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00:02:13,506\n自於沿途的這部分,我們目前會有一個配套的機制。如果說這個學校的人力規模比較大,人力真的有困難,我們會以加制可以協助課後照顧的這個概念的方式來做。可以加制一個可以來協助課後照顧的人?會由原所提出這個需求。\n\n7\n00:02:16,667 --> 00:02:27,742\n原所提出需求,中央來支持。」對對對那這個加上這一名人力他的專業、他的能力這個有規範嗎?一定要規範嗎?那個會比,因為他就是客戶照顧的概念他的資格會放得較寬一些OK,但是他不是沒有規範啊\n\n8\n00:02:34,731 --> 00:02:39,752\n竟然有規範因為要照顧這些小朋友還是很專業可是他不是用教保人員的那個唯一的規範所以你會有一個補充人力的這樣子的一個輔助計畫因為在今年的暑假後啟動嘛我們開始試行後發現家長啊這個反應也很熱絡當然這個也減輕他很大的負擔以前照算一個月一個暑假大概要負擔一萬多現在把它降為兩千\n\n9\n00:03:04,438 --> 00:03:06,319\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4\n\n10\n00:03:29,054 --> 00:03:53,730\n那這個是要長治久安就是說制度性的一個規定那個教育部推的方案都不是一次啦很多地方政府會認為說教育部可能一開始補助的一年兩年沒有承諾長年那有的地方政府會有不同的解讀嘛所以呢為了要讓我們年輕家長安心那我們這個制度就是長長久久會推動下去中央也會支持要求地方政府來大家一起合作嘛那是一個制度不是一次性\n\n11\n00:03:55,312 --> 00:04:17,668\n接著因為公幼教保人員的人力的問題我就要問我們公幼的教保人員昨天我相信產業公會有提出現行公幼的教保人員很難修特修因為第一個我們師生比又要降低人力顯得不足又必須要關照很多很多的方方面面請問一下我們有配套嗎\n\n12\n00:04:19,350 --> 00:04:40,525\n雖然教育部的回答是推給勞動部要去做勞檢但是我覺得這不是只有勞動部勞檢的問題我們除了要去勞檢要去要求我們另外是不是教育部從正面的鼓勵也可以去支持如何讓我們這些公幼的這個人力的教保人員的特休的權益可以兼顧我應該這樣子說現在目前的配比\n\n13\n00:04:44,788 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對對對那這個加上這一名人力他的專業、他的能力這個有規範嗎?一定要規範嗎?那個會比,因為他就是客戶照顧的概念他的資格會放得較寬一些OK,但是他不是沒有規範啊\n154731\t159752\t竟然有規範 因為要照顧這些小朋友還是很專業可是他不是用教保人員的那個唯一的規範所以你會有一個補充人力的這樣子的一個輔助計畫因為在今年的暑假後啟動嘛我們開始試行後發現家長啊這個反應也很熱絡當然這個也減輕他很大的負擔以前照算一個月一個暑假大概要負擔一萬多現在把它降為兩千\n184438\t186319\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4\n209054\t233730\t那這個是要長治久安就是說制度性的一個規定那個教育部推的方案都不是一次啦很多地方政府會認為說教育部可能一開始補助的一年兩年沒有承諾長年那有的地方政府會有不同的解讀嘛所以呢為了要讓我們年輕家長安心那我們這個制度就是長長久久會推動下去中央也會支持要求地方政府來大家一起合作嘛那是一個制度不是一次性\n235312\t257668\t接著因為公幼教保人員的人力的問題我就要問我們公幼的教保人員昨天我相信產業公會有提出現行公幼的教保人員很難修特修因為第一個我們師生比又要降低人力顯得不足又必須要關照很多很多的方方面面請問一下我們有配套嗎\n259350\t280525\t雖然教育部的回答是推給勞動部要去做勞檢但是我覺得這不是只有勞動部勞檢的問題我們除了要去勞檢要去要求我們另外是不是教育部從正面的鼓勵也可以去支持如何讓我們這些公幼的這個人力的教保人員的特休的權益可以兼顧我應該這樣子說現在目前的配比\n284788\t290212\t自已說一個原方內老師的請休假等等的都一定會有人力調度的問題如果在人力調度不行但是他真的有加班比如額外服務的事實那應該來支持的是這種額外給老師的補貼因為這個制度大概要這樣設計這個才有辦法\n304861\t309302\t對阿所以我說教育部要跟勞動部一起來好好的來尋求一個很平的解方啦不是只有裁罰勞檢裁罰我覺得是教育部要正向的去支持如何去解決這個問題嘛才能夠確保教保人員的權利嘛您這個如果說現在目前有這種現況我們覺得應該彙整一下\n324366\t332712\t教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n","txt":"教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n需要精進的地方,所以我們也希望520新部長的時候應該您跟他要無縫的接軌,現在正在幫你交接嘛,對不對?是,那我想我們一向很關心的,就是剛剛除了非三非四的一些學校,國中小,但事實上現在年輕家長更重視的,更需要政府重視的什麼?幼教。\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第12條條文修正草案案。繼而提供公幼、寒暑假的延長照顧,達到百分之百的目標,雖然現在可能只有百分之八十八的員所有辦理,但是我們最重要的是月收費僅收2000塊,這對家長來講當然是\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會\n我跟委員報告那個當然原來會也是委員長期關注那個降低班級的升職比公共化優先嘛而且已經往上再進行因為這個確實會減輕教保同仁的負擔\n自於沿途的這部分,我們目前會有一個配套的機制。如果說這個學校的人力規模比較大,人力真的有困難,我們會以加制可以協助課後照顧的這個概念的方式來做。可以加制一個可以來協助課後照顧的人?會由原所提出這個需求。\n原所提出需求,中央來支持。」 對對對那這個加上這一名人力他的專業、他的能力這個有規範嗎?一定要規範嗎?那個會比,因為他就是客戶照顧的概念他的資格會放得較寬一些OK,但是他不是沒有規範啊\n竟然有規範 因為要照顧這些小朋友還是很專業可是他不是用教保人員的那個唯一的規範所以你會有一個補充人力的這樣子的一個輔助計畫因為在今年的暑假後啟動嘛我們開始試行後發現家長啊這個反應也很熱絡當然這個也減輕他很大的負擔以前照算一個月一個暑假大概要負擔一萬多現在把它降為兩千\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4\n那這個是要長治久安就是說制度性的一個規定那個教育部推的方案都不是一次啦很多地方政府會認為說教育部可能一開始補助的一年兩年沒有承諾長年那有的地方政府會有不同的解讀嘛所以呢為了要讓我們年輕家長安心那我們這個制度就是長長久久會推動下去中央也會支持要求地方政府來大家一起合作嘛那是一個制度不是一次性\n接著因為公幼教保人員的人力的問題我就要問我們公幼的教保人員昨天我相信產業公會有提出現行公幼的教保人員很難修特修因為第一個我們師生比又要降低人力顯得不足又必須要關照很多很多的方方面面請問一下我們有配套嗎\n雖然教育部的回答是推給勞動部要去做勞檢但是我覺得這不是只有勞動部勞檢的問題我們除了要去勞檢要去要求我們另外是不是教育部從正面的鼓勵也可以去支持如何讓我們這些公幼的這個人力的教保人員的特休的權益可以兼顧我應該這樣子說現在目前的配比\n自已說一個原方內老師的請休假等等的都一定會有人力調度的問題如果在人力調度不行但是他真的有加班比如額外服務的事實那應該來支持的是這種額外給老師的補貼因為這個制度大概要這樣設計這個才有辦法\n對阿所以我說教育部要跟勞動部一起來好好的來尋求一個很平的解方啦不是只有裁罰勞檢裁罰我覺得是教育部要正向的去支持如何去解決這個問題嘛才能夠確保教保人員的權利嘛您這個如果說現在目前有這種現況我們覺得應該彙整一下\n教育及文化委員會第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第5會期教育及文化委員會第6會期教育及文化委員會第7會期教育及文化委員會第8會期教育及文化委員會第9會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第10會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第11會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會期教育及文化委員會第12會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.762 --> 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