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00:00:39,101\n委員你好主委好今天本席非常榮幸有機會站在這邊來請教主委一些問題首先要給主委非常大的肯定因為主委過去在新北市也是過去臺北縣的時間擔任我們公務局的局長以及臺北縣的副縣長對於中和的這個過去水患的問題幫忙很大作為南山子分紅跟瓦窯溝分紅\n\n3\n00:00:39,701 --> 00:00:39,721\n韓國瑜\n\n4\n00:00:55,313 --> 00:01:12,540\n主委的部分那今天本席到這邊來特別是要來跟主委求援因為在0403大地震之後我們那個新北有一個非常重要的環狀線中和段現在在中和到板橋這一個區域現在是停時的一個部分那根據這個捷運局這邊的表達\n\n5\n00:01:14,861 --> 00:01:14,881\n張智倫\n\n6\n00:01:39,379 --> 00:01:56,327\n首先要謝謝張委員的支持跟指教,跟肯定,非常感謝。過去長期在臺北縣的服務,收到地方的支持,非常一併的感謝。\n\n7\n00:01:59,068 --> 00:02:11,345\n有那樣的一個成果當然都是中央地方以及縣政府大家一起包括我們議員當時陳議員等等一起的努力的一個結果\n\n8\n00:02:13,107 --> 00:02:27,205\n對於這個捷運的工程的狀況我們準備在7號我會請我們的副主委邀請專家學者到現場\n\n9\n00:02:28,767 --> 00:02:57,062\n如果委員有空也歡迎一起來了解我們想去了解一下到底為什麼會發生這種狀況這裡面有兩個可能的因素一個雖然是都是地震造成但是呢那是不是已經達到這種設計的規模以上而損壞還是說他的設計施工有沒有哪裡的一個地方沒有注意到\n\n10\n00:02:57,842 --> 00:03:13,910\n那麼這兩個狀況跟未來的修復會有不同的做法如果是說還沒有達到那麼而發生那應該要檢討怎麼樣來再導正補強也好不要讓它再發生\n\n11\n00:03:15,211 --> 00:03:35,867\n真的不好意思非常感謝主委的分享那簡單跟主委報告一下他主要就是分成兩個比較重要的這個問題那我從新聞上得知第一個就是屬於鋼樑錯位的一個部分第二就是因為鋼樑錯位導致鐵軌有斷裂的情況那現在很多的這個不管是專家學者或者是我舉兩個\n\n12\n00:03:37,488 --> 00:04:04,193\n這個圖片先給主委看一下,舉兩個最近新聞上有報的一個是這個臺北市土木基施工會這個莊理事長有提到說用這個施工的方式以及新北市捷運局的旅局長都有提到說用千斤頂的方式把這個東西給復位那可不可以請這個主委稍微跟我們分享一下就這個捷運在施工或是後續復原的方式這個千斤頂扮演什麼樣的一個角色\n\n13\n00:04:05,356 --> 00:04:21,441\n我覺得要怎麼樣去復原回來,要看他造成的原因是怎麼樣,不是只有給他喬頓了就好,如果是他原來的設計或施工有需要去保證的部分,那個部分必須先解決。\n\n14\n00:04:22,581 --> 00:04:39,095\n因為那個地方他是蠻高的一個狀況他必須要非常的注意安全的問題那麼趁著現在一個狀況發生一併檢討一下應該要從根本設計就要檢討施工檢討跟地震的發生是怎麼樣會這樣\n\n15\n00:04:41,056 --> 00:05:07,661\n謝謝主委的分享那也感謝主委剛有提出來說工程會這邊也會到現場來協助我們這個捷運局的部分來處理那最後實際的關係要請主委協助因為我這邊也有跟捷運局這邊來做聯繫他說這次因為造成的損害導致這個損失的經費蠻大的將近到12億的經費那地方這邊是有想要我來協助說是不是可以請工程會的部分來協助補貼一些\n\n16\n00:05:10,241 --> 00:05:35,450\n一面說讓這個東西修復可以快速一點或是說他們可能地方的經費會不足的有沒有,主委有沒有辦法稍微協助一下經費的補貼特別跟委員說明一下當然天然災害有天然災害的這一個我們的救助的一些包括地方的準備災害準備金不夠中央怎麼樣來協助這個也他的機制在但我剛剛講到如果檢討結果\n\n17\n00:05:37,031 --> 00:05:53,487\n他如果是跟原設計跟施工那麼有需要檢討的地方可能會有合約責任的問題那如果這個部分就依照合約的規定去處理如果不是的話是天然災害當然就有災害整備金的處理的機制來協助\n\n18\n00:05:54,912 --> 00:06:14,737\n好謝謝主委再次感謝您就是我認為中央地方一起協力努力把這件事情處理好讓所有我們這個不管是綜合板橋有需要用到環障結線綜合段這些鄉親可以盡早回復這個回歸正常的生活那今天再次感謝主委很榮幸在這邊跟您請議謝謝好謝謝我們會來瞭解協助謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2683\t8613\t主席好、各位官員、各位委員、大家早安。是不是有請我們工程會的主委。請吾主委。\n15868\t39101\t委員你好主委好今天本席非常榮幸有機會站在這邊來請教主委一些問題首先要給主委非常大的肯定因為主委過去在新北市也是過去臺北縣的時間擔任我們公務局的局長以及臺北縣的副縣長對於中和的這個過去水患的問題幫忙很大作為南山子分紅跟瓦窯溝分紅\n39701\t39721\t韓國瑜\n55313\t72540\t主委的部分那今天本席到這邊來特別是要來跟主委求援因為在0403大地震之後我們那個新北有一個非常重要的環狀線中和段現在在中和到板橋這一個區域現在是停時的一個部分那根據這個捷運局這邊的表達\n74861\t74881\t張智倫\n99379\t116327\t首先要謝謝張委員的支持跟指教,跟肯定,非常感謝。過去長期在臺北縣的服務,收到地方的支持,非常一併的感謝。\n119068\t131345\t有那樣的一個成果當然都是中央地方以及縣政府大家一起包括我們議員當時陳議員等等一起的努力的一個結果\n133107\t147205\t對於這個捷運的工程的狀況我們準備在7號我會請我們的副主委邀請專家學者到現場\n148767\t177062\t如果委員有空也歡迎一起來了解我們想去了解一下到底為什麼會發生這種狀況這裡面有兩個可能的因素一個雖然是都是地震造成但是呢那是不是已經達到這種設計的規模以上而損壞還是說他的設計施工有沒有哪裡的一個地方沒有注意到\n177842\t193910\t那麼這兩個狀況跟未來的修復會有不同的做法如果是說還沒有達到那麼而發生那應該要檢討怎麼樣來再導正補強也好不要讓它再發生\n195211\t215867\t真的不好意思非常感謝主委的分享那簡單跟主委報告一下他主要就是分成兩個比較重要的這個問題那我從新聞上得知第一個就是屬於鋼樑錯位的一個部分第二就是因為鋼樑錯位導致鐵軌有斷裂的情況那現在很多的這個不管是專家學者或者是我舉兩個\n217488\t244193\t這個圖片先給主委看一下,舉兩個最近新聞上有報的一個是這個臺北市土木基施工會這個莊理事長有提到說用這個施工的方式以及新北市捷運局的旅局長都有提到說用千斤頂的方式把這個東西給復位那可不可以請這個主委稍微跟我們分享一下就這個捷運在施工或是後續復原的方式這個千斤頂扮演什麼樣的一個角色\n245356\t261441\t我覺得要怎麼樣去復原回來,要看他造成的原因是怎麼樣,不是只有給他喬頓了就好,如果是他原來的設計或施工有需要去保證的部分,那個部分必須先解決。\n262581\t279095\t因為那個地方他是蠻高的一個狀況他必須要非常的注意安全的問題那麼趁著現在一個狀況發生一併檢討一下應該要從根本設計就要檢討施工檢討跟地震的發生是怎麼樣會這樣\n281056\t307661\t謝謝主委的分享那也感謝主委剛有提出來說工程會這邊也會到現場來協助我們這個捷運局的部分來處理那最後實際的關係要請主委協助因為我這邊也有跟捷運局這邊來做聯繫他說這次因為造成的損害導致這個損失的經費蠻大的將近到12億的經費那地方這邊是有想要我來協助說是不是可以請工程會的部分來協助補貼一些\n310241\t335450\t一面說讓這個東西修復可以快速一點或是說他們可能地方的經費會不足的有沒有,主委有沒有辦法稍微協助一下經費的補貼特別跟委員說明一下當然天然災害有天然災害的這一個我們的救助的一些包括地方的準備災害準備金不夠中央怎麼樣來協助這個也他的機制在但我剛剛講到如果檢討結果\n337031\t353487\t他如果是跟原設計跟施工那麼有需要檢討的地方可能會有合約責任的問題那如果這個部分就依照合約的規定去處理如果不是的話是天然災害當然就有災害整備金的處理的機制來協助\n354912\t374737\t好 謝謝主委再次感謝您就是我認為中央地方一起協力努力把這件事情處理好讓所有我們這個不管是綜合板橋有需要用到環障結線綜合段這些鄉親可以盡早回復這個回歸正常的生活那今天再次感謝主委很榮幸在這邊跟您請議謝謝好謝謝我們會來瞭解協助謝謝\n","txt":"主席好、各位官員、各位委員、大家早安。是不是有請我們工程會的主委。請吾主委。\n委員你好主委好今天本席非常榮幸有機會站在這邊來請教主委一些問題首先要給主委非常大的肯定因為主委過去在新北市也是過去臺北縣的時間擔任我們公務局的局長以及臺北縣的副縣長對於中和的這個過去水患的問題幫忙很大作為南山子分紅跟瓦窯溝分紅\n韓國瑜\n主委的部分那今天本席到這邊來特別是要來跟主委求援因為在0403大地震之後我們那個新北有一個非常重要的環狀線中和段現在在中和到板橋這一個區域現在是停時的一個部分那根據這個捷運局這邊的表達\n張智倫\n首先要謝謝張委員的支持跟指教,跟肯定,非常感謝。過去長期在臺北縣的服務,收到地方的支持,非常一併的感謝。\n有那樣的一個成果當然都是中央地方以及縣政府大家一起包括我們議員當時陳議員等等一起的努力的一個結果\n對於這個捷運的工程的狀況我們準備在7號我會請我們的副主委邀請專家學者到現場\n如果委員有空也歡迎一起來了解我們想去了解一下到底為什麼會發生這種狀況這裡面有兩個可能的因素一個雖然是都是地震造成但是呢那是不是已經達到這種設計的規模以上而損壞還是說他的設計施工有沒有哪裡的一個地方沒有注意到\n那麼這兩個狀況跟未來的修復會有不同的做法如果是說還沒有達到那麼而發生那應該要檢討怎麼樣來再導正補強也好不要讓它再發生\n真的不好意思非常感謝主委的分享那簡單跟主委報告一下他主要就是分成兩個比較重要的這個問題那我從新聞上得知第一個就是屬於鋼樑錯位的一個部分第二就是因為鋼樑錯位導致鐵軌有斷裂的情況那現在很多的這個不管是專家學者或者是我舉兩個\n這個圖片先給主委看一下,舉兩個最近新聞上有報的一個是這個臺北市土木基施工會這個莊理事長有提到說用這個施工的方式以及新北市捷運局的旅局長都有提到說用千斤頂的方式把這個東西給復位那可不可以請這個主委稍微跟我們分享一下就這個捷運在施工或是後續復原的方式這個千斤頂扮演什麼樣的一個角色\n我覺得要怎麼樣去復原回來,要看他造成的原因是怎麼樣,不是只有給他喬頓了就好,如果是他原來的設計或施工有需要去保證的部分,那個部分必須先解決。\n因為那個地方他是蠻高的一個狀況他必須要非常的注意安全的問題那麼趁著現在一個狀況發生一併檢討一下應該要從根本設計就要檢討施工檢討跟地震的發生是怎麼樣會這樣\n謝謝主委的分享那也感謝主委剛有提出來說工程會這邊也會到現場來協助我們這個捷運局的部分來處理那最後實際的關係要請主委協助因為我這邊也有跟捷運局這邊來做聯繫他說這次因為造成的損害導致這個損失的經費蠻大的將近到12億的經費那地方這邊是有想要我來協助說是不是可以請工程會的部分來協助補貼一些\n一面說讓這個東西修復可以快速一點或是說他們可能地方的經費會不足的有沒有,主委有沒有辦法稍微協助一下經費的補貼特別跟委員說明一下當然天然災害有天然災害的這一個我們的救助的一些包括地方的準備災害準備金不夠中央怎麼樣來協助這個也他的機制在但我剛剛講到如果檢討結果\n他如果是跟原設計跟施工那麼有需要檢討的地方可能會有合約責任的問題那如果這個部分就依照合約的規定去處理如果不是的話是天然災害當然就有災害整備金的處理的機制來協助\n好 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