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00:02:47,147\n學校政府責任家庭責任就沒辦法跟上這就是我們現在很多的問題產生的原因所以同時這件事情應該要雙兩步也就是說第三人生大學的一個很重要的意義就是這些人退休之後不是進養老院而是應該進大學我非常希望部長能夠做這樣的一個宣告\n\n9\n00:02:48,740 --> 00:03:15,792\n宣告這個本身做規劃還是一件事但是這個代表教育部的信念教育部的決心我們要往這個目標這個大家才會振奮起來大家就是要往那個方向部長可以這樣子嗎我應該說將一路雖然只有幾個月的時間為什麼從成立專責小組到我覺得不只是中正師應該是跨因為這裡頭未來高教跟技職一定要參與進來\n\n10\n00:03:17,993 --> 00:03:18,614\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席\n\n11\n00:03:33,426 --> 00:03:41,655\n在目前他不是退場學校喔他本身就有這樣的一個基礎下那能不能在原來只是樂齡大學那一種比較休閒型的這種課程設計進入到為你所說的啦一個壯世代也許更符應他們未來可以再做第三人生的階段的課程我想這個方向\n\n12\n00:03:53,587 --> 00:04:07,133\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n13\n00:04:16,758 --> 00:04:33,245\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席及文化委員會第2會期教育部列席及文化委員會第3會期教育部列席及文化委員會第4會期教育部列席及文化委員會第5會期教育部列席及文化委員會第6會期教育部列席及文化委員會第7會期教育部列席及文化委員會第8會期教育部列席及文化委員會第9會期教育部列席及文化委員會第10會期教育部列席及文化委員會第11會期教育部列席及文化委員會第12會期教育部列席及文化委員會第13會\n\n14\n00:04:43,430 --> 00:04:52,418\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n\n15\n00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:34,170\n就是也請教育部在這邊供需的那就是今天主要的討論是如何運用這些政策來鼓勵壯實來的積極參與那OK那有一些方法第一個現在其實都已經可以做了就是發放的終身學習卷來提高一些對於像台北市已經有在熱領的這些卷都有那像\n\n16\n00:05:36,171 --> 00:05:50,797\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n\n17\n00:05:54,918 --> 00:06:14,471\n教育部可以再增加特別是今天要編列預算終生教育師的預算實在太低了啦如果所有事情歸給他們我相信他們搞不出什麼名堂來啦是不是應該要擴大他們一個文章我有比較一個想法啦我也跟市長他們在談我就說從洛林大學\n\n18\n00:06:15,211 --> 00:06:34,462\n大跨一所到兩所,真正比較進入我們所思考的這一段。那這一段我覺得啦,如果已經被使用的可能性,反而應該是支持學校,一下子因為還沒夠普遍,你說去發卷,然後那個我們又沒辦法有那麼大的普遍供應,所以我反而會比較認為我們可以階段性的思考這個問題啦。\n\n19\n00:06:35,302 --> 00:06:55,399\n我已經了解我那個意思了好幾種方法那另外一個我現在講的是一個需求端對需求端的鼓勵發放卷那當然這供期端的這些這些大學端這些要把它建置好增加這個上課的意願另外一個現在我也在\n\n20\n00:06:56,299 --> 00:07:19,978\n提所得稅法17條扣除額,對於終身學習的這一部分,像美國可以有20%的扣抵,那韓國特別重視它無上限對於成人這種終身學習無上限的扣除,教育部可以往這方面做嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:21,761 --> 00:07:37,696\n委員如果涉及到這種稅責稅法可能比較沒有辦法單一由教育部現在這當然就是按照財政紀律法當中財政部要做這事情但是要有主管機關的部會來提出這個規劃\n\n22\n00:07:39,778 --> 00:07:44,603\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第11屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n\n23\n00:07:59,859 --> 00:08:11,604\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n24\n00:08:17,529 --> 00:08:33,379\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員\n\n25\n00:08:33,979 --> 00:08:48,117\n所以委員為什麼說上次你在提醒的時候他回去很快的就希望牽絆一位跨師署的召集的次長所以我今天提的主要就是這種中間學習卷的發放的規劃\n\n26\n00:08:49,798 --> 00:09:11,729\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n230\t852\t教育部長\n4449\t31395\t委員好是部長很高興這個又看到你那我今天標題就是希望這個啟動第三人生大學能否成為潘部長給世代的打理這打理就是在520之前就像這個舞台你要羨慕未來有更大的舞台等待著你但這件事情我也覺得\n33577\t48553\t非常高興的在這個兩個多月之間跟你的互動也得到你的承諾現在在推動第三人生大學的專程推動小組不曉得部長現在這一個\n50394\t75746\t會繼續下去嗎?我覺得很必要。那不是我個人。我想我要謝謝委員一直在利用這樣的機會來把這個事情給政府部門做參考。就教育部門,我覺得很必要。過往我們雖然有一些基礎,但是我覺得一定要再跨往前。所以當時我說除了推動小組,我發現李育謙理事長有跟我說,委員也建議,這個可能要跨單位。\n77487\t92334\t他們很快也就簽出這個章案小組要由一位次長來擔任召集人。現在是哪一位次長?目前督導終身司的是林明毅政次不過我覺得那個制度他是正式簽辦所以儘管未來這個我想制度我們可能都會離開這個工作崗位但是這個制度我們建立起來應該往下\n104680\t116930\t因為今天的主題在談偏鄉教育不過我們去想像在偏鄉裡面就兩種人一種是小孩嘛另外一種是什麼壯世代\n117984\t143713\t那如果我們只重視小孩的教育然後對這些壯世代不聞不問的話那他會產生什麼狀況就是世代的距離越來越遠對不對小孩子關心的有興趣理解的家裡的長輩都不了解所以就會造成代溝不溝通了所以我們如果真正然後這個孩子的教育就變成完全是\n144562\t167147\t學校政府責任家庭責任就沒辦法跟上這就是我們現在很多的問題產生的原因所以同時這件事情應該要雙兩步也就是說第三人生大學的一個很重要的意義就是這些人退休之後不是進養老院而是應該進大學我非常希望部長能夠做這樣的一個宣告\n168740\t195792\t宣告這個本身做規劃還是一件事但是這個代表教育部的信念教育部的決心我們要往這個目標這個大家才會振奮起來大家就是要往那個方向部長可以這樣子嗎我應該說將一路雖然只有幾個月的時間為什麼從成立專責小組到我覺得不只是中正師應該是跨因為這裡頭未來高教跟技職一定要參與進來\n197993\t198614\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席\n213426\t221655\t在目前他不是退場學校喔他本身就有這樣的一個基礎下那能不能在原來只是樂齡大學那一種比較休閒型的這種課程設計進入到為你所說的啦一個壯世代也許更符應他們未來可以再做第三人生的階段的課程我想這個方向\n233587\t247133\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n256758\t273245\t教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席及文化委員會第2會期教育部列席及文化委員會第3會期教育部列席及文化委員會第4會期教育部列席及文化委員會第5會期教育部列席及文化委員會第6會期教育部列席及文化委員會第7會期教育部列席及文化委員會第8會期教育部列席及文化委員會第9會期教育部列席及文化委員會第10會期教育部列席及文化委員會第11會期教育部列席及文化委員會第12會期教育部列席及文化委員會第13會\n283430\t292418\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n307270\t334170\t就是也請教育部在這邊供需的那就是今天主要的討論是如何運用這些政策來鼓勵壯實來的積極參與那OK那有一些方法第一個現在其實都已經可以做了就是發放的終身學習卷來提高一些對於像台北市已經有在熱領的這些卷都有那像\n336171\t350797\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n354918\t374471\t教育部可以再增加特別是今天要編列預算終生教育師的預算實在太低了啦如果所有事情歸給他們我相信他們搞不出什麼名堂來啦是不是應該要擴大他們一個文章我有比較一個想法啦我也跟市長他們在談我就說從洛林大學\n375211\t394462\t大跨一所到兩所,真正比較進入我們所思考的這一段。那這一段我覺得啦,如果已經被使用的可能性,反而應該是支持學校,一下子因為還沒夠普遍,你說去發卷,然後那個我們又沒辦法有那麼大的普遍供應,所以我反而會比較認為我們可以階段性的思考這個問題啦。\n395302\t415399\t我已經了解我那個意思了好幾種方法那另外一個我現在講的是一個需求端對需求端的鼓勵發放卷那當然這供期端的這些這些大學端這些要把它建置好增加這個上課的意願另外一個現在我也在\n416299\t439978\t提所得稅法17條扣除額,對於終身學習的這一部分,像美國可以有20%的扣抵,那韓國特別重視它無上限對於成人這種終身學習無上限的扣除,教育部可以往這方面做嗎?\n441761\t457696\t委員如果涉及到這種稅責稅法可能比較沒有辦法單一由教育部現在這當然就是按照財政紀律法當中財政部要做這事情但是要有主管機關的部會來提出這個規劃\n459778\t464603\t教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第11屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n479859\t491604\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n497529\t513379\t教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員\n513979\t528117\t所以委員為什麼說上次你在提醒的時候他回去很快的就希望牽絆一位跨師署的召集的次長所以我今天提的主要就是這種中間學習卷的發放的規劃\n529798\t551729\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員\n","txt":"教育部長\n委員好是部長很高興這個又看到你那我今天標題就是希望這個啟動第三人生大學能否成為潘部長給世代的打理這打理就是在520之前就像這個舞台你要羨慕未來有更大的舞台等待著你但這件事情我也覺得\n非常高興的在這個兩個多月之間跟你的互動也得到你的承諾現在在推動第三人生大學的專程推動小組不曉得部長現在這一個\n會繼續下去嗎?我覺得很必要。那不是我個人。我想我要謝謝委員一直在利用這樣的機會來把這個事情給政府部門做參考。就教育部門,我覺得很必要。過往我們雖然有一些基礎,但是我覺得一定要再跨往前。所以當時我說除了推動小組,我發現李育謙理事長有跟我說,委員也建議,這個可能要跨單位。\n他們很快也就簽出這個章案小組要由一位次長來擔任召集人。現在是哪一位次長?目前督導終身司的是林明毅政次不過我覺得那個制度他是正式簽辦所以儘管未來這個我想制度我們可能都會離開這個工作崗位但是這個制度我們建立起來應該往下\n因為今天的主題在談偏鄉教育不過我們去想像在偏鄉裡面就兩種人一種是小孩嘛另外一種是什麼壯世代\n那如果我們只重視小孩的教育然後對這些壯世代不聞不問的話那他會產生什麼狀況就是世代的距離越來越遠對不對小孩子關心的有興趣理解的家裡的長輩都不了解所以就會造成代溝不溝通了所以我們如果真正然後這個孩子的教育就變成完全是\n學校政府責任家庭責任就沒辦法跟上這就是我們現在很多的問題產生的原因所以同時這件事情應該要雙兩步也就是說第三人生大學的一個很重要的意義就是這些人退休之後不是進養老院而是應該進大學我非常希望部長能夠做這樣的一個宣告\n宣告這個本身做規劃還是一件事但是這個代表教育部的信念教育部的決心我們要往這個目標這個大家才會振奮起來大家就是要往那個方向部長可以這樣子嗎我應該說將一路雖然只有幾個月的時間為什麼從成立專責小組到我覺得不只是中正師應該是跨因為這裡頭未來高教跟技職一定要參與進來\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席\n在目前他不是退場學校喔他本身就有這樣的一個基礎下那能不能在原來只是樂齡大學那一種比較休閒型的這種課程設計進入到為你所說的啦一個壯世代也許更符應他們未來可以再做第三人生的階段的課程我想這個方向\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席及文化委員會第2會期教育部列席及文化委員會第3會期教育部列席及文化委員會第4會期教育部列席及文化委員會第5會期教育部列席及文化委員會第6會期教育部列席及文化委員會第7會期教育部列席及文化委員會第8會期教育部列席及文化委員會第9會期教育部列席及文化委員會第10會期教育部列席及文化委員會第11會期教育部列席及文化委員會第12會期教育部列席及文化委員會第13會\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n就是也請教育部在這邊供需的那就是今天主要的討論是如何運用這些政策來鼓勵壯實來的積極參與那OK那有一些方法第一個現在其實都已經可以做了就是發放的終身學習卷來提高一些對於像台北市已經有在熱領的這些卷都有那像\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n教育部可以再增加特別是今天要編列預算終生教育師的預算實在太低了啦如果所有事情歸給他們我相信他們搞不出什麼名堂來啦是不是應該要擴大他們一個文章我有比較一個想法啦我也跟市長他們在談我就說從洛林大學\n大跨一所到兩所,真正比較進入我們所思考的這一段。那這一段我覺得啦,如果已經被使用的可能性,反而應該是支持學校,一下子因為還沒夠普遍,你說去發卷,然後那個我們又沒辦法有那麼大的普遍供應,所以我反而會比較認為我們可以階段性的思考這個問題啦。\n我已經了解我那個意思了好幾種方法那另外一個我現在講的是一個需求端對需求端的鼓勵發放卷那當然這供期端的這些這些大學端這些要把它建置好增加這個上課的意願另外一個現在我也在\n提所得稅法17條扣除額,對於終身學習的這一部分,像美國可以有20%的扣抵,那韓國特別重視它無上限對於成人這種終身學習無上限的扣除,教育部可以往這方面做嗎?\n委員如果涉及到這種稅責稅法可能比較沒有辦法單一由教育部現在這當然就是按照財政紀律法當中財政部要做這事情但是要有主管機關的部會來提出這個規劃\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第11屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會第12屆全體委員會\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員會第12期教育部列席及文化委員\n所以委員為什麼說上次你在提醒的時候他回去很快的就希望牽絆一位跨師署的召集的次長所以我今天提的主要就是這種中間學習卷的發放的規劃\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員會第1會期教育及文化委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.230 --> 00:00.852\n教育部長\n\n00:04.449 --> 00:31.395\n委員好是部長很高興這個又看到你那我今天標題就是希望這個啟動第三人生大學能否成為潘部長給世代的打理這打理就是在520之前就像這個舞台你要羨慕未來有更大的舞台等待著你但這件事情我也覺得\n\n00:33.577 --> 00:48.553\n非常高興的在這個兩個多月之間跟你的互動也得到你的承諾現在在推動第三人生大學的專程推動小組不曉得部長現在這一個\n\n00:50.394 --> 01:15.746\n會繼續下去嗎?我覺得很必要。那不是我個人。我想我要謝謝委員一直在利用這樣的機會來把這個事情給政府部門做參考。就教育部門,我覺得很必要。過往我們雖然有一些基礎,但是我覺得一定要再跨往前。所以當時我說除了推動小組,我發現李育謙理事長有跟我說,委員也建議,這個可能要跨單位。\n\n01:17.487 --> 01:32.334\n他們很快也就簽出這個章案小組要由一位次長來擔任召集人。現在是哪一位次長?目前督導終身司的是林明毅政次不過我覺得那個制度他是正式簽辦所以儘管未來這個我想制度我們可能都會離開這個工作崗位但是這個制度我們建立起來應該往下\n\n01:44.680 --> 01:56.930\n因為今天的主題在談偏鄉教育不過我們去想像在偏鄉裡面就兩種人一種是小孩嘛另外一種是什麼壯世代\n\n01:57.984 --> 02:23.713\n那如果我們只重視小孩的教育然後對這些壯世代不聞不問的話那他會產生什麼狀況就是世代的距離越來越遠對不對小孩子關心的有興趣理解的家裡的長輩都不了解所以就會造成代溝不溝通了所以我們如果真正然後這個孩子的教育就變成完全是\n\n02:24.562 --> 02:47.147\n學校政府責任家庭責任就沒辦法跟上這就是我們現在很多的問題產生的原因所以同時這件事情應該要雙兩步也就是說第三人生大學的一個很重要的意義就是這些人退休之後不是進養老院而是應該進大學我非常希望部長能夠做這樣的一個宣告\n\n02:48.740 --> 03:15.792\n宣告這個本身做規劃還是一件事但是這個代表教育部的信念教育部的決心我們要往這個目標這個大家才會振奮起來大家就是要往那個方向部長可以這樣子嗎我應該說將一路雖然只有幾個月的時間為什麼從成立專責小組到我覺得不只是中正師應該是跨因為這裡頭未來高教跟技職一定要參與進來\n\n03:17.993 --> 03:18.614\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席\n\n03:33.426 --> 03:41.655\n在目前他不是退場學校喔他本身就有這樣的一個基礎下那能不能在原來只是樂齡大學那一種比較休閒型的這種課程設計進入到為你所說的啦一個壯世代也許更符應他們未來可以再做第三人生的階段的課程我想這個方向\n\n03:53.587 --> 04:07.133\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第13會期教育及文化委員會第14會\n\n04:16.758 --> 04:33.245\n教育部列席及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育部列席及文化委員會第2會期教育部列席及文化委員會第3會期教育部列席及文化委員會第4會期教育部列席及文化委員會第5會期教育部列席及文化委員會第6會期教育部列席及文化委員會第7會期教育部列席及文化委員會第8會期教育部列席及文化委員會第9會期教育部列席及文化委員會第10會期教育部列席及文化委員會第11會期教育部列席及文化委員會第12會期教育部列席及文化委員會第13會\n\n04:43.430 --> 04:52.418\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n\n05:07.270 --> 05:34.170\n就是也請教育部在這邊供需的那就是今天主要的討論是如何運用這些政策來鼓勵壯實來的積極參與那OK那有一些方法第一個現在其實都已經可以做了就是發放的終身學習卷來提高一些對於像台北市已經有在熱領的這些卷都有那像\n\n05:36.171 --> 05:50.797\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n\n05:54.918 --> 06:14.471\n教育部可以再增加特別是今天要編列預算終生教育師的預算實在太低了啦如果所有事情歸給他們我相信他們搞不出什麼名堂來啦是不是應該要擴大他們一個文章我有比較一個想法啦我也跟市長他們在談我就說從洛林大學\n\n06:15.211 --> 06:34.462\n大跨一所到兩所,真正比較進入我們所思考的這一段。那這一段我覺得啦,如果已經被使用的可能性,反而應該是支持學校,一下子因為還沒夠普遍,你說去發卷,然後那個我們又沒辦法有那麼大的普遍供應,所以我反而會比較認為我們可以階段性的思考這個問題啦。\n\n06:35.302 --> 06:55.399\n我已經了解我那個意思了好幾種方法那另外一個我現在講的是一個需求端對需求端的鼓勵發放卷那當然這供期端的這些這些大學端這些要把它建置好增加這個上課的意願另外一個現在我也在\n\n06:56.299 --> 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