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00:00:52,526\n沒有到10%,那你們掌握到的數字是多少?報告委員,我們113年死亡人數是300人,112年是300人,121年是320人,那今年還有一年,我們想113年,希望能夠再回來控制。\n\n4\n00:01:06,658 --> 00:01:31,574\nOK好那今年4月27號的時候勞動部的許部長他也特別提出2030年臺灣職災減半的推動政策那以2030年重大職災死亡人數減半為推動目標那今年也訂了就是很多委員都有提到嘛這個營造最弱打擊年喊出的目標那麼多會給人家善於口號及宣傳而已那署長這邊要做平反嗎\n\n5\n00:01:33,255 --> 00:01:55,967\n跟委員報告,一個機關、一個組織、一個政策要設定願景目標,要不然不聽命不愛的話,大家就不會集中活力來做這樣的進行。那我們2030年是配合國家的永續發展的階段目標,那我們勇敢訂的職災減辦、重要職災使用人士減辦,有很多人質疑我說我們只做口號,但是我們認為說政策支持我們後面的資源跟配套措施就會過來。\n\n6\n00:01:57,048 --> 00:01:57,068\n請回報。\n\n7\n00:02:23,485 --> 00:02:40,963\n昨天是五一勞動節,勞動部今年常喊安心職場還有安全勞動。至今安全工作環境是勞動朋友的期待還有願景。五一勞動節很多勞工朋友對政府喊的訴求,昨天也提出了很多訴求,那這邊我們治安署是不是要檢討?\n\n8\n00:02:42,865 --> 00:02:44,606\n則對勞工朋友作出回應．\n\n9\n00:02:58,257 --> 00:03:24,511\n受傷的勞工或是傷病的勞工我們可以整治跟重返職場的協助這個我們有在做比較好的展開了那整體預防的部分透過我們災保法的規定我們有20%的職災保險費率的挹注到我們預防和重建的工作我們也做這樣子的努力那另外就是有關整體上的安全部分我們也希望透過部會合作來展開因為只有勞動部來做其實不太可能包括工程的部分我們工程的主要大宗\n\n10\n00:03:42,153 --> 00:03:56,525\n做檢查之後讓我回報那要如何確保這個檢查機構他每一項的檢查項目都有落實呢?跟委員回報那我們的要求是檢察員檢查有缺失要做具體的回報檢查是好的也要回報\n\n11\n00:03:57,446 --> 00:04:19,334\n我們用照片或是後去後台的管控比如說這個檢查員到現場他如果只到一樓因為一樓檢查但是他有10層樓樓上要到10樓也做檢查這樣才知道他是檢查了有效性完整性那當然這樣子會增加我們檢查員比較大的工作負擔但是我們為了追求最弱的防災因為最弱部分要到最弱的現場檢查才是嘛比如說電梯間開口施工架\n\n12\n00:04:20,074 --> 00:04:20,915\n我們是監督檢查\n\n13\n00:04:39,438 --> 00:04:41,219\n我這邊要再請我們的主委我們的吳主委\n\n14\n00:05:10,489 --> 00:05:39,207\n委員你好主委好那工程會還有勞動部隊有書面報告都有提到那個公共工程重大職災死亡人數有逐年下降的趨勢那報告中也提到以零職災為目標那請看我們的簡報那近10年公共工程還有工作場所重大職災死亡人數的統計表那今年到4月14號統計是兩人那有沒有信心這個數字可以保持下去\n\n15\n00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:55,615\n我們還希望往臨邁進往臨邁進嗎?好那那個我們還有子安署我們國外國內外重大公安事故的訊息專區就只有4件重大事故那請問對重大事故的第一是?\n\n16\n00:05:57,105 --> 00:06:12,221\n報告委員這是我們治安署的網站重新調整我們希望把國外的重大事故跟國外的重大事故可以做正面的學習那其他的事故放在我們植栽地圖那個網站會有揭露但是這個是我們希望說從國外學習比如說我們最近在做一件\n\n17\n00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:28,331\n巴爾蒂摩港輪船把橋樑給撞倒了,使得是上面維修的老公有5個還6個老公死亡,像這種案子我們要做國內會來相互學習,所以謝謝委員提醒,有關這個網站的有效性跟豐富度我們會做做檢討,謝謝委員。\n\n18\n00:06:29,853 --> 00:06:44,769\n希望不要有迷思,就是死亡才算數。傷殘對勞工的家庭也是一個巨大的變故。請問我們主委還有署長,04、03正後有對於我們國家的公共工程做一個盤點跟檢查嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:49,147 --> 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