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03:37.438\n主席\n\n03:54.614 --> 04:15.506\n你幫自己設定的KPI,衛福部透過聯合分工檢驗體系實品檢驗件數,你從110年開始看,每年都有8700件,等於每個月至少725。現在前瞻5期會到明年的8月結束,至少8個月也要有超過5800件的KPI,為什麼你幫自己編的是4200件?\n\n04:20.009 --> 04:35.914\n那另外一個指標一般例行性食品檢驗件數每個月至少應該要5、6、6、6件啊可是你至少8個月也應該超過4萬5你也只給自己編了3萬件你不是已經覺得自己量能不足了嗎\n\n04:38.338 --> 05:07.361\n委員好,那這個部份我是不是可以請我們食藥署的同仁來回答,可以比較知道說這個部份的執行改觀。跟先生委員報告,事實上我們中央地方在執行這個食品檢驗的部份,每一年平均都會超過10萬件以上。所以這個是追加的?是。所以你追加為什麼你會覺得110年到現在你可以減少?因為我們最近反而食安是越來越嚴重。\n\n05:08.630 --> 05:35.625\n報告委員,事實上不是只有前瞻基礎建設計畫的經費有支應在我們的食安檢驗上面,事實上我們每年的公務預算以及我們其他的科技預算還有設發經費,我們都有相當的經費在撥用在這個相關中央跟地方的檢驗上。好,所以我們幫次長一起爭取,在第5期的時候可不可以再多放一些心力在我們的食安。好,謝謝。時間到了。好,謝謝大家。\n\n05:38.768 --> 05:51.101\n最後我也想跟次長一起跟我們主計長爭取這個癌症新藥基金是我們賴準總統很重要的一個政見因為現在癌症新藥納入健保起碼要兩年\n\n05:52.222 --> 06:17.503\n跟日本韓國比起來是天差地遠他們幾十天啊所以現在我們的癌症死亡率五年存活率是嚴重落後先進國家包括我們所有的鄰近國家因此我們希望可以編列一個癌症新藥基金也有朝野立委十幾位都已經提出了要來修正癌症防治法的第16條我也想在這邊問一下\n\n06:19.345 --> 06:23.625\n次長,是不是跟主計處會做一個可行性的評估報告?\n\n06:25.716 --> 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