\n06:46.527 --> 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